tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10719637712625259792024-02-20T03:55:16.421-06:00 Blue Blurry LinesExamining the Mystery and Myths of Unidentified Flying Objects
© Curt CollinsCurt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.comBlogger189125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-7266288868967319162023-12-14T11:43:00.088-06:002023-12-28T15:14:39.144-06:00The Cash-Landrum UFO Encounter of 1980<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">This definitive unembellished overview of the saga of the witnesses in the Cash-Landrum UFO encounter was written by Curt Collins, and originally appeared in </span><i style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">American Myths, Legends, and Tall Tales: An Encyclopedia of American Folklore </i><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">(Vol I) edited by Christopher R. Fee and Jeffrey B. Webb, published by ABC-CLIO, 2016. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">It's a good introduction to the facts in the Cash-Landrum case for those who don't know the story — or for those who think they do.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnJ5ohzWLbU9ev3TAnMa8-qsk6LZ6TH9bDi-ezNQPeQlnxqwvRA94VcC2r9PqeQEObYR2NjdFqA2L_6-KTxp39ey4sPWr3-3Bt8DNsG5ux2YebWpQp3AStvAXOU-bzRi_EqqeLJPVxo9Ce_hXb9yLCVwhMjtrrkr40-6U4VcahMliAfhyYOOGye0rZvVzY/s825/The%20Cash-Landrum%20UFO%20Encounter%20of%201980.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnJ5ohzWLbU9ev3TAnMa8-qsk6LZ6TH9bDi-ezNQPeQlnxqwvRA94VcC2r9PqeQEObYR2NjdFqA2L_6-KTxp39ey4sPWr3-3Bt8DNsG5ux2YebWpQp3AStvAXOU-bzRi_EqqeLJPVxo9Ce_hXb9yLCVwhMjtrrkr40-6U4VcahMliAfhyYOOGye0rZvVzY/w640-h334/The%20Cash-Landrum%20UFO%20Encounter%20of%201980.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Art by Chris Lambright. See: <a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/04/the-cash-landrum-ufo-true-picture.html" style="color: #1e83ff; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; text-align: left; text-decoration-line: none;">The Cash-Landrum UFO: The True Picture</a></span></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">The 1980 Cash-Landrum UFO encounter near Huffman,
Texas, is one of the best-known, most thoroughly documented cases in UFO
history. The witnesses sought restitution in court for injuries caused by a
UFO, for which they held the U.S. government liable. However, once the legal
case failed, the story of the witnesses was absorbed into the body of UFO lore
and transformed into a parable about the evils of a coverup by the U.S.
government.</span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEglMM6-FHIwFv00IWCxSiAujW9Wv2Kg8MHNkZ3cL5E1TbILRMl5icXwXilNMoXTQAe5pFsp7X8pteZGv4gFyDM-yDGUxvtipyQK8hiJz7IVUQufpLBo3Ghtx61WaLY_pfM0KDHouZtmDRCf2CrwPfueH97ZAVO89xGjk10FHjt96yCSaOZAseIuKjzEnbok/s849/Cash-Landrum%20witnesses.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="593" data-original-width="849" height="280" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEglMM6-FHIwFv00IWCxSiAujW9Wv2Kg8MHNkZ3cL5E1TbILRMl5icXwXilNMoXTQAe5pFsp7X8pteZGv4gFyDM-yDGUxvtipyQK8hiJz7IVUQufpLBo3Ghtx61WaLY_pfM0KDHouZtmDRCf2CrwPfueH97ZAVO89xGjk10FHjt96yCSaOZAseIuKjzEnbok/w400-h280/Cash-Landrum%20witnesses.png" width="400" /></a></span></div><p><span style="font-size: medium;">It was in January 1981, during Betty Cash’s second
hospital stay for a mysterious illness, that the story of the UFO encounter
began to circulate. Weeks earlier on December 29, 1980, Betty (age fifty-two),
along with her friend Vickie Landrum (age fifty-seven) and Vickie’s grandson
Colby (age nearly seven), were driving back home to Dayton, Texas, after an
evening out. They were on FM 1485, a lonely country road, when they spotted a
bright object in the sky in the distance through the trees. Driving on they
rounded a curve and found a massive, brilliant flaming object hovering over the
road ahead of them. Betty stopped the car and got out to investigate, but
Vickie returned to the car to comfort her terrified grandson. Betty remained
outside for several minutes, trying to observe the object in detail, which they
later described as larger than a water tower tank, making loud beeps and a
mechanical whooshing sound it intermittently produced a brilliant flame-like
jet of light and heat as it hovered over the road above the treetops.</span></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In Betty Cash’s earliest recorded testimony from
February 1981, she said, “We could not get up close enough to detect what the
figure was. Or I couldn’t at least, the lights were too bright in my eyesight.”
She later added, “. . . this bright object that made the sky just split up and
it looked like the world was coming to an end. It was a very bright red. . . .
(Vickie) looked out the glass but she said the light was too bright for her to
see very much” (Schuessler 1998, 39, 253). <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXkS8fDvCODeWluo_5spcOOdXxkSOS4Ye_EI9KPK0GMTH0cqjvgklmyMOrYD6eUG1bYMuyLKGejqVqB5c66vDIg2luVKQvjUIQxnALsYmJEbABLqYkHcmgod6hsg4r1oA1aNTy9ICgkeje7WskLLTkTWcrIRj30bOP31mYK-Hex2BGzYhblCXJ_J6nykvE/s624/CL%20VL%20sketch%203%2081.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="624" data-original-width="462" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXkS8fDvCODeWluo_5spcOOdXxkSOS4Ye_EI9KPK0GMTH0cqjvgklmyMOrYD6eUG1bYMuyLKGejqVqB5c66vDIg2luVKQvjUIQxnALsYmJEbABLqYkHcmgod6hsg4r1oA1aNTy9ICgkeje7WskLLTkTWcrIRj30bOP31mYK-Hex2BGzYhblCXJ_J6nykvE/w296-h400/CL%20VL%20sketch%203%2081.jpg" width="296" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Sketch by Colby and Vickie Landrum, March 1981.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%;">Soon after Betty retreated to her car, the object
slowly rose and moved away. As it did so, they saw that it was accompanied or
pursued by a number of smaller aircraft. Once Betty’s eyes had adjusted, she
started the car, and they continued their journey home. They kept the car’s air
conditioner going, startled by the amount of heat the object overhead was
producing. Further along the road, they encountered the mysterious object
again, but this time they approached more cautiously and stopped a greater
distance away. They were able to see the pursuing aircraft more clearly. There
were more than twenty military helicopters, which they believed had been sent
on a mission to pursue the mysterious object. Once it passed again, they
continued their drive home, occasionally glimpsing the object and helicopters
in the distance. The experience had badly frightened them, and they decided to
tell no one of it: it was just too strange to be believed.</span></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">They continued to feel hot afterward and also began to
feel ill. Vickie and Colby reported having flu-like symptoms with burning eyes
and reddened skin over the next few days. Betty, who had been outside the car,
had even more severe problems. She too thought she had the flu but, as the
night went on, developed further symptoms: a severe headache, skin lesions,
swelling and blisters on the face and scalp. When Vickie discovered how sick
Betty was, she moved her into her home but saw no improvement. At this point,
they did not connect their ailments with the UFO, and Vickie suspected that
Betty was having complications connected with her prior heart surgery. Vickie
checked Betty into Parkway Hospital in Houston, but the doctors were perplexed
at Betty’s condition. The tests they ran failed to determine a cause for her
problems, so she was treated for her symptoms, and after she showed
improvement, they released her after about two weeks. </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgY9REMw9vUOTZqzo1spYAmhyAu3rHwiz31bpaUnSBKDmJ966VLEIDa_wDw2DvZmdvlb49diRqDXwOBJjrl66if7_RVjDg8ywKqqevj0mL2dkyzKeb9ypsk3b9SAWuMggynZ5Gq5gEZRjq-TxpirVoFzbKgFGNIQpu1iHBnGtgEgDDGeP6e4Kgvwr8fWJJm/s619/Bettybald.tiff" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="456" data-original-width="619" height="295" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgY9REMw9vUOTZqzo1spYAmhyAu3rHwiz31bpaUnSBKDmJ966VLEIDa_wDw2DvZmdvlb49diRqDXwOBJjrl66if7_RVjDg8ywKqqevj0mL2dkyzKeb9ypsk3b9SAWuMggynZ5Gq5gEZRjq-TxpirVoFzbKgFGNIQpu1iHBnGtgEgDDGeP6e4Kgvwr8fWJJm/w400-h295/Bettybald.tiff" width="400" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Betty Cash with hair loss after 2nd hospital stay.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%;">She continued to have
health problems, however, and returned to the hospital a few days later. The
tissue problems were mending, but the headaches, nausea, and diarrhea
persisted, and a new symptom was noted upon readmission: patches of hair loss.
This caused the doctors to consider the possibility of exposure to radiation,
but results were negative. It was early in Betty’s second hospital stay that
the story of the UFO encounter finally was told.</span></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Once the story was out, they were encouraged to report
it. Vickie made calls, desperately trying to get some help and get an answer
for what the object was, how it had injured them, and who was responsible for
it. The helicopters convinced them that it was some kind of military operation,
and that the U.S. government would have knowledge of the incident. The first
real response to their inquiries came from the tabloid press, giving their
story national exposure. About the same time, Betty contacted John F.
Schuessler, an engineer for McDonnell Douglas at NASA’s Johnson Space Center in
nearby Houston. He was also an investigator for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON),
and in that capacity he began an intensive investigation into the event as a
UFO case. The witnesses respected Schuessler’s authority and placed their trust
in him, sometimes quoting his analysis and speculation about the event rather
than their own memories. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXdmdiF58dkxyUA7cFonk86XCdZva62B3k3J8Ymi6rc8-9ZS4FxVUD8gfw0Uquabbv13H5ixqep37Q2L-YofarhhiGNm4UppOCk7el_eI3htegO8wuhunaboJkODyzeMKrt_xMRdZx9xIrRKw73AsFYuNIGG5PfkMJjpARsCs9CxtzfoJXpKPdEPY6QbPM/s670/John%20Schuessler%201988.PNG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="670" data-original-width="630" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXdmdiF58dkxyUA7cFonk86XCdZva62B3k3J8Ymi6rc8-9ZS4FxVUD8gfw0Uquabbv13H5ixqep37Q2L-YofarhhiGNm4UppOCk7el_eI3htegO8wuhunaboJkODyzeMKrt_xMRdZx9xIrRKw73AsFYuNIGG5PfkMJjpARsCs9CxtzfoJXpKPdEPY6QbPM/w376-h400/John%20Schuessler%201988.PNG" width="376" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">John Schuessler, 1988</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%;">Over the next several months the media attention
continued to build and formed a strange relationship with the case. The media
seemed to take the lead in the production of new information and developments.
Pleas in the news coverage for any additional witnesses to come forward yielded
a few results: respondents claimed to see either a UFO or some helicopters. The
story’s coverage by the television program That’s Incredible! generated
publicity that led to an investigation by the Department of the Army’s
inspector general as to whether U.S. Army helicopters were involved in the
incident. In the spring of 1982 Lt. Col. George C. Sarran spent several months
checking the possibilities and also traveled to Texas where he met with
Schuessler, examined the cold leads, and interviewed the available witnesses.
Sarran’s report stated that the witnesses were credible, but he found no
evidence to suggest any U.S. military involvement.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The witnesses still felt that the government was not
being fully open with them regarding their involvement, and they were convinced
that the UFO was a military project of some kind. Schuessler seemed to feel the
same way, but he thought that the unknown craft indicated extraterrestrial
involvement. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In the summer of 1981, the witnesses had written to
their congressmen, who replied urging them to travel to Bergstrom Air Force
Base to meet with base officials to file damage claim forms. They did so, but
it wasn’t until late 1982 that Peter Gersten, the flamboyant “UFO Lawyer,”
filed claims for a total of $20,000,000 on behalf of the witnesses. When the
claims were denied, they attempted to file a civil suit against the United
States government, a contentious process that went on for the next several
years. This course of action failed as well, as there was never enough evidence
to satisfy a court. In August 1986, much to the disappointment of the
witnesses, the case was dismissed without ever going to trial. Media coverage
of the case faded away until it was revived in a 1991 <i>Unsolved Mysteries</i>
episode. In the show, the story was simplified and compressed with rumors and
supposition mixed along with the facts. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgO0StHv139_793q6C6vmEmGy0EqMBPVK9-lCzJGM-TbmwJZc6BtbEzfRiG6p-E57C1_b8yXAyg6C3a6x6mAAPjdX0rurQHJDP4DEWoU-BRzi32X-V93_eNaY3KV9XcBknZmOb__UYARx3-94iLPRCSOe58asX_z_LDXw0Z0gVL4zOeEgIwnTUXgiV3PKjs/s825/Ring%20Montage.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgO0StHv139_793q6C6vmEmGy0EqMBPVK9-lCzJGM-TbmwJZc6BtbEzfRiG6p-E57C1_b8yXAyg6C3a6x6mAAPjdX0rurQHJDP4DEWoU-BRzi32X-V93_eNaY3KV9XcBknZmOb__UYARx3-94iLPRCSOe58asX_z_LDXw0Z0gVL4zOeEgIwnTUXgiV3PKjs/w640-h334/Ring%20Montage.png" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The Cash-Landrum UFO as depicted by ufologists and the media.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%;">Almost from the start, UFO believers and antigovernment
conspiracy theorists transformed the story into a fable, teaching precautionary
lessons about the dangers of military secrecy, nuclear energy, or of what
happens to those who challenge the government’s UFO cover-ups. Throughout this
transformation, the core of the story remained unchanged but details were
embellished. Some versions claimed that the roadway was secretly dug up and
replaced overnight at the scene of the incident, that the witnesses had been
threatened by the government, and that the investigator in the case had
described their indefinable brilliant object as a colossal diamond-shaped alien
spacecraft ringed with blue lights. In the 1980s UFO lore focused on darker
elements such as abductions, mutilations, and sinister treaties between aliens
and the U.S. government. In such an environment, the Cash-Landrum case was
often folded into that mix, which later became the source material for the
1990s <i>X-Files</i> television series. Beneath the legends there seems to be a
genuine event at the core of the Cash-Landrum sighting, but separating it from
the layers of myth that have become attached to it at an almost molecular level
seems to be impossible.</span></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The witnesses continued to fight for their story to be
heard, and the two ladies stuck to their claims until the end. Betty had poor
health the remainder of her life, which she attributed to the UFO. She died in
1998, but Vickie survived until 2007, dying at the age of 83. Today, only Colby
Landrum remains.</span></span><b style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></b></p>
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">. . .</span></span></b></p><p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></b></p><p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">For Further
Study</span></span></b></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><blockquote><li><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Times New Roman, Times, FreeSerif, serif; font-size: large;">"<a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/12/40-years-and-cash-landrum-ufo-case.html" target="_blank">40 years and the Cash-Landrum UFO Case</a>." </span><span style="background-color: white; font-size: large;">2020. Blue Blurry Lines website.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;">“</span><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/07/resource-guide-for-cash-landrum-ufo-case.html" style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;" target="_blank">The Cash-Landrum UFO Case Document Collection</a><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;">.” 2015.
Blue Blurry Lines website.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;">Posner, Gary P. "The Legendary Cash-Landrum Case: Radiation Sickness from a Close Encounter?" Chapter 12 of </span><i style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;"><a href="https://www.academia.edu/101922617/The_Reliability_of_UFO_Witness_Testimony" target="_blank">The Reliability of UFO Witness Testimony</a></i><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;"> edited by Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos and Richard W. Heiden. 2023. </span></li><li><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Schuessler, John F. 1998. <i>The Cash-Landrum UFO Incident</i>.
La Porte, TX: Geo Graphics.</span></span></li></blockquote></ul><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-52086240038102008312023-11-02T08:30:00.001-05:002023-11-02T08:30:00.141-05:00Analyzing a 2007 UFO Sighting in Mississippi<p><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgoiZFzMPbTz62NapEu_I22wqTPtvpg2ItRi4uwtxa07gHWjAmtINKMx22ljhV2RxE0FZJiJBzxz1zY8MplI8tnc_uviRyE9PWdacbHBhmJ5feABqIrSram_NN8kTsZu5hLSkksDYSaejC10LsgBM2C7vVkUkyblTC4GaXpzGZCk8BNqPmQ3Ig1ksTtHFfO/s825/UFO%20Sighting%20-2007,%20Near%20Carthage,%20MS.png" style="font-size: large; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgoiZFzMPbTz62NapEu_I22wqTPtvpg2ItRi4uwtxa07gHWjAmtINKMx22ljhV2RxE0FZJiJBzxz1zY8MplI8tnc_uviRyE9PWdacbHBhmJ5feABqIrSram_NN8kTsZu5hLSkksDYSaejC10LsgBM2C7vVkUkyblTC4GaXpzGZCk8BNqPmQ3Ig1ksTtHFfO/w640-h334/UFO%20Sighting%20-2007,%20Near%20Carthage,%20MS.png" width="640" /></a><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;">Through the years, I’ve had a few sightings of strange
looking things in the sky. The first time as a boy in mid-afternoon on a warm
day around 1968. I was excited to see a UFO, a brilliant cigar-shaped object
gliding across the sky. Before it left sight, the angle changed enough for the
sunlight to illuminate the wings and tailfin of the plane.</span></p>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfhn6kXJM7CQqEZzdz9DxM4BIWQuMbvrhZn8wK_sonrEuQ61DJquYMLvSrqlduZ_uBSld784sviDOOjleaWoRo9pp16d7-8mNkKw_mavp0UCPg5blNoWcH9IopGJZljT3cH1S1KDOwY9FdMj2UpeCnKmu_gVqpxbPd-dQuHFiyNYN2nGJnV6Vs6M_vnBpp/s815/IFO%20Circa%201968.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="687" data-original-width="815" height="460" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfhn6kXJM7CQqEZzdz9DxM4BIWQuMbvrhZn8wK_sonrEuQ61DJquYMLvSrqlduZ_uBSld784sviDOOjleaWoRo9pp16d7-8mNkKw_mavp0UCPg5blNoWcH9IopGJZljT3cH1S1KDOwY9FdMj2UpeCnKmu_gVqpxbPd-dQuHFiyNYN2nGJnV6Vs6M_vnBpp/w544-h460/IFO%20Circa%201968.png" width="544" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large; text-align: left;"> </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium; text-align: left;">Illustration: Simulated UFO, Flying Cigar from Gold Key comics, and Jet.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;">It was quite the letdown. There have been other
disappointments, yet there’s one sighting that puzzles me still.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;">UFO Sighting: 2007, Near Carthage, MS</span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<span style="font-size: medium;">Date: (Likely) Tuesday, Sept. 18, 2007, time, approximately 4:30 P.M, clear skies. Records show sunset was near & P.M., but my impression is daylight had just begun to fade.</span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>Location:</b> Highway 16 near the entrance to Highway 25, west
of Carthage, Mississippi.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<span style="font-size: medium;"><b>Sighting Details:</b> Heading home to Jackson from Carthage, MS, I saw unfamiliar objects in the sky to the west of me. The motion is what really caught my eye. Above the horizon in the distance, there were about eight bright objects, and their movement gave me the impression of a cluster of fireflies. I didn’t know the word “frisson” at the time but felt a sudden moment of emotional excitement. The UFOs were far away, and the luminous dots looked star-like and I couldn’t tell anything about their true size or their distance from me. <br /><br />They were in a loose elliptical-shaped grouping with movement by at least two of them seeming to be slowly “orbiting” counterclockwise along the curve. Some of the others were moving slightly in other directions, and some appeared to be hovering (but could have either been moving far more slowly – or towards/away from me). The apparent speed of the objects around the ellipse was no faster than the sweep of a second hand on a watch.</span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgXpTQRqswwDOYkblbqBHdKK7c2dnnHg6JiC0T3ko-C8OyvVaASzslho_jdqFG3HVvTqEyEo_nPjBaxJfjjoXWkVadSa47m_qOkNHQ8IgXKuZarrONachacxJPWaljRGRhvpb7wVFVbhyr_u-6ZXp2oHM6vmIE4cOmH9eRBbhbjckchAxbDAv-TBkMnyELX/s830/Carthage%20MS%20UFOs%20-%202007.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="513" data-original-width="830" height="396" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgXpTQRqswwDOYkblbqBHdKK7c2dnnHg6JiC0T3ko-C8OyvVaASzslho_jdqFG3HVvTqEyEo_nPjBaxJfjjoXWkVadSa47m_qOkNHQ8IgXKuZarrONachacxJPWaljRGRhvpb7wVFVbhyr_u-6ZXp2oHM6vmIE4cOmH9eRBbhbjckchAxbDAv-TBkMnyELX/w640-h396/Carthage%20MS%20UFOs%20-%202007.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: left;">Simulation based on impression and memory – <br />Actual objects were proportionally smaller and moving approximately within the dotted arc.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><span style="font-size: medium;">I watched them for several seconds, slowed down the car, on the verge of pulling over to take a picture with my cellphone. However, I was in a rush to get home before dinner, and I felt the lights would show up as tiny specks, if at all. </span><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhFPd5Y2ZIKmYGjB4R_HWGSWzJJdl8_KGD45V9WgUnt6FJ2w5gIoWQlQHAN8TjPGy4VFPn6tt5iWndwBCs8g_fnbxmJ03zFCdo1kyDvBli3DFOU7nOObfdIigyRfM9I9QKY4t7AF6CvJw-taF_A8QrVrPHBhlVNKQeEZs5LfQ7Datco2dBYOGGsAQLCUEym/s910/Carthage%20UFO%20Map.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="546" data-original-width="910" height="384" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhFPd5Y2ZIKmYGjB4R_HWGSWzJJdl8_KGD45V9WgUnt6FJ2w5gIoWQlQHAN8TjPGy4VFPn6tt5iWndwBCs8g_fnbxmJ03zFCdo1kyDvBli3DFOU7nOObfdIigyRfM9I9QKY4t7AF6CvJw-taF_A8QrVrPHBhlVNKQeEZs5LfQ7Datco2dBYOGGsAQLCUEym/w640-h384/Carthage%20UFO%20Map.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Red dots indicate portion of the trip that the UFOs were observed. (About 60 seconds.)</td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: large;">T</span><span style="font-size: medium;">he objects were in view until I lost sight of them when turning to the southwest on Highway 25, about 2500 feet from where I first spotted them. They’d been visible to me for about 60 seconds maximum. Although it didn’t look like anything I’d seen before, I shrugged and figured it was just planes circling for landing approach at either the Jackson or Meridian Airport and didn’t give it much more thought, and it didn’t occur to me at the time to report it to anyone.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />In 2011, my interest in UFOs was refreshed and I decided to investigate a bit. My guess about the airports was dead wrong. The UFOs were due west, Jackson was to the southeast, Meridian to the southwest of my vantage point. I did find that there are some small airfields to the west, and checking more recently it would seem unlikely that any of them were conducting an airshow on a weekday afternoon. <br /><br />What were they? Ufologists often groan at reports of LITS, Lights in The Sky at night, which could be anything - and probably nothing. These were seen during daylight, but still… The objects themselves may not have been producing light, merely catching the light from the afternoon sun. Contrails, clouds, even birds and planes can seem to glow from such lighting.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><br /></span>
</span><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">A Slightly Similar Sighting from 2014</span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;">After becoming interested in UFOs again in 2011, I’ve more actively watched the skies. In 2013 I moved to a house with a lakeside view of the sky, but it’s on the flight approach or planes coming from the east to the Jackson airport. That means I frequently see what looks like a planet or hovering distant light that eventually veers off to display navigation lights or flies over to be clearly revealed as a passenger jet. <br /><br /></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8pFoazXJo7t0bv2olsFfwvUYuPoMtj534I3ZAQ5bEffvV1PVYuVANWPGcs143vVNCQ_cKrnpavIWCoZQm5CS-aBS5FhV6HWptrGoA7_wXRQgx2JKWBfZd0vFvaWgHLN8e7gD4QMr4ak0QkLQaMvLOnetkGU8AxozQ04tOz4RZ7F1L67Fcsfy9hX0ns4UG/s456/2014%20Geese.jpg" style="font-size: medium; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="456" data-original-width="456" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8pFoazXJo7t0bv2olsFfwvUYuPoMtj534I3ZAQ5bEffvV1PVYuVANWPGcs143vVNCQ_cKrnpavIWCoZQm5CS-aBS5FhV6HWptrGoA7_wXRQgx2JKWBfZd0vFvaWgHLN8e7gD4QMr4ak0QkLQaMvLOnetkGU8AxozQ04tOz4RZ7F1L67Fcsfy9hX0ns4UG/w640-h640/2014%20Geese.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Actual sighting photo, 2014.</td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />One morning in mid Oct. 2014, I saw a flash of white dots high in the distance against a clear blue sky. I was able to take a few photos. They'd swarm, dim, and reappear. They moved towards me but never got close, but I could count 40 or more of them. I finally could see enough to understand, these were a flock of birds, probably the Canada geese common around here. They were flying in a circular orbit while slowly moving forward. When turning towards me, their undersides flashed white. I documented the sighting in an <a href="https://www.facebook.com/curt.collins579/posts/pfbid07tPziEBbqwEDzCFF8De1torohXEKko1mUs4A33r3H5nxrnYwR2kMgkgEL9CMRwXhl" target="_blank">Oct. 16, 2014 Facebook post</a>.</span><p></p>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdC7doTSaEimjShom3BuX8ES4ycnts9ItZvbZudLA9seCdLy66R6_LtFnmp3szngkGumpYfYJ5DYsFIkRexE-eoa4xr1rbb8iTieiHGIqCETxOCFDCzDNAC0ajY8AmtTAqu57_fxzbnu5SA2004Ou7u5QORRINVqVBazt-tlAg1M-6HsXpcYB6tEH5O9wP/s780/Gold%20Key%20-%20Birds%20-%20Lubbock%20Lights.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="712" data-original-width="780" height="383" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdC7doTSaEimjShom3BuX8ES4ycnts9ItZvbZudLA9seCdLy66R6_LtFnmp3szngkGumpYfYJ5DYsFIkRexE-eoa4xr1rbb8iTieiHGIqCETxOCFDCzDNAC0ajY8AmtTAqu57_fxzbnu5SA2004Ou7u5QORRINVqVBazt-tlAg1M-6HsXpcYB6tEH5O9wP/w420-h383/Gold%20Key%20-%20Birds%20-%20Lubbock%20Lights.jpg" width="420" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i style="text-align: start;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;">UFO Flying Saucers</span></i><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px; text-align: start;">, Gold Key comics, 1968, “The Lubbock Lights”</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />The objects I saw in 2007 didn’t move the same way, but it is a possibility they were birds, maybe a small flock of white egrets so far away that the motion of their wings was not visible. I’ve seen groups of them fly several times but never in a pattern like what I saw in 2007.<br /> <br /><br /><b>Comments from UFO Investigators </b><br /><br />More recently, I checked the databases of MUFON and NUFORC but here were no sightings that matched either the time or location of my 2007 sighting. Finding nothing, I asked two colleagues, both seasoned UFO investigators, for their opinions on my belated UFO report. From the USA, Ralph Howard, former MUFON State Director and Chief Investigator for Georgia, currently an associate with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU). From Canada, science writer <a href="https://ufocongress.com/chris-rutkowski/" target="_blank">Chris Rutkowski</a>, the author of 10 books on aerial phenomena and his country’s most prominent researcher of the topic.<br /><br /><b>Ralph Howard:</b><br /><div></div><blockquote><div>"Because of the number of years past, it would be doubtful that we could find an event... to suspect might be involved. And it's not just the years, but the exact date too. In more recent years in my investigations, if the [witness] is sure of the exact date, we can even get FlightAware data for the date & time, and place jets in the area and in the correct direction; or, they weren't there, also useful. Exact dates can allow us to rule out/ or keep in play/ known events.</div><div><br /></div><div>As for what it might have been...</div><div> <b>A)</b> we can always suspect Chinese (aka Sky) Lanterns, but... (in my experience) they are unlikely to <i>Not</i> move together, at least roughly together. The ones 'orbiting,' that's <i>Really</i> odd. I'm skeptical that lanterns could appear white or starlike, even at distance. Of all the reports of them in GA, and there were tons, <i>None</i> were white in color.</div><div><b> B</b>) Planes or drones... well, conceivably, but the steadiness of the "bright" appearance (i.e. not flashing or varying in brightness) is hard to square with either one, where all surfaces on them are *Not equally reflective. The direction of view (west) isn't really good for the light being reflected from the sun anyway: view direction needs to be more south, or north, of due west, substantially off (maybe 45 degrees) from due west. (Our GA group actually experimented with that.)</div><div> <b> C) </b>A self-illuminated object would suffice... stunt planes is an idea. These are small, and often have a single light on the nose. However, they just Do Not fly around in the motions described. They tend to fly in formation, with small (1- or 2-plane) break-offs of one or 2 to fly loops & stunts. Local press would've been on top of that, announcing an upcoming show. (As we had in Augusta GA, 2015.)</div><div> <b>D) </b>If we had a military ops area (MOA) over in that direction.</div><div><br /></div><div>Boiling everything down, I have a hard time explaining that one... [but] I wouldn't label it 'Unknown'."</div></blockquote><b>Chris Rutkowski:</b><br /><blockquote>“One possible explanation is Chinese lanterns, I suppose, since 8 is a common number for releases of this kind during commemorative events. While these are usually orange in colour, at a distance these could certainly be white or yellow (and the witness only notes they were ‘starlike’). <br /><br />The other problem is that this sighting was reported 16 years after it occurred, and delays of this long in reporting sometimes cause details to either be embellished or forgotten. (The exact date is also not known with precision.) It would be impossible to investigate this case to a definitive conclusion. <br /><br />There is enough information in the report that it should not be classified as ‘Insufficient Information,’ but labeling it as ‘Unknown’ is unwarranted. I would list it as ‘Possible Explanation’."</blockquote><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjG31tu6PjhDRM4_j0vgotAHlbkx7BmdpovIUWlORtse-WE5tZxHTd1eQzF6XDBgjYZxGr559Gg6AqWNMNQDf31ayyySkUUkYtJDKkIXfMcvcGObgEEDilUq0VzpEwV3ZRyegV-ltTK0zK0FOzM_5KOQr7xWE1lPN2TS5zp2BqaMj9mcC0w_LUJB8a5g_8E/s2016/Carthage%20UFO%202007.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1512" data-original-width="2016" height="366" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjG31tu6PjhDRM4_j0vgotAHlbkx7BmdpovIUWlORtse-WE5tZxHTd1eQzF6XDBgjYZxGr559Gg6AqWNMNQDf31ayyySkUUkYtJDKkIXfMcvcGObgEEDilUq0VzpEwV3ZRyegV-ltTK0zK0FOzM_5KOQr7xWE1lPN2TS5zp2BqaMj9mcC0w_LUJB8a5g_8E/w488-h366/Carthage%20UFO%202007.jpg" width="488" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">Initial sighting location as photographed Oct. 8, 2023.<br /><br /></span></td></tr></tbody></table></div>Today, I regret not taking the time in 2007 to drive at least a few miles closer to the UFOs. Maybe I’d have been closer to see what they were - or were not. As it was, I had a short look from a distance, in what skeptic Mick West calls the “Low Information Zone.” <br /><br />I’m in no way claiming the UFOs I saw were anything unearthly or even extraordinary, but the sighting remains unexplained. If anyone reading this happened to have seen the same thing or something similar, please let me know. I’m interested in hearing more, whether it leads to an explanation or not. <br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;">. . .</div></span></div>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-55235334482935100182023-10-27T11:00:00.014-05:002023-10-27T11:00:00.152-05:00The Cash-Jamaica UFO Incident<p><span style="font-size: medium;"> <a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgEp19-kSoF03Eqx8zqnPIfrrFPJ8Zi72fgWiRqCAPZ4enJ8ulCVO9OOXFoU59lnPfD91SR0E6V9CAPzDA1FjHIOIHG1zZkEpsMEFPEaSbsveGgmyBeL4nI2Fn9kRkXHTyPEigXHQdj7953ORSc60Q7fsI7BM-NK3GlsDf1D8cOPR-LK432uknTb9sqy-b5/s825/smHv7aZ8hhud.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgEp19-kSoF03Eqx8zqnPIfrrFPJ8Zi72fgWiRqCAPZ4enJ8ulCVO9OOXFoU59lnPfD91SR0E6V9CAPzDA1FjHIOIHG1zZkEpsMEFPEaSbsveGgmyBeL4nI2Fn9kRkXHTyPEigXHQdj7953ORSc60Q7fsI7BM-NK3GlsDf1D8cOPR-LK432uknTb9sqy-b5/w640-h334/smHv7aZ8hhud.jpg" width="640" /></a><br /><br /></span></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">The late musician Johnny Cash spent a lot of
time in Jamaica. In 1974 he bought the historic house Cinnamon Hill and owned
it the rest of his life</span><i style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">. </i></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0ACHvM4vzyRDsTxO6jbTeZr-DFAA4ECxCQ_0a0j5ROZYi-zA4rbnZwIvBzrYPGIhm_UMbLS1Ix5tf9BDcNBhTSm_bMulAtj_y9_myy09GENT8rDrvlzqrtTzBY1O4AXEBq5oBiuyrqnJbov57DATAqzD_lcL2W-ZFyNgWSoEfGEtZhBOMXKLszgSRwHuh/s825/Cinnamon%20Hill.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="335" data-original-width="825" height="260" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0ACHvM4vzyRDsTxO6jbTeZr-DFAA4ECxCQ_0a0j5ROZYi-zA4rbnZwIvBzrYPGIhm_UMbLS1Ix5tf9BDcNBhTSm_bMulAtj_y9_myy09GENT8rDrvlzqrtTzBY1O4AXEBq5oBiuyrqnJbov57DATAqzD_lcL2W-ZFyNgWSoEfGEtZhBOMXKLszgSRwHuh/w640-h260/Cinnamon%20Hill.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;">In the 2003 book, <i>Cash: The Autobiography</i>
by Johnny Cash (with Patrick Carr), he wrote about how Cinnamon Hill was
haunted: </p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">“T</span><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">here
are ghosts, I think. Many of the mysteries reported by guests and visitors to
our house, and many that we ourselves experience can be explained… But there
have been incidents that defy conventional wisdom. Mysterious figures have been
seen - a woman a young boy - at times by various people over the years.” He
went on to say,</span><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> “We've never had any
trouble with these souls. They mean us no harm, I believe, and we're certainly
not scared of them; they just don't produce that kind of emotion.”</span></span><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></span></blockquote><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;"></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Cash believed, but he had another paranormal
experience that didn’t make it into the book. Dick Kleiner, a syndicated gossip
columnist reported on Johnny Cash’s report of seeing an unidentified flying
object.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><b><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Johnny Cash sees UFO in Jamaica</span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><b><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></b></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6jrUlWwQJRv2oUiDiKwRNWs_cfmMESLkfb0i_BJsVW0GZisBkzjXLReTukutQYFK6zDIgUHgjDoazmornyAus-b2yjlyAkWZ6UWiKlzgJjwhKsH3lHGhSik-bcsd3O-7dbogtV_svblWYJ9uMi9a8R5XW4iusWNaXbCUP5ovHUMGW2RIrZZC4SUyaPsZ0/s300/Abilene%20Reporter-News,%20February%2017,%201981.jpg" style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="200" data-original-width="300" height="267" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6jrUlWwQJRv2oUiDiKwRNWs_cfmMESLkfb0i_BJsVW0GZisBkzjXLReTukutQYFK6zDIgUHgjDoazmornyAus-b2yjlyAkWZ6UWiKlzgJjwhKsH3lHGhSik-bcsd3O-7dbogtV_svblWYJ9uMi9a8R5XW4iusWNaXbCUP5ovHUMGW2RIrZZC4SUyaPsZ0/w400-h267/Abilene%20Reporter-News,%20February%2017,%201981.jpg" width="400" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium; text-align: left;"><i>Abilene Reporter-News</i>, February 17, 1981</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgReQUNSOEwiXUCkq-_MQXt0jfUDq01_cHd6p6Ma5PyufDhAWMX2nP8jVAdqjjVxvFqkIaPuArdXSIxcc_M4FsjP1Kx3URqi2OsQ-jRaHmtMAg24RlPLfYIemsuThrg6ckTd8bDYaEsiaUSuHHhoV2F5duO4rOIfxTmU-y57qZt9Y6KjSM5titbdfJNvtPJ/s681/1981%2002%2022%20Victoria%20Advocate%20Feb.%2022,%201981%20J.%20Cash%20-%20Dick%20Kleiner.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="681" data-original-width="351" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgReQUNSOEwiXUCkq-_MQXt0jfUDq01_cHd6p6Ma5PyufDhAWMX2nP8jVAdqjjVxvFqkIaPuArdXSIxcc_M4FsjP1Kx3URqi2OsQ-jRaHmtMAg24RlPLfYIemsuThrg6ckTd8bDYaEsiaUSuHHhoV2F5duO4rOIfxTmU-y57qZt9Y6KjSM5titbdfJNvtPJ/w330-h640/1981%2002%2022%20Victoria%20Advocate%20Feb.%2022,%201981%20J.%20Cash%20-%20Dick%20Kleiner.png" width="330" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Victoria Advocate</span></i><span style="color: #222222; text-align: left;">, February 22, 1981</span></span></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><blockquote><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Cash Tells Of UFO Encounter</span></b></div><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Hollywood - Add to your file of stars who have
seen UFOs the name of Johnny Cash. Here is his story: I was on the island of
Jamaica and there were a bunch of us outside, it was such a nice night.
Somebody said they saw a shooting star, so I was looking up at the sky. And I
saw this object whiz by. It made a strange noise - a noise I really can't
describe - and I think the shape was oval. And the color was new to me, purple
or rose, I'm just not sure. It was gone before I could even point it out to my
friends.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">I don't know what it was. All I know is that I
saw it, and it was unearthly."</span></span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p><span> </span></o:p></span><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">As sighting reports go, this lacks a lot of
important details. Just to be clear, Cash had missed the shooting star and
while looking for another one, he spotted this glowing object flying by at high
speed while making a peculiar sound.</span><b><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p><span> </span></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><b><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span>Coincidence, Synchronicity… or Fate?</span></span></b><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Consider the similarities between country
music’s man in black and a famous UFO witness from the 1980 Cash-Landrum
incident. The witnesses’ names are similar: Betty J. Cash, John R. Cash.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></o:p></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_o79pP0Z-FZPkxLelGCWd2SVBh-GctSxA_cGlX0synT2Nu8d8jKhcqe-J3tre3xyXQkjyyWNPOavD0vrnWeGO7kFv9c0DBYd11hHdA5TKSG4sz7g3uDSHTuuvCz4uWABafMVqPpUYfl6VsJj8GirWMtuKL2Hg7KC898kgdXyy5UR6odJkv88lcM62ZYyX/s705/Johnny%20Betty%20Cash.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="435" data-original-width="705" height="394" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_o79pP0Z-FZPkxLelGCWd2SVBh-GctSxA_cGlX0synT2Nu8d8jKhcqe-J3tre3xyXQkjyyWNPOavD0vrnWeGO7kFv9c0DBYd11hHdA5TKSG4sz7g3uDSHTuuvCz4uWABafMVqPpUYfl6VsJj8GirWMtuKL2Hg7KC898kgdXyy5UR6odJkv88lcM62ZYyX/w640-h394/Johnny%20Betty%20Cash.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Johnny Cash was born in Kingsland, Arkansas,
on February 26, 1932.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Betty J Cash was born in Birmingham, Alabama on
February 10, 1929. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;">Johnny Cash played country music on stage.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span>Betty Cash played country music on her car
radio.</span></span><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>Time and Location:</b><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;">The
story of Johnny Cash’s UFO sighting appeared in <i>Victoria Advocate</i> on
Feb. 22, 1981. The story of Betty</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"> Cash’s UFO sighting was
first told to John Schuessler </span><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;">on Feb. 22, 1981.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">When
the Cash-Landrum UFO flew away, it was headed towards the Gulf of Mexico. Johnny
Cash’s UFO was in Jamaica, by the Caribbean Sea, SE of the Gulf of Mexico.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The
date of Johnny Cash’s sighting was not stated, and it’s possible it had
happened late the year before. Is it possible it was on the same night as Betty
Cash’s UFO, the night of Dec. 29, 1980?</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgzS8F89sTviVZUFQI2pRwx6gc4PpvHeum5QFgDRihyphenhyphenwQGSh2KUBvfZLkqkKx5n9QmjnPV54yYZ_O6pcfZz5Z88CJqjYjEEpeRDTLkyQ_Qvp7hGyXZmuPJ-5OfyQ6PWkCkWcXpgvauK0R82dTH2SSFE06H5loUva1RJtWUVUej8uIojoGYZGRQk-ZuyXuQ4/s411/Ancient%20Aiens.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="291" data-original-width="411" height="284" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgzS8F89sTviVZUFQI2pRwx6gc4PpvHeum5QFgDRihyphenhyphenwQGSh2KUBvfZLkqkKx5n9QmjnPV54yYZ_O6pcfZz5Z88CJqjYjEEpeRDTLkyQ_Qvp7hGyXZmuPJ-5OfyQ6PWkCkWcXpgvauK0R82dTH2SSFE06H5loUva1RJtWUVUej8uIojoGYZGRQk-ZuyXuQ4/w400-h284/Ancient%20Aiens.jpg" width="400" /></span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">In honor of Halloween, here’s the closest
thing to a Johnny Cash UFO song, the man in black performing </span><i style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Ghost Riders in
the Sky</i><span style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> onstage in 1987.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjow-_Wf0WsVLeum0T4Er76t6I7I413jqLk0aLxLdqOv4KJW6g9juUiYRsL-zAtChTG6t4S41zoLwL8BOa6jnC6euQSK9NAByTiJbYDjQUG06LY28kE945Pn1xgh5qFxlaVxZm79QArfjItFUpu2HsV3dyfypDdJ7boD98xXGnsf6AR-OAoZj4KB6cGIa2e/s490/Johnny%20Cash%20-%20Ghost%20Riders%20in%20the%20Sky.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="490" data-original-width="490" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjow-_Wf0WsVLeum0T4Er76t6I7I413jqLk0aLxLdqOv4KJW6g9juUiYRsL-zAtChTG6t4S41zoLwL8BOa6jnC6euQSK9NAByTiJbYDjQUG06LY28kE945Pn1xgh5qFxlaVxZm79QArfjItFUpu2HsV3dyfypDdJ7boD98xXGnsf6AR-OAoZj4KB6cGIa2e/s320/Johnny%20Cash%20-%20Ghost%20Riders%20in%20the%20Sky.jpg" width="320" /></span></a></div><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><iframe allowfullscreen="" class="BLOG_video_class" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/JMll6TNnTs4" width="320" youtube-src-id="JMll6TNnTs4"></iframe></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In memory of Johnny Cash, </span><span style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: medium;">1932 – 2003.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><br /><p></p>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-49856172468457390052023-09-30T13:08:00.001-05:002023-09-30T16:46:09.683-05:00Ben Rich, Area 51, & Taking ET Home<p><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;">One of the enduring modern legends of ufology is that Lockheed developed advanced UFO-type technology, perhaps due to reverse-engineering extraterrestrial spacecraft.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;">This is a follow up article to <b><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2014/10/lockheed-area-51-interceptors-john-lear.html" target="_blank">Lockheed, the Area 51 Interceptors & John Lear</a></b></span></p><div><span><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg1CFObEDdKYpBdT1LhWWegNtIgTZ_yieTEquyvhmZK18CGPAzmOMrY3u4_DnrCY463UY44fM3boUA2t1BHAi18Fy-idXv20PngLToPbaRdQMbDjbbcRoT9PormEJlvGIJLytnry7n93dbf70Ic61jgrIQDcLSX_sR9gczA4llkPTSRCkJeGy3aTDnxKn1T/s825/Ben%20Rich%20ET.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg1CFObEDdKYpBdT1LhWWegNtIgTZ_yieTEquyvhmZK18CGPAzmOMrY3u4_DnrCY463UY44fM3boUA2t1BHAi18Fy-idXv20PngLToPbaRdQMbDjbbcRoT9PormEJlvGIJLytnry7n93dbf70Ic61jgrIQDcLSX_sR9gczA4llkPTSRCkJeGy3aTDnxKn1T/w640-h334/Ben%20Rich%20ET.png" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: left;">(Updated Sept. 20, 2023 with comment on Ben Rich from Steve Justice.)</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;">In his 1994 autobiography, </span><i>Skunk Works</i>, <span style="letter-spacing: 0px;">Ben Rich wrote that while Lockheed was developing the stealth plane: </span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"></span><i style="letter-spacing: 0px;"><b><blockquote>"Some of our senior engineers thought it might be easier to build a flying saucer. The problem was how to build one… We don't know how to do that. The Martians wouldn’t tell us.” </blockquote></b></i></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"></span><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;">Rich had a sense of humor, and he could engage in some boastful sensationalizing (BS for short) to improve a story.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><h4><span style="font-size: medium;">It came from Area 51</span></h4><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"></span>The myth of the Skunk Works super technology is closely tied to the lore of UFOs. The stories told by Paul Bennewitz were repeated by John Lear, who grafted Area 51 onto the narrative. Shortly afterwards, Bob Lazar surfaced to spotlight Area 51, which soon gave rise to stories of the legendary Aurora.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg06AH0szY4ONZtiJB2p01mdJl7YR5KsuwS-BwMcTtnFmwDgXcF4QWeLatgITt_RcgcoH4beNqVk44bAFUW2mcsvNqtlxkjbHIkcDW2CpnghDo40bxp9ezrJ2hVCZZ7V7u3HdA7cyWLQIPf/s1600/area51_1768301c-1.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" height="252" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg06AH0szY4ONZtiJB2p01mdJl7YR5KsuwS-BwMcTtnFmwDgXcF4QWeLatgITt_RcgcoH4beNqVk44bAFUW2mcsvNqtlxkjbHIkcDW2CpnghDo40bxp9ezrJ2hVCZZ7V7u3HdA7cyWLQIPf/w405-h252/area51_1768301c-1.jpg" width="405" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />The Area 51 "<a href="http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Interceptors_01.pdf" target="_blank">Interceptors</a>," Jim Goodall and John Andrews were involved in pursuing this, as well as Andrews' friend Lee Graham, who got tangled in the MJ-12 document circus. Andrews and Goodall tried to coax Stealth secrets and UFO stories out of Ben Rich, but he mostly responded in friendly deflecting replies. If Ben Rich ever made extravagant statements about Lockheed spacecraft, there's no indication that it was anything more than words.<br /><br /></span><h4><span style="font-size: medium;">Kooks and Charlatans</span></h4></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;">On the forum <a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread965970/pg1#pid16833827" target="_blank">Above Top Secret, ATSZOMBIE</a></span><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"><a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread965970/pg1#pid16833827" target="_blank"> </a></span><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"><a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread965970/pg1#pid16833827" target="_blank">asked</a> about the Skunk Works legends,</span></span></div><blockquote class="tr_bq"><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;">"Ben Rich, stated during a 1993, Alumni Speech at UCLA, </span></blockquote><blockquote class="tr_bq"><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;"><i>We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.</i></span></blockquote><blockquote class="tr_bq"><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;">A traceable context for the quote, if he actually did gave it?"</span></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: large; letter-spacing: 0px;">There were several floundering answers, but </span><span style="font-size: large;">using the screen name Shadowhawk, </span><span style="font-size: large; letter-spacing: 0px;">aviation historian </span><a href="http://www.dreamlandresort.com/team/peter.html" style="font-size: large; letter-spacing: 0px;" target="_blank">Peter Merlin</a><span style="font-size: large; letter-spacing: 0px;"> joined the conversation:</span> </p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody><tr><td><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhn9tNmrg7nwUGAPjDa25pHYNJk0zKLDlHP9aGfuo8gYEDFGTbyhdC-8xH5uELa1epRf9NmGdWSowznWdRqigriPPmcfXDdAfUryI4mfrLcA8hk51PZNIZuqNtDBScF8IFPQTT0OhTNV7gg/s1600/pmerlinnatm.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" height="503" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhn9tNmrg7nwUGAPjDa25pHYNJk0zKLDlHP9aGfuo8gYEDFGTbyhdC-8xH5uELa1epRf9NmGdWSowznWdRqigriPPmcfXDdAfUryI4mfrLcA8hk51PZNIZuqNtDBScF8IFPQTT0OhTNV7gg/w384-h503/pmerlinnatm.jpg" width="384" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption"><span style="font-size: medium;">Peter Merlin<br /><br /></span></td></tr></tbody></table><div><span style="font-size: medium;">Merlin replied:</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;"></span></div><blockquote><div><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;">Ben Rich is constantly misquoted as saying "We now have the technology to take E.T home." That is not what he said. </span></div><div style="min-height: 18px;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"></span><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;">At the end of his presentation he showed his final slide, a picture of a disk-shaped craft – the classic “flying saucer” – flying into a partly cloudy sky with a burst of sunlight in the background and he gave his standard tagline. It was a joke he had used in numerous presentations since 1983 when Steven Spielberg’s "E.T. the Extraterrestrial," a film about a young boy befriending a lost visitor from space and helping the alien get home, had become the highest-grossing film of all-time. Rich apparently decided to capitalize on this popularity. By the summer of 1983, he had added the flying saucer picture to the end of a set of between 12 and 25 slides that he showed with his lecture on the history of Lockheed's famed Skunk Works division. </span></div><div style="min-height: 18px;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"></span><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;">Rich had long used a standard script for his talks, tailoring the content as necessary to accommodate his audience. Since most Skunk Works current projects were classified, it didn’t matter whether he was addressing schoolchildren or professional aeronautical engineers; he always ended the same way. At a Defense Week symposium on future space systems in Washington, D.C., on September 20, 1983, he said, “Unfortunately, I cannot tell you what we have been doing for the last 10 years. It seems we score a breakthrough at the Skunk Works every decade, so if you invite me back in 10 years I’ll be able to tell you what we are doing [now]. I can tell you about a contract we recently received. The Skunk Works has been assigned the task of getting E.T. back home.” The audience laughed, as it was meant to do. </span></div><div style="min-height: 18px;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"></span><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;">If something is successful, it is worth repeating. Rich gave an identical speech at the U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis, Maryland, on September 6, 1984, and continued using his script during successive appearances. Sometimes he refined the details a bit. “I wish I could tell you what else we are doing in the Skunk Works,” he said, wrapping up a presentation for the Beverly Hills chapter of the National Society of Daughters of the American Revolution on May 23, 1990. “You’ll have to ask me back in a few years. I will conclude by telling you that last week we received a contract to take E.T. back home.” </span></div><div style="min-height: 18px;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"></span><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;">Three years later he was still using the same line and the same slide. “We did the F-104, C-130, U-2, SR-71, F-117 and many other programs that I can’t talk about,” he proclaimed during a 1993 speech at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, home of Air Force Materiel Command, the organization responsible for all flight-testing within the Air Force. “We are still working very hard, I just can’t tell you what we are doing.” As usual, he added his by now infamous punchline, “The Air Force has just given us a contract to take E.T. back home.” </span></div></blockquote><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiV67yqN91oJkZK0YfxzJLHGlobcaMpQr-t8EVOHt_fosXGtpJ3iuNbJkWnx5o9K-SRPGxcO2wRfJqajxWZDRuxzr7ImhWiV-ljFOs58ZeyA1WnTXfj7YSkhgD6IG1tCFcQhyfUwVDeCxjPni7giMaT2kaiYs7szpswcKR5Fnd-2SSFkUj0bbZoekq8hNmK/s720/ET%20Home.JPG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="493" data-original-width="720" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiV67yqN91oJkZK0YfxzJLHGlobcaMpQr-t8EVOHt_fosXGtpJ3iuNbJkWnx5o9K-SRPGxcO2wRfJqajxWZDRuxzr7ImhWiV-ljFOs58ZeyA1WnTXfj7YSkhgD6IG1tCFcQhyfUwVDeCxjPni7giMaT2kaiYs7szpswcKR5Fnd-2SSFkUj0bbZoekq8hNmK/w640-h438/ET%20Home.JPG" width="640" /></a></div><blockquote><div><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;">Within the UFO community, Rich’s words, and additional statements attributed to him without corroborative proof, have become gospel. He is named as having admitted that extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real and that the U.S. military has interstellar capabilities, and although nearly two full years passed between Rich’s UCLA speech and his death in 1995, some believers have touted his comments as a “deathbed confession.” It was nothing of the kind. </span></div><div style="min-height: 18px;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"></span><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;">Rich, a brilliant scientist, apparently believed in the existence of other intelligent life in the universe, though only as something distant and mysterious. In July 1986, after Testor Corporation model-kit designer John Andrews wrote asking what he thought about the possible existence of either manmade or extraterrestrial UFOs, Rich responded, “I’m a believer in both categories. I feel everything is possible.” He cautioned, however, that, “In both categories, there are a lot of kooks and charlatans – be cautious.” </span></div></blockquote><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><img border="0" height="279" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhATCH21Bu49_LPhwsUk0_WB857pkxvpo473Bk7cZ4dDUTHAaI13FTuH2mgjkxrNT0KyH4XEaacG7bNO5srIWFqys5QHMaFAYlyCep6RAvgJw0vpVYbSCl_O4rOxUrtdU-3_u79nnYVJU11/w528-h279/Screen+Shot+2014-10-14+at+3.29.04+AM.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" width="528" /></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Slide 13</td></tr></tbody></table><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhATCH21Bu49_LPhwsUk0_WB857pkxvpo473Bk7cZ4dDUTHAaI13FTuH2mgjkxrNT0KyH4XEaacG7bNO5srIWFqys5QHMaFAYlyCep6RAvgJw0vpVYbSCl_O4rOxUrtdU-3_u79nnYVJU11/s1600/Screen+Shot+2014-10-14+at+3.29.04+AM.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></a></div><div></div><div style="min-height: 18px;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"></span><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;"><b>Merlin went on to say in another comment:</b></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;"><blockquote>The main point of my earlier posts was simply that Ben Rich did not say what some people claim he said. Most of his so-called quotes are not traceable back to a reliable source. The Keller/Harzan accounts of his 1993 UCLA speech are based solely on memory and were only reported years after the event. The overall description of Rich's presentation matches (for the most part) his standard script, though I'm not sure that I believe he ended that talk with a discussion of the F-117A. By 1993, he was ending with the YF-22 winning the Advanced Tactical Fighter fly-off competition, something the Skunk Works was justifiably proud of at the time. Perhaps he mentioned it earlier in his UCLA speech, or maybe Keller and Harzan simply forgot. It is not really important. I won't hold it against Keller and Harzan that they describe his UFO slide as a black disk flying into space, rather than as a metallic flying saucer in a cloudy sky with a sunburst. Their description is not bad for being based on memory, and I was just looking at a photocopy of the original slide last week. Quoting Rich as saying, "We have the technology to take E.T. home" is a close but memory-distorted version of what he actually said, as evidenced by his presentation scripts, which he followed closely. </blockquote></span></div><div style="min-height: 18px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Peter Merlin later greatly expanded the material, providing documentation in an excellent article for <a href="http://www.astronomyufo.com/UFO/SUNlite5_6.pdf" target="_blank">Tim Printy's SUNlite</a>,</span></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody><tr><td><span style="font-size: medium; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><a href="http://www.astronomyufo.com/UFO/SUNlite5_6.pdf" target="_blank"><img border="0" height="333" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixqeB3MqwpWbpkQ6FEs84XXP2xEMyeBVfhdY_iLN7ZkuRrTa-59EWV9DT695r15FXYRoUAm7PBCrg-ScxN9FL-6oPt9VndqPZdhGebbC6uFXV1OSewQ8kkJnXSfcNr3st1ssX1PVMp3qAn/w640-h333/Screen+Shot+2014-10-14+at+7.04.25+AM.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption"><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px; text-align: start;">"<b style="text-align: center;">Taking ET Home: Birth of a Modern Myth</b><span style="text-align: center;">." See pages 17-19</span> <a href="http://www.astronomyufo.com/UFO/SUNlite5_6.pdf" target="_blank">SUNlite5_6.pdf</a></span></td></tr></tbody></table><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium; letter-spacing: 0px;"> </span></div><div><p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Steve Justice on the Ben Rich and the Lockheed UFO Legends<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: large;">In 2020, more evidence surfaced, testimony from one of Ben Rich's Skunk Works colleagues. </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;">Steve Justice, as described in his bio at <a href="https://investors.virgingalactic.com/governance/board-of-directors/person-details/default.aspx?ItemId=d36ddc89-1ccb-4232-b2dc-1a536f982dab" target="_blank">VirginGalactic</a>:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“A 39-year veteran of Lockheed Martin and a ‘legend’ in its Skunk Works division - he brings incredibly deep leadership and engineering experience. During his career, he led numerous technology breakthrough programs and served on the teams that developed the F-117A Nighthawk, the world’s first stealth attack aircraft, the YF-22A prototype for the F-22A stealth fighter, and the JASSM stealth missile. He also served as deputy program manager for Lockheed Martin's Blackswift, an innovative reusable hypersonic testbed for high speed, high-altitude aircraft technologies.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">While Steve Justice was part of Tom DeLonge’s To the Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences (TTSA), he was interviewed by Luis Elizondo in July of 2020 for the company’s podcast. Near the end, questions were read from social media submissions, and one asked about Ben Rich and claims of Lockheed having advanced UFO-level technology.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;"></span></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhYzFwDsGYibl0PFmXX0xi5E32XfbBrAN5nq5W6rU47KxQntlmICfSpFbHaoGWGlUBv3NxuR0GnUto-LAhrF-18C4dMEDgHSU9AGSY-ABBwDQIt3T4y4bCaLP-ZPxHDGdtaXhsOHHJZNyhCaIZ5sWsUV8LRM5eWnrdpNaMdq3vk1nJAvyhINLxeGz8VtBhl/s825/Steve%20Justice%20-%20Ben%20Rich.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="463" data-original-width="825" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhYzFwDsGYibl0PFmXX0xi5E32XfbBrAN5nq5W6rU47KxQntlmICfSpFbHaoGWGlUBv3NxuR0GnUto-LAhrF-18C4dMEDgHSU9AGSY-ABBwDQIt3T4y4bCaLP-ZPxHDGdtaXhsOHHJZNyhCaIZ5sWsUV8LRM5eWnrdpNaMdq3vk1nJAvyhINLxeGz8VtBhl/w640-h360/Steve%20Justice%20-%20Ben%20Rich.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></div><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;"><b>TTSA Talks Ep. 6: Steve Justice Talks About His Journey From Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works to TTSA</b> (7/30/2020) </span><a href="https://youtu.be/tlyz0-_XgoA?feature=shared&t=3079" style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" target="_blank">YouTube clip starting with Ben Rich question. </a></span></p><blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;">Luis Elizondo:</span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;"> John asks, “All right, Steve please comment on this, according to Ben Rich CEO of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works in 1993 he said, “We now have the technology to take E.T home.” The question that John has is, “Is he nuts or what?”<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;">Steve Justice:</span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;"> I'll - I'm gonna say you know, I've seen this quote and I've seen it just propagate like crazy especially through the social media world and that kind of stuff, and I've heard it attributed to a number of things too, private conversations, but in <i>speeches </i>is where one of the common threads is. And as the historian for the Skunk Works yeah this this was a question I had too, and I actually worked with Ben um and sat in his office and talked with him about all kinds of subjects including this, and he never said that to me okay. But one of the really interesting things, Ben wrote down all of his speeches they were all written out including the listing of the slides out there, so what is in the social media world is that we say we have this ability to take ET home and he shows a slide of a flying saucer up there.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">So I remember looking through Ben's speeches and I remember this just as clearly as can be, and because there's a slide that's called out for this little paragraph is ‘Skunk in the clouds’ so that was one of the slides we would put up as a thing of, ‘hey we're working on pretty cool stuff out there, you know, wait a decade or two and you might see it.’ But it was to indicate that the Skunk had a future out there but we couldn't discuss it. So the Skunk in the clouds was the identified slide and I used it many times when I was giving speeches to civic groups or schools or whatever. But his actual words in the speech were, I'm going to try to remember this as clearly as I possibly can was like, “You may be wondering what we're working on in the Skunk Works now and we can't talk about it but I want you to know we've just been awarded a contract to build this (with the Skunk in the clouds [slide]) to fly E.T back home.”<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Okay, that's what I have written down that he said. And so you know, things change over time and that kind of stuff, and there's perceptions and distortions. I can't like to say I can't speak for any private conversations Ben had. I can speak to the private conversation he had with me... [Interrupted by question]<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;">Luis Elizondo:</span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;"> Well let me ask you this Steve, On that, I mean, if someone has a technology to send the Mars rover to go, let's say on to Mars, or an asteroid, or another planet and collect soil samples and bring it back home and there happens to potentially be microbial life or some sort of alien life form, is that really that far-fetched? NASA actually has plans to do just that don't they, to actually take soil samples and bring them back here to our planet and look at these samples?<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;">Steve Justice:</span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;"> They do, but the context that I knowing Ben, he was the joke master. I mean just loved humor and he loved messing with people, and so to me this statement particularly when he's frustrated that he can't get credit for what you know the Skunk Work was doing to help Lockheed shareholders you know, and Lockheed investors, and quite honestly in a lot of cases, executive leadership know what was going on, it was a frustration point for him, so he would put big fluffy statements out there that sounded <u>so</u> off the wall they were…<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;">Luis Elizondo:</span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;"> So just provocative statements…<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;">Steve Justice:</span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;"> …just provocative as could be. I remember when the F-117 Stealth Fighter was black, he made statements like you know, “We have stuff going on in the desert that's just decades ahead of your imagination.” And he was specifically talking about the Stealth Fighter but people attribute that to whatever they want it to be. But he was so incredibly frustrated that he couldn't get credit for this incredible breakthrough of stealth technology, so it manifested itself in multiple ways. So I attribute it more to that, but that's the real life quote of Ben, let’s say, he may have said the other, but he didn't do it to me, and it was in <i>none</i> of the transcripts of his speeches.</span></span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><div style="text-align: center;"><b>. . .</b></div><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 19.26px;"></span></span><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjr7WQKXwF6gAUGSLHDE7i7JEUAkMtKCbAptBvXHmvTX9Th3q6j9EJ6ghRULLlT1jrBbXkPceaaUxD8Mw9xxkUH3Vp0zKgYq3843WOxsBkFNSGIqcbVOwXcFDVD6g-diZygyJuGrFzF1eSZdqZOY5wsy8jaTkgZ7Xw7UIP-lEHwM4kA7mqxk7F4Os-6xkiM/s908/Skunk%20Worls.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="908" data-original-width="671" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjr7WQKXwF6gAUGSLHDE7i7JEUAkMtKCbAptBvXHmvTX9Th3q6j9EJ6ghRULLlT1jrBbXkPceaaUxD8Mw9xxkUH3Vp0zKgYq3843WOxsBkFNSGIqcbVOwXcFDVD6g-diZygyJuGrFzF1eSZdqZOY5wsy8jaTkgZ7Xw7UIP-lEHwM4kA7mqxk7F4Os-6xkiM/w472-h640/Skunk%20Worls.jpg" width="472" /></a></div><br /></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;">Closing words from Ben Rich from <i>Skunk Works</i>:</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><blockquote>"The Skunk Works has always been perched at the cutting edge. More than half a dozen times over the past fifty years of cold war we have managed to create breakthroughs in military aircraft or weapons systems that tipped the strategic balance of power for a decade or longer, because our adversaries could not duplicate or counter what we had created. That must continue to be our role into the next century, if we are to preserve what we have accomplished and be prepared for the hazards as well as the opportunities for the uncharted, risky future"</blockquote><br /><br /></span></div></div>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-65951021824356752922023-05-17T14:20:00.005-05:002023-05-21T16:32:49.485-05:00An Impressive New Book on UFO Witness Testimony<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjeJUehgoLvCiMjqtJ2UgB51-SlxZ-idwujJwjvzX1X8H5fhuZelS_ls6l2gXgdZx1StccjdpcGO67U63tOOn9vMks6aPAac-QxR_V71xWt7WyeykQdeb1nHebwEVo65W4uCGW4YMBddT4zrOQn6ixyHh2s0UbxNKHA_-1XDuUMXvOAznCXOXvLvxEchg/s825/Witness%20Testimony.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjeJUehgoLvCiMjqtJ2UgB51-SlxZ-idwujJwjvzX1X8H5fhuZelS_ls6l2gXgdZx1StccjdpcGO67U63tOOn9vMks6aPAac-QxR_V71xWt7WyeykQdeb1nHebwEVo65W4uCGW4YMBddT4zrOQn6ixyHh2s0UbxNKHA_-1XDuUMXvOAznCXOXvLvxEchg/w640-h334/Witness%20Testimony.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><i>The Reliability of UFO Witness Testimony </i><span>is a new book edited by Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos and Richard W. Heiden, "the first major book to comprehensively focus on the discussion and current views on problems and challenges posed by the reliability of UFO testimonies."</span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="749" data-original-width="1225" height="392" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhK_t9HklxiuJuX5xb19RewoDp-N-6jSvivISvA4Xc6XY8AkFxjRZkjNG6WXaZoZZFaNAo4gUAE0BkyxHT2YX9y9RnvQu2y96JajNXPE8JQBX0DwUe_lRtbtO-UJ0bAs4OBnn1GNHxPb3U9MKSafkRvy6465bGHWyQo21DIVCRZPYuAwvCyrjk2MHsxNg/w640-h392/content.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" width="640" /></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #313338; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large; text-align: left;">A portion of table of contents.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhK_t9HklxiuJuX5xb19RewoDp-N-6jSvivISvA4Xc6XY8AkFxjRZkjNG6WXaZoZZFaNAo4gUAE0BkyxHT2YX9y9RnvQu2y96JajNXPE8JQBX0DwUe_lRtbtO-UJ0bAs4OBnn1GNHxPb3U9MKSafkRvy6465bGHWyQo21DIVCRZPYuAwvCyrjk2MHsxNg/s1225/content.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></a></div><p><span style="font-size: medium;">"This is a cross-disciplinary compendium of papers by 60 authors from 14 different countries. They are specialists in social, physical, and biological sciences, including psychology (predominantly) as well as psychiatry, sociology, anthropology, history, philosophy, folklore, religion, journalism, engineering, computing, medicine, education, analysts with experience in the critical study of UFO perceivers, and other professionals. This volume shares thematically convergent ideas about the plausibility of alternate explanations for an alleged close-range UFO phenomenon. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">The 57 chapters in this book are divided into seven section headings: Case Studies, Psychological Perspectives, On Witness Testimony, Empirical Research, Anthropological Approach, Metrics and Scaling, and Epistemological Issues. " </span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgzfARxv4vxSFUP_W_YBOwuo9ouNuBWIgKmS9E8qeheV3BE2lPcmBC93LQC6IHjVRQtYnbQuEtwP9lMQ9Vrn_QASqzjh7uYssS3HgQKNzs2CwFR6sDvDH7jE1Phvd3uN1a97ufJCy3meavk/s606/eb32YnwiU3ew.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="546" data-original-width="606" height="408" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgzfARxv4vxSFUP_W_YBOwuo9ouNuBWIgKmS9E8qeheV3BE2lPcmBC93LQC6IHjVRQtYnbQuEtwP9lMQ9Vrn_QASqzjh7uYssS3HgQKNzs2CwFR6sDvDH7jE1Phvd3uN1a97ufJCy3meavk/w454-h408/eb32YnwiU3ew.jpg" width="454" /></span></a></div><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #313338; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;">Of particular interest to readers here: </span><span style="color: #313338; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Chapter 12 </span><span style="color: #313338; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">by Dr. Gary P. Posner, "</span><span style="color: #313338; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">The
Legendary Cash-Landrum Case: Radiation Sickness from a Close Encounter?" Dr. Posner became interested in the medical aspects of the Cash-Landrum case in late 1981 and <a href="https://gpposner.com/Cash-Landrum.html" target="_blank">conducted his own research</a> from a skeptical point of view. His 14-page examination focuses on the case from the book's perspective, witness reliability.</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #313338; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhHPkq2Ne1bEURgQoE6HBgOn_qS_FIqPiKWOk0cwroUN38OyZXi7IxgAl88XRuBroreNKiD6rb2_d_q78bcfo4ePYy_j1zPJejrXp-dNvlLoMHJ2oIWaTusJ8Z7IdwDiB1pOV23LsRD-nFnNvjCruw98pYkXjU5NSBm5jh-SkdbUyw6KKi3_vf8PWAfhA/s825/Posner%20pages.png" style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhHPkq2Ne1bEURgQoE6HBgOn_qS_FIqPiKWOk0cwroUN38OyZXi7IxgAl88XRuBroreNKiD6rb2_d_q78bcfo4ePYy_j1zPJejrXp-dNvlLoMHJ2oIWaTusJ8Z7IdwDiB1pOV23LsRD-nFnNvjCruw98pYkXjU5NSBm5jh-SkdbUyw6KKi3_vf8PWAfhA/w640-h334/Posner%20pages.png" width="640" /></span></a></span></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #313338; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">This 711-page book has been released online in the Academia.edu portal, from where it can be downloaded for free as a PDF: </span><a href="https://www.academia.edu/101922617/The_Reliability_of_UFO_Witness_Testimony" style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" target="_blank">The Reliability of UFO Witness Testimony</a></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhb1joESQYOxTho9zLuD-HkrpjkpViuYxWRt4vjkYb_Fq3Z7KtKoqnpfnSz4TIuJnE3w1Md7DxPJADc1V87uROxbEBKjnbaWwSISVkg21pk1bZNtdmS0HEQ2tmPtCv5qiEKnSOfIcUNdwHC1l83RTt76ED20pjzNT7jTxb8K4x3WEmHAgwLy_ru7558Tg/s1755/Book%20Cover.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1755" data-original-width="1241" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhb1joESQYOxTho9zLuD-HkrpjkpViuYxWRt4vjkYb_Fq3Z7KtKoqnpfnSz4TIuJnE3w1Md7DxPJADc1V87uROxbEBKjnbaWwSISVkg21pk1bZNtdmS0HEQ2tmPtCv5qiEKnSOfIcUNdwHC1l83RTt76ED20pjzNT7jTxb8K4x3WEmHAgwLy_ru7558Tg/w283-h400/Book%20Cover.jpg" width="283" /></span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;">Simultaneously, UPIAR Publishing House (Turin, Italy) has published two softcover, A4 format print editions, one in black & white, another in full color (ISBN: 9791281441002). The book can be purchased through this link: <a href="http://www.upiar.com/index.cfm?artID=201" target="_blank">UPIAR Store</a></span></p><br /><p></p>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-41427008430010525532023-03-28T17:00:00.000-05:002023-03-28T17:00:01.302-05:00UFOs, Fame and Anonymity<p><span style="font-size: medium;"> <a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhif2lXxg9135WboPUTQv2-IY-5MmGhicpXxxMxiyAVR98AiP9JLtEp3zF4XdV5I8ray5FukNDvt0giUr1PDHJf2nXkNceQRBvks1R3elPHbNiJ9Vv-Bzy4dTRAfbhp1lziRQ8MlBqOwuak5qwBf1yMOs7erAzQDzZ3nvx9Ro5RAAfFEWeQI6oX1q6MQg/s825/UFOs,%20Fame%20and%20Anonymity.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhif2lXxg9135WboPUTQv2-IY-5MmGhicpXxxMxiyAVR98AiP9JLtEp3zF4XdV5I8ray5FukNDvt0giUr1PDHJf2nXkNceQRBvks1R3elPHbNiJ9Vv-Bzy4dTRAfbhp1lziRQ8MlBqOwuak5qwBf1yMOs7erAzQDzZ3nvx9Ro5RAAfFEWeQI6oX1q6MQg/w640-h334/UFOs,%20Fame%20and%20Anonymity.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span>Anonymity is a contentious issue in UFO research, drawing
criticism for relying on unnamed witnesses, undisclosed sources, and the use of
pseudonyms by authors and researchers. Then there is the UFO field’s long problem
with the many types actively seeking attention, such as show business
personalities, snake oil salesmen, cosmic televangelists, and hoaxers.
Meanwhile, some sincere people who have had their name published have been
subjected to ridicule, harassment, and the loss of their jobs. </span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">How can ufology seek
truth and transparency while safeguarding the privacy of individuals?</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;"><b>Dr. Rank's Proposal</b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhUmP6NFPWoKDsd7ZGHSmlfR7faqfnpdQZM8RCNeWUl4FTjgX87eO6BaFbUlxam7PncChVnITxi0yH37cmiPzpacyD8vDEKbRzcRt7zN9BPlhAbm9uwrayeEoWV5zb0e9ctwEcjBeKoXqwrJBFJcASro31mxr0qfaA3Lz0xDA9nCMHPklspB0A-8lp4lg/s638/Dr.%20Peter%20Rank%20FUFOR,%20MUFON.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="350" data-original-width="638" height="260" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhUmP6NFPWoKDsd7ZGHSmlfR7faqfnpdQZM8RCNeWUl4FTjgX87eO6BaFbUlxam7PncChVnITxi0yH37cmiPzpacyD8vDEKbRzcRt7zN9BPlhAbm9uwrayeEoWV5zb0e9ctwEcjBeKoXqwrJBFJcASro31mxr0qfaA3Lz0xDA9nCMHPklspB0A-8lp4lg/w472-h260/Dr.%20Peter%20Rank%20FUFOR,%20MUFON.jpg" width="472" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Dr. Peter Rank (1935-1988) was the Director of
the Department of Radiology of the Methodist Hospital in Madison, Wisconsin. In
the 1980s, he served on the board of the Fund for UFO Research (FUFOR) and as a
medical consultant for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON). Dr. Rank is perhaps best
remembered for consulting on the famous 1980 Cash-Landrum UFO case in relation
to Betty Cash’s medical issues. When the U.S. Army investigated the case, Col.
George Sarran sought out to Dr. Rank for his thoughts. The documentation shows
that Rank was interested in cooperating with the investigation, but he desired “no
public attention” relating to the UFO case.</span></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></o:p></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhUUIYgDv4jxd2dJF-442uInb5im65XH4Vwgbw0luF2NsexJC-_hklMLPk_qlFH-uNsI65DA_MPixHp8gItR181YYgoOBdhMEuGt35-KqLjsbPU54j4qkZaxASUl4brEaWpJJnWTm36R01suttRU5CM-ZebSARPU8XIu_EbmKHc_VZ95vbdaDPmGISvRA/s721/MUFON%20Journal%20March%201982.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="721" data-original-width="560" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhUUIYgDv4jxd2dJF-442uInb5im65XH4Vwgbw0luF2NsexJC-_hklMLPk_qlFH-uNsI65DA_MPixHp8gItR181YYgoOBdhMEuGt35-KqLjsbPU54j4qkZaxASUl4brEaWpJJnWTm36R01suttRU5CM-ZebSARPU8XIu_EbmKHc_VZ95vbdaDPmGISvRA/w498-h640/MUFON%20Journal%20March%201982.jpg" width="498" /></a></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><br /></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Leonard Stringfield’s work on UFO crash retrievals received
much criticism for relying almost exclusively on anonymous witnesses. Dr. Peter
Rank supported Stringfield’s work and defended him in an article in </span><i style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120131093910/http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1982/March_1982.pdf" target="_blank">The MUFON UFO Journal</a></i><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120131093910/http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1982/March_1982.pdf" target="_blank">,
March 1982</a>, page 16. The key portions discussing the issue of identity exposure
are</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> reproduced below.</span></span><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p>
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: center;"><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Witness Protection: A
Comment <o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p>
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">by Peter Rank, M.D.</span></b><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">For a generation now UFOlogists have been
unconsciously assuming that "the Journalistic Model of reporting" is
the one which demands the most credence. Information published in the media
demand that such stories reveal the who, what, where, when, and why of the
incident reported. It is assumed that such complete disclosure lends
authenticity to the story involved and indeed is a requirement for
believability. Most UFOlogists have adhered to this principle whenever
possible. Such full disclosure according to the Journalistic Model has been
counter-productive. In many cases, foreknowledge that their names would be
published in the popular media has driven away UFO witnesses and certainly has
driven away any informants who cared to comment anonymously about the
Crash/Retrieval-Syndrome.</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">It should now be clear to all dedicated UFOlogists
more than a generation after Kenneth Arnold’s sighting, that a different manner
of reporting UFO information than the Journalistic-Model is required. Perhaps
another alternative should be adopted, Specifically the Medical Model of
reporting scientific information, and do so in, accordance with case history
technique. Medical literature frequently has need of describing objective and
very personal information about patients. The literature is replete with such
case histories. In all cases the patients’ anonymity is respected and the
patient identified only by initials. These case histories are never challenged
on the grounds that the patients full name is not disclosed, and the underlying
integrity of reporting is assumed as a matter of fact.</span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Might it not be useful for us to adopt a similar
approach? Both witnesses and informants would thereby be protected. Witnesses
could then report all their data to serious researchers with the clear
knowledge that they and their families would never be identified in any
publication which might provoke the popular media to descend upon them like
locusts at a feast. Informants, many of whom are discussing information that is
highly classified, perhaps several levels above the well known Top Secret
category, may then feel free to "go public" with their
information" without fear of retribution. This would encourage others to
come out of the closet, and allow considerably more information to develop
about the Crash/Retrieval Syndrome. </span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">There is obvious journalistic precedent for this
practice. Journalists are, and always have been, very protective of their
sources and have insisted in courts of law that their sources remain anonymous.
Legal attempts to force journalists to reveal sources of their information have
failed. This guaranteed anonymity has served as a mighty bulwark of a free
journalism. It could also serve as a mighty bulwark for a more liberated
investigative UFOlogy.</span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">…I have personally talked to a UFO witness, a
CE-III subject, and several military types, and most seek to guard their
privacy. It is quite clear that our first responsibility is to consider these
people as "patients" who first of all need our assistance and
support, and who need our guarantee that their privacy and good faith will not
be abused.</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><br /></b></span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>Stigma and Unwanted Attention</b></span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Dr. Rank had those privacy concerns for himself.
In 1983, Florida journalist Billy Cox interviewed him his analysis of the Cash-Landrum
case for the Dec. 4, 1983, edition of <i>Today</i>.: “</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">The doctor’s
credentials are impressive: head of the radiology department at a major Midwestern
university, a former medical school teacher and a former Army flight surgeon.” Rank
</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">didn't want his name
published, and said:</span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“I'm not afraid for my reputation that is not
the issue. The issue is, this whole UFO business attracts all sorts of
psychiatrically marginal people. And then they get on the phone and they wanna
waste your time and they call you during practice hours and all that garbage
and I don't have time for that.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;">The use of pseudonyms by legitimate researchers
is not that an unusual practice in academic work. Their identity is generally
shared with a few trusted colleagues, but not publicly shared, due to security
or privacy concerns. As for government of industry whistleblowers, leakers etc.,
could be handled with the journalistic model for anonymity, where the source’s
identity is known only by the author and at least one editor. The emphasis
should not be on the name of the source, but on the veracity of the data.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhMnyqVnblhcLXU3IKJPuFwF7m2XPu3t5i9zk5HTiZcn0K5myypHJ9t7Nk_raTnP8BrBNFhkcLIOD1K9UDejPexZafZ3CvrCjIRRrWpku4oYW_EuGkvxd8cyJBHAemyChmz83-tp-gYH2dh4dmM40SX0544mBiwXOAHj1RcRlq7ZqkJaIUbFdGdvo5YRA/s723/DAIG%20Notes%20-%20Peter%20Rank.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="199" data-original-width="723" height="176" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhMnyqVnblhcLXU3IKJPuFwF7m2XPu3t5i9zk5HTiZcn0K5myypHJ9t7Nk_raTnP8BrBNFhkcLIOD1K9UDejPexZafZ3CvrCjIRRrWpku4oYW_EuGkvxd8cyJBHAemyChmz83-tp-gYH2dh4dmM40SX0544mBiwXOAHj1RcRlq7ZqkJaIUbFdGdvo5YRA/w640-h176/DAIG%20Notes%20-%20Peter%20Rank.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">From Col. Sarran's notes talking to Dr. Rank:<br />"no public attention"<br /><br /></span></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><b style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The Missing Ingredient</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Science, medicine, and journalism have
professional standards. Ufology is mostly populated by amateurs with little or
no oversight. As it is, no more trust can be put in anonymous sources than in
the testimony of imaginary friends. Ufology must abandon its
entertainment-based model and grow up and adopt an ethical code of professional
conduct.</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;">There is a place for anonymity in ufology
exactly as Dr. Rank suggested decades ago. The identities of witnesses should
be handled like those of patients in a scientific or medical study, where the
data is shared, but not their identity and personal details. That would deny any
charlatans and hoaxers the fame they seek. More importantly, it’d protect witnesses
and encourage more people to speak openly their UFO sightings without the fear
of exploitation or ridicule.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;"><b>. . . </b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: center;"><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">For Further Reading<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;">Neuroskeptic. “Anonymity in Science.” <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23570959/" target="_blank">Trends in Cognitive Sciences vol. 17,5, 2013</a>: 195-6. doi:10.1016/j.tics.2013.03.004 </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Keerie, Catriona et al. “Data Sharing in Clinical Trials - Practical
Guidance on Anonymising Trial Datasets.” <a href="https://trialsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13063-017-2382-9" target="_blank">Trials vol. 19,1 25. 10 Jan. 2018</a>,
doi:10.1186/s13063-017-2382-9</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><i>The
New York Times</i>: </span> <span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/reader-center/how-the-times-uses-anonymous-sources.html" target="_blank">How The Times Uses Anonymous Sources, June 14, 2018</a></span></span></p>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-27919398113173338812022-12-14T13:37:00.002-06:002022-12-14T18:50:08.500-06:00The NSA Cash-Landrum UFO Document<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgIvbTpJSPzyjIhdVg43Ugfx7Hw61e5vLJhmuMZhStF1LEtGKR7s8zGxUPFwsPtZ6cY3cI4r_I_bmeYw2HsA1PqbbAqgLbzLA2y_Q7lwTPFFMFd7WliovIo54mo55FabnCK8RPW4CYXFz3du4CG6Y9boxqDwZvGSIut7d4dBM9-2HirOpmaJly2LlQyeA/s825/Cash-Landrum%20-%20Invisible%20College.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgIvbTpJSPzyjIhdVg43Ugfx7Hw61e5vLJhmuMZhStF1LEtGKR7s8zGxUPFwsPtZ6cY3cI4r_I_bmeYw2HsA1PqbbAqgLbzLA2y_Q7lwTPFFMFd7WliovIo54mo55FabnCK8RPW4CYXFz3du4CG6Y9boxqDwZvGSIut7d4dBM9-2HirOpmaJly2LlQyeA/w640-h334/Cash-Landrum%20-%20Invisible%20College.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">UFO documents from the U.S. government are rare for events beyond 1969. In a collection of files hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency, one was recently discovered, notes on the Cash-Landrum UFO investigation discussed by the secret psychic spy program.</span><span style="font-size: large;"> </span></div><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Before examining the document, let’s look at the people and agencies involved. In the foreword to the 2014 edition of <i>The Invisible College</i>, Jacques Vallee talked about a group formed as a byproduct of his UFO research with Dr. J. Allen Hynek in the early 1960s:</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“…a small cadre of dedicated researchers... began exchanging data and analysis on a regular basis.... Dr. Hynek called this informal network “the Invisible College”… In later years the movement started by this group became integrated in a larger, multi-nation volunteer research effort joined by many individuals... the questions we had raised have remained current: What is the nature of unidentified aerial phenomena?”</span></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></p><p></p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>The Intelligence Community</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">In September 1972, Jacques Vallee was working as a computer scientist at the Stanford Research Institute in California. His journals (<i>Forbidden Science</i> Vol. II) reveal how Vallee met Dr. Harold “Hal” E. Puthoff, who also worked at SRI, and “invited me to visit his lab. He told me about paranormal experiments he was starting under government sponsorship…” Puthoff was a theoretical physicist with a background including engineering work and three years active duty as a Naval Intelligence officer with NSA. He and Russell Targ were developing a project to use psychics in intelligence gathering, later designated “remote viewing.” </span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">The next day, “Over lunch at SRI I found out that both Ingo [Swann] and Hal were keenly interested in UFOs and the secrecy attached to the subject.” In November, Puthoff introduced Vallee to a psychic he was testing, Uri Geller. Vallee was supportive of the parapsychology research, but was not convinced when, “Uri told me he himself had no power, everything came from the saucers.” </span></p><p></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhlig9cDL3Y85nWxix_MCXGqtyNCXQhpsl-gIJ5Cb2ckC_9fMkjhj0tKQg1Gs0oL5dA58v0OszZCDbGaKL_YX4hCe_LZ6bcPRQx1w4IrZYErAB6XpPr6HyAFDwzlZmoinUYrleppcyxTmG4uL6YR7Jh472TrVvYO4xp-hPLHJCA5FqvvnoGRxPDv5v4iw/s1020/SRI%201972%20Geller%20Saucer.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="662" data-original-width="1020" height="316" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhlig9cDL3Y85nWxix_MCXGqtyNCXQhpsl-gIJ5Cb2ckC_9fMkjhj0tKQg1Gs0oL5dA58v0OszZCDbGaKL_YX4hCe_LZ6bcPRQx1w4IrZYErAB6XpPr6HyAFDwzlZmoinUYrleppcyxTmG4uL6YR7Jh472TrVvYO4xp-hPLHJCA5FqvvnoGRxPDv5v4iw/w487-h316/SRI%201972%20Geller%20Saucer.jpg" width="487" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: left;">SRI: Puthoff and Geller appear in the first minute of </span><a href="https://youtu.be/XMKE-vv5zSQ" style="text-align: left;" target="_blank">this video clip</a><span style="text-align: left;">.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><span style="font-size: medium;">Puthoff continued to introduce Vallee to government contacts. In October, Vallee met Howell McConnell, who shared some similar interests (psychic phenomena, mysticism, UFOs) and monitored the SRI psychic project for the National Security Agency. McConnell told Vallee about the NSA’s skeptical approach. “I work for a bunch of bureaucrats… But an Agency like ours can take no risks. So we keep an eye on things. If something does happen, they'll be able to say they were aware of the situation, that one of their analysts was informed, his documentation up to date..."</span><p></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCAo9awcJbq-nJar6lR2GTV02BZ_TodHmEXE4erFsBGSdbdOOc83vK84SCP6R6bzi_l5WbkT5NrXvdDrWfQSzsh2PjZXIjPkgY8Xu9pJjGRtuV3BZQpYsXwS7QIZrIx0xeIPFqTSQuo4mX6meC4b2Fd4tyyGOxUs4PfbyNTTmyl4I-ARMrf90HOeYh4g/s900/Howell%20McConnell.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="420" data-original-width="900" height="223" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCAo9awcJbq-nJar6lR2GTV02BZ_TodHmEXE4erFsBGSdbdOOc83vK84SCP6R6bzi_l5WbkT5NrXvdDrWfQSzsh2PjZXIjPkgY8Xu9pJjGRtuV3BZQpYsXwS7QIZrIx0xeIPFqTSQuo4mX6meC4b2Fd4tyyGOxUs4PfbyNTTmyl4I-ARMrf90HOeYh4g/w479-h223/Howell%20McConnell.jpg" width="479" /></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><p>In Nov. 1973, Puthoff told Vallee that he’d found “the leader of the CIA group that monitors the UFO field.” Recently, “a biologist, was put in charge. Hal says the new man doesn't want to see me yet.” In Feb. 1974, Puthoff called to “tell me that his main Intelligence contact was at his house... that I meet him…” Thus, </p></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Vallee met, “Dr. Christopher Green nicknamed Kit, a dynamic bespectacled young man of medium build with alert brown eyes. … Green had counterparts in every branch of the Executive. Like Howell McConnell they mainly operated ‘out of personal interest,’ with the blessing of higher-level managers. They occasionally exchanged data, but he claimed little was done with it.” </span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhYpp64TUwHHG5y5wSit8RqF6rH78wWQ7V_aeiFcxzUMGmdke233hEO5hYHj8yF-OoqPYrNoEaay4SLLFDPLszld4kK-WousZhQyMLUzKJMoNvITep5I0L7LBNHdxQO1gFQtcCiHm5HN1GvjDRyRGTmhn1u-NyciQLoTWAYXBdLcQfZGw2_HcW2fsCaPQ/s600/1974%20Puthoff%20-%20Green.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="400" data-original-width="600" height="426" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhYpp64TUwHHG5y5wSit8RqF6rH78wWQ7V_aeiFcxzUMGmdke233hEO5hYHj8yF-OoqPYrNoEaay4SLLFDPLszld4kK-WousZhQyMLUzKJMoNvITep5I0L7LBNHdxQO1gFQtcCiHm5HN1GvjDRyRGTmhn1u-NyciQLoTWAYXBdLcQfZGw2_HcW2fsCaPQ/w640-h426/1974%20Puthoff%20-%20Green.png" width="640" /></a></span></div><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Green worked for the CIA’s Office of Scientific Intelligence, and a small part of his duties involved keeping an eye on reports of paranormal claims that might be of government interest. They met again in May 1974, and frequently discussed the UFO topic, but Vallee was frustrated that Green could provide no evidence of a cover-up of alien bodies and saucers. Meanwhile, Green was quietly making connections in the field. In an April 1975 entry, Vallee wrote, “Kit is now talking to every ufologist worth his salt.” (Despite this, Kit Green managed to keep his name out of print in ufology until the early 1990s). Two of Green’s 1970s contacts were in a team based in Houston, Texas.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Kit Green established friendly sources in two ufologists, Richard Niemtzow, M.D., and John F. Schuessler, a McDonnell Douglas employee contracted by NASA’s Johnson Space Center. Schuessler was a founding member and deputy director of the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), but he also launched his own elite organization in 1976. Schuessler’s <a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/08/project-visit-takes-case.html" target="_blank">Project VISIT</a> (Vehicle Internal Systems Investigative Team) consisted of “professional members, doctors, aerospace engineers and scientists” focused “on the scientific and engineering study of the internal systems of Unidentified Space Vehicles (USV) and of the physiology of the beings which occupy these vehicles." (In plain language, flying saucers and aliens.) </span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhn9cDmRuly_DQBVMSNijcwfr2g8FLdjhLLeEa0mTPkQgb-YoaMcQZbn-QAdq4falBtpHe-CAarHf912aCV5_jlxj0U1UeielyfsS_E1bjrhebiF85SjMUTPchAChwDscHPtapJ0QFBwbhQx_9LjWPGHSxMJNDJdTCqNEyFoyemVHqzUQhi2vju7nScQg/s875/Project%20VISIT.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="475" data-original-width="875" height="348" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhn9cDmRuly_DQBVMSNijcwfr2g8FLdjhLLeEa0mTPkQgb-YoaMcQZbn-QAdq4falBtpHe-CAarHf912aCV5_jlxj0U1UeielyfsS_E1bjrhebiF85SjMUTPchAChwDscHPtapJ0QFBwbhQx_9LjWPGHSxMJNDJdTCqNEyFoyemVHqzUQhi2vju7nScQg/w640-h348/Project%20VISIT.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><p><span style="font-size: medium;">VISIT was stated to be an informal private effort, not associated with Schuessler’s employer or the U.S. Government. Vallee heard something to the contrary, that Dr. Green was tasked by the CIA to check on their UFO work:</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">October 15, 1978: “Kit has a friend [Dr. Richard Niemtzow] in Houston… McDonnell Douglas is continuing their quiet but well-funded study with John Schuessler, also monitored by the agency. They seem to be looking for exotic alloys.” In an early 1979 entry, Vallee said he and Green had discussed the notion of a secret U.S. UFO program. Green told him he’d recently had a “conversation with John Schuessler, who thinks the secret project isn't at CIA but at NRO…”</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">The CIA had told Green the government was no longer interested in UFOs, but he continued his interest in the topic. Vallee wrote in May 1978, “Kit is in close contact with most of the UFO groups, so his interest is only confidential among the uninformed.”</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>1980s and the Cash-Landrum UFO Investigation</b></span></div><p><span style="font-size: medium;">In the spring of 1981, news coverage began about a major UFO case, an incident near Huffman, Texas. It took almost two months for it to surface, but two women and a boy, Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum, and her grandson Colby, claimed to have been injured by a massive fiery object on Dec. 29, 1980. Their evening drive had been blocked by the terrifying UFO, and when it flew away it was followed by a flock of military helicopters. Cash became ill afterwards and spent much of the following weeks in the hospital. Their UFO report was not made until Feb. 2, 1981, but then the investigation was delayed until the end of the month, when John Schuessler started by interviewing the witnesses.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjMH_xnLbrvD38IqKhBt7krRVfY0BjXknKJGmYFz0cIDLkfpskafMcGt_EejjAu78c7u3caNpyuMTFtA1Z22Au3qUrZpbnEsmxSDAclxl4rzEbynXq6EdOKEDmkbPNIqzISsO4PYeSe2OCpv5qqiql3IAtY1m3oRnvIFQ-dAhIoBbf90bPUi8DuTNWqUw/s680/CLHangar1.jpg"><img border="0" data-original-height="382" data-original-width="680" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjMH_xnLbrvD38IqKhBt7krRVfY0BjXknKJGmYFz0cIDLkfpskafMcGt_EejjAu78c7u3caNpyuMTFtA1Z22Au3qUrZpbnEsmxSDAclxl4rzEbynXq6EdOKEDmkbPNIqzISsO4PYeSe2OCpv5qqiql3IAtY1m3oRnvIFQ-dAhIoBbf90bPUi8DuTNWqUw/w640-h360/CLHangar1.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>The C-L case received national publicity, and it was given a credibility boost due to the involvement of Schuessler, whom the witnesses and media regarded as a scientist from NASA. Since it was the most dramatic case in several years, ufologists found it fascinating. So did Dr. Kit Green, who was intrigued by the medical aspect, the reported physiological effects. There was nothing published at the time to document his interest, but Jacques Vallee’s, </span><i>Forbidden Science</i><span> Vol. III had an entry from 26 September 1981 that gives us an indication:</span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Kit… spoke of the Cash-Landrum case in Texas that John Schuessler keeps studying: Three witnesses were exposed to radiation from a hovering object. For the first time a real medical study has been conducted. Kit is afraid two of the witnesses may die from the experience.”</span></blockquote><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>1982-1983: The Army Investigation and the Lawsuit</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">In 1982, Department of the Army Inspector General (DAIG) ordered Lt. Col. George Sarran to determine whether Army helicopters were involved in the C-L incident, but his mission was not to investigate the UFO report. To be thorough, Sarran contacted several ufologists, John Schuessler, the primary investigator; his former VISIT colleague Capt. Richard C. Niemtzow; M.D., USAF; and Dr. Peter Rank, Radiologist. Although not named in the documentation, John B. Alexander says that both he and his friend U.S. Navy Captain Paul Tyler (medical consultant for the Remote Viewing program) were also consulted. In his report, Sarran eliminated the Army as a suspect, and he found no evidence of helicopters flying by any other U.S. government entity - or by anyone else. However, Sarran had interviewed both Mrs. Cash and Landrum, and he explicitly described them as “credible.” </span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">In December of 1982, the legal effort by the witnesses against the U.S. government began. They still insisted military helicopters were involved in the UFO, and felt their medical problems were the result of it. Their attorney filed a damage claim against the Air Force for a total of 20 million dollars. </span></p><p></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIiLjqoSWk7PlCtkNddo3OsCRzRW_h0TOq_P_HnMjzhq4pqtwgVJH8y-mYK2B_5nZLVcxsCKV6Ehsv_6nSHFjnmYY4sTgsoiWvudxO3UnMrpHGc98U8I9H4Ovg7dDxzv38iMrigPVfsfVfuXitB2e84uAMIexm4EyqJydX_JFfufVibVTT5LPx9H7J-A/s472/18172711QUfyzF34.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="467" data-original-width="472" height="396" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIiLjqoSWk7PlCtkNddo3OsCRzRW_h0TOq_P_HnMjzhq4pqtwgVJH8y-mYK2B_5nZLVcxsCKV6Ehsv_6nSHFjnmYY4sTgsoiWvudxO3UnMrpHGc98U8I9H4Ovg7dDxzv38iMrigPVfsfVfuXitB2e84uAMIexm4EyqJydX_JFfufVibVTT5LPx9H7J-A/w400-h396/18172711QUfyzF34.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Tabloid coverage of the C-L legal effort.</td></tr></tbody></table><span><p><span style="font-size: medium;">1983 was a busy year for the case, with much media coverage of the incident, and of the $20,000,000 claim and potential lawsuit. Ufology was aggressively covering it as well, in newsletters and club magazines. But there was some U.S. government-related discussion of the C-L case that wasn’t revealed until about 30 years later. In 2011, the Central Intelligence Agency declassified a document about its remote viewing program. It contained handwritten notes about government-related ufologists involved in the investigation of a UFO case, and of sending a doctor associated with the program to examine the witnesses.</span></p></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>The “Star Gate” UFO Document</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Few UFO-related documents were produced by the U.S. government in the 1980s. However, one surfaced when the CIA declassified some papers on December 1, 2011, as part of their “STARGATE” (Remote Viewing program) collection. It was an undated NSA document, 6-page long, handwritten, no author indicated, apparently notes during a conference. The topic for the first few pages was on people in the timeline of “Soviet Parapsychology Research. Halfway down page 5, the topic abruptly changed, recording the discussion of a UFO case in Texas, as if it were breaking news. The rushed notes are ungrammatical sentence fragments, and many of the words are illegible. Below is a transcription of some of the key excerpts:</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><blockquote>Hot activity UF[O]<br />CE3 Texas much medical Data so good will go to Houston to see patient.<br />… low level radiation… 52 yr old [woman] neighbor & grandson…<br />Object… light… got out & 15 or 20 mins stopped…<br />Fleet of helicopters… Object so bright… becomes very ill burns blisters form…<br />talked to Vallee… GM [grandmother] retinal burn cataracts…<br />John Schuessler VISIT team investigating… hair on woman fell out…<br />Kit has permission to talk to her Dr & one of his physicians consultants.<br />Woman not getting better worse…<br />Kit is calling Dr look for blood - low level ionizing radiation.<br />lot of [screwy theory?] about this -<br />Kit offered to take [case if?] Schuessler can get $…</blockquote></span><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOesqeXIZwTOWWuR4cMH7jvdoVpxuNLsgKqLocMJy7XV7f6aKYQF18ZIeBZB6aPiqPetfB1iFPxLjLbYnnOZyO5fGWNKyxwK6gzMqRxUU3hMpErHdCecZp4U3cGSZnddKItHnqi3rhTIHNEiS-qpxlFJUErEt1py8_XUYJfrjwg-9PHew6_godLlAmCg/s1196/NSA%20Stargate%20Cash-Landrum.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1017" data-original-width="1196" height="544" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOesqeXIZwTOWWuR4cMH7jvdoVpxuNLsgKqLocMJy7XV7f6aKYQF18ZIeBZB6aPiqPetfB1iFPxLjLbYnnOZyO5fGWNKyxwK6gzMqRxUU3hMpErHdCecZp4U3cGSZnddKItHnqi3rhTIHNEiS-qpxlFJUErEt1py8_XUYJfrjwg-9PHew6_godLlAmCg/w640-h544/NSA%20Stargate%20Cash-Landrum.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: left;">To view the document itself, see the PDF at the CIA FOIA Reading Room:<br /> </span><a href="https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/NSA-RDP96X00790R000100030019-5.pdf" style="text-align: left;" target="_blank">Handwritten Notes on Soviet Parapsychology Research (1930s – 1970s) and on Remote Viewing Research in the U.S.</a></td></tr></tbody></table><p><span style="font-size: medium;">The NSA notes unquestionably refer to the Cash-Landrum UFO incident of 1980. The author of these notes has been identified as Howell McConnell of the NSA, based on comparison with his other documents in the Stargate collection. His notes were probably made during a Remote Viewing meeting where Hal Puthoff or an associate read or summarized a Cash-Landrum report to the program participants. In the discussion, Jacques Vallee was referenced, but the central figure was “Kit,” who was interested in the medical aspect and might personally investigate. That was Dr. Christopher “Kit” Green.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">What prompted a discussion of the C-L case in 1983, and why was there a sense of urgency? Aside from the mainstream media, possibly the most important items were by John Schuessler, and one by Richard C. Niemtzow, M.D. in the <i>MUFON UFO Journal</i>, January 1983, “Radiation UFO Injuries.” There’s no indication of any government follow-up to the NSA notes. What little official documentation relating to the C-L case all pertains to the (ill-fated) legal case.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">There’s no direct evidence that Dr. Kit Green became involved in investigating the case due to the discussion recorded in this NSA note. However, it documents the strong interest by Green, Puthoff, and other players in the Remote Viewing story, people who continued to discuss and examine the Cash-Landrum case from then on.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>Further Studies, 1985 to Present</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">The connection Hal Puthoff made with Jacques Vallee back in 1972 blossomed into a permanent expansion of the Invisible College, uniting an elite set of proponents of Remote Viewing, UFO studies, and the paranormal. They regarded the Cash-Landrum incident as not only genuine, but as the premier UFO injury case, and worthy of further study.</span></p><p><b><span style="font-size: medium;">1985-88: The Advanced Theoretical Physics Project</span></b></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">In 1985, John B. Alexander put together the Advanced Theoretical Physics project. Dr. Hal Puthoff was a key member of ATP, and he kept his colleague Jacques Vallee informed of the group’s activities. Vallee called ATP, "the Secret Onion," and <i>Forbidden Science</i> Volume III (2016), has his entry for July 24, 1985:</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">"There was a meeting on frontier subjects in Washington recently. When Hal [Puthoff] arrived he discovered the topic was UFOs, and the overall project was structured in multiple layers, like an onion. The meeting was classified above top secret, under a codeword. Fifteen attendees reviewed cases like Kirtland AFB, Cash-Landrum and Tehran. They included Howell McConnell and [Paul] Tyler. Kit [Green] had been invited but couldn't attend.”</span></blockquote><p></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh5WUFFHeC8OYjBRAR6xSY2p88pZ0xfzCkiVFj6Ut6ozjIrmkoIh_ZKsIiRPJUgscqwAwFvS2sYvbq_6RiCqdPQUdfy1uoSd25V8p4gi4-BUaQDpvT61m4R5GLogXg6eh-i24yetBmTsmoFNtKPXb9fUv4tCcMAXSEiqc7B3XnZqhCu1s78HJ3klonWyw/s825/ATP.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="286" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh5WUFFHeC8OYjBRAR6xSY2p88pZ0xfzCkiVFj6Ut6ozjIrmkoIh_ZKsIiRPJUgscqwAwFvS2sYvbq_6RiCqdPQUdfy1uoSd25V8p4gi4-BUaQDpvT61m4R5GLogXg6eh-i24yetBmTsmoFNtKPXb9fUv4tCcMAXSEiqc7B3XnZqhCu1s78HJ3klonWyw/w548-h286/ATP.jpg" width="548" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">The Advanced Theoretical Physics project.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Alexander wrote in <i>UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities</i>, “We explored the Cash-Landrum case in depth because of lawsuits initiated against the U.S. Government under the assumption that the incident was caused by an experimental craft of ours that had caused the serious injuries.” </span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">McConnell, the author of the NSA C-L document was part of the group, and several other players had ties to the psychic spy program. Ed Dames was a relative newcomer. Alexander intended to use remote viewing in the ATP’s UFO investigations. </span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-size: x-large; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinatIGccaP4E1OdUYbMeHIqZUfJjsUyNNr5chI0kTdqW1q3shpGl50Rpr4SOA2uD5dwUcIa01uNfUSKbOaV0nMIuDM5nVkE2U4n_EL9JI3qGoztiE5CriB-2GBg36DMTzcHntskOisyfphDUBOkWAELTwKoWdR1700dag5ZYifdJRis4wREiftOH1yrQ/s644/CIA%20RV%20C-L.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="628" data-original-width="644" height="390" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinatIGccaP4E1OdUYbMeHIqZUfJjsUyNNr5chI0kTdqW1q3shpGl50Rpr4SOA2uD5dwUcIa01uNfUSKbOaV0nMIuDM5nVkE2U4n_EL9JI3qGoztiE5CriB-2GBg36DMTzcHntskOisyfphDUBOkWAELTwKoWdR1700dag5ZYifdJRis4wREiftOH1yrQ/w400-h390/CIA%20RV%20C-L.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><p><span style="font-size: medium;">While not officially related, the Star Gate files have a document dated 26 January 1988, on the remote viewing session of “GP,” Gabrielle Pettingell. The interviewer was “ED,” Ed Dames and their target was the “Cash-Landrum Object." It produced a vague drawing and description of a black glossy object in a hangar - somewhere.</span></p></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Around the same time, Kit Green and John Schuessler reviewed the medical data on the witnesses in the C-L case. They co-wrote a paper, later referenced by Dr. Green as: </span><span>“Green & Schuessler, unpublished findings of a pair of well-documented human cases…Cash-Landrum 1987.”</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>1995-2004: NIDS </b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">In 1995, Robert Bigelow created the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS), “a privately funded science institute engaged in research of aerial phenomena, animal mutilations, and other related anomalous phenomena.” Under chairman Dr. Kit Green, their all-star science advisory board included Colm Kelleher, Hal Puthoff, John B. Alexander, Jacques Vallee, and John Schuessler. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwdmqWpnbx4OYKLeBKbnRhdzBVkp2TywRyCgHHqqfvrCa9ajEYyCR2ppXxeDlSk-eAI13UgHP2HrC0glO08fFbzklkGFfty60ODkrXyDOWpjl-MlnGOsvi-n47glUqczRKDsdfFMJRt27DHIUkVfvl_qfYm39UP7MKcpyzuolESGkedSV8km1yK45lVg/s825/NIDS-BAASS%20Team.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="513" data-original-width="825" height="249" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwdmqWpnbx4OYKLeBKbnRhdzBVkp2TywRyCgHHqqfvrCa9ajEYyCR2ppXxeDlSk-eAI13UgHP2HrC0glO08fFbzklkGFfty60ODkrXyDOWpjl-MlnGOsvi-n47glUqczRKDsdfFMJRt27DHIUkVfvl_qfYm39UP7MKcpyzuolESGkedSV8km1yK45lVg/w400-h249/NIDS-BAASS%20Team.png" width="400" /></a></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>1997: The Sturrock Panel</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>In 1997, Physicist Peter A. Sturrock of Stanford University directed an independent scientific review of UFO cases conducted by an international panel of scientists. Three of “the usual suspects” participated, Hal Puthoff, John Schuessler, and Jacques Vallee. Sturrock published a paper on it in 1998: “Physical Evidence Related to UFO Reports: The Proceedings of a Workshop Held at the Pocantico Conference Center, Tarrytown, New York, September 29 – October 4, 1997.” The Cash-Landrum case was presented in “<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20010421201727/http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/articles/ufo_reports/sturrock/4.html#12" target="_blank">Physiological Effects on Witnesses</a>,” which was later presented as chapter 15 (pp. 100-104.) of Peter Sturrock’s 1999 book on the study, </span><i>The UFO Enigma: A New Review of the Physical Evidence</i><span>.</span></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8m98_aKYPJd5M_OdLlWwGAdDwFdrUWN3qdgR-fUTmPNqSUJoLaX2t9UM-iomr6ByxhNyfJpBO2s-pc7K31EyCt1WJeM9wsIqvptYccA_2ltVgn_pRqGIr0snxKZFlC7KpQ1uGmxgCE4gjJ4hQetC73T3eZDDeNgiuQKvkchHTk5FUsIjJNDX486M09g/s641/1997-1998.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="513" data-original-width="641" height="357" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8m98_aKYPJd5M_OdLlWwGAdDwFdrUWN3qdgR-fUTmPNqSUJoLaX2t9UM-iomr6ByxhNyfJpBO2s-pc7K31EyCt1WJeM9wsIqvptYccA_2ltVgn_pRqGIr0snxKZFlC7KpQ1uGmxgCE4gjJ4hQetC73T3eZDDeNgiuQKvkchHTk5FUsIjJNDX486M09g/w446-h357/1997-1998.jpg" width="446" /></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><p>Getting back to NIDS, they undoubtedly discussed the Cash-Landrum case, as Schuessler published his book on it in 1998. Additionally, their website hosted two papers mentioning the case, and the NIDS-associated 2005 Knapp-Kelleher <i>Hunt for the Skinwalker</i> book included a review of the C-L story. NIDS came to an end when Robert Bigelow announced that NIDS was being deactivated in Oct. 2004. As we shall see, history suggests instead that it was closed for remodeling. </p></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>2007-2012 BAASS - AAWSAP - AATIP</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">In 2007, Robert Bigelow’s NIDS was reborn as Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), evidently created to secure the contract for the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Applications Program (AAWSAP), known better today by the nickname AATIP. In their 2021 book, <i>Skinwalkers at the Pentagon</i>, the authors “acknowledge the extraordinary intelligence, vision, and decades of knowledge of UAP history that Christopher Green, Hal Puthoff, Jacques Vallee, Eric Davis, and John Schuessler contributed by advising both BAASS and DIA on designing the multiple projects that constituted AAWSAP.” </span></p><p></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfNYkgh_VeBFYTc7PprZMCzWbB0267AwdaV3lY5VXpvd4aDec69rjuWv2R-YeWbSRXHuk6p8Cy0W7eWGMmZeTKyDMwC5zq0iKjxVTZANfa_7rTih5vYlGI_AihOFoeiwyemRL0TeEMVsHNrCFgagIsGoorBf6voGT6doJKAbycNhb_rnSDeyIbiGxNqg/s825/LV%20BAASS%202.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="438" data-original-width="825" height="339" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfNYkgh_VeBFYTc7PprZMCzWbB0267AwdaV3lY5VXpvd4aDec69rjuWv2R-YeWbSRXHuk6p8Cy0W7eWGMmZeTKyDMwC5zq0iKjxVTZANfa_7rTih5vYlGI_AihOFoeiwyemRL0TeEMVsHNrCFgagIsGoorBf6voGT6doJKAbycNhb_rnSDeyIbiGxNqg/w640-h339/LV%20BAASS%202.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Puthoff, Vallee, and Schuessler in Jan. 2009, working on AAWSAP subcontracting.</td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">The BAASS-AAWSP contract was camouflaged as conventional aerospace research using vague language also applicable to UFO studies, including: “propulsion… power generation…human effects… armament (RF [radio frequency]) and DEW [directed energy weapons]). BAASS was contracted to produce scientific papers in 12 technical subjects for use as Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs). </span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNRGHmQP-mF1B7yBRs799BlQTWLlCT38ugkNHu59KaTfIE9DMNlP1E9pw8pR_TbrkTpDGHeS4j2v5DbAGrAiMJdwVjU-mnrh7HLrHznmylYn16fgmkOGc1lXDAHhcYtrXoBXD7h449_FIs-scXAsuS5hdztH110ZKaRjf-5_yGqymiobrSm-KQV-02jA/s825/Green%20Puthoff%20AATIP.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="209" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNRGHmQP-mF1B7yBRs799BlQTWLlCT38ugkNHu59KaTfIE9DMNlP1E9pw8pR_TbrkTpDGHeS4j2v5DbAGrAiMJdwVjU-mnrh7HLrHznmylYn16fgmkOGc1lXDAHhcYtrXoBXD7h449_FIs-scXAsuS5hdztH110ZKaRjf-5_yGqymiobrSm-KQV-02jA/w400-h209/Green%20Puthoff%20AATIP.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjjOgNMQ2-FVWDr-QCISuuXIoybrGpVtt6h7-og0sZyMnJPhIhcwUz-yurc_yQ3iJlH95kMCsBYV0ytdDk04TfVBTex0_Zv0E-nf30oKxYUKATVMsjd8XIRzCOeHZQtNjE-x5W-G0ycXDMTSt3dj8VZKpDd85xi2bBsU0xPjGoZUhV2TmsF7IRTaR8NpA/s363/g.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="130" data-original-width="363" height="144" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjjOgNMQ2-FVWDr-QCISuuXIoybrGpVtt6h7-og0sZyMnJPhIhcwUz-yurc_yQ3iJlH95kMCsBYV0ytdDk04TfVBTex0_Zv0E-nf30oKxYUKATVMsjd8XIRzCOeHZQtNjE-x5W-G0ycXDMTSt3dj8VZKpDd85xi2bBsU0xPjGoZUhV2TmsF7IRTaR8NpA/w400-h144/g.PNG" width="400" /></a></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Puthoff contracted Dr. Kit Green, who delivered, “<a href="https://securitronlinux.com/lc/complete-dirds/DIRD_26-DIRD_Anomalous_Acute_and_Subacute_Field_Effects_on_Human_Biological_Tissues.pdf" target="_blank">Anomalous Acute and Subacute Field Effects on Human Biological Tissues</a>” </span><span>in 2009. When later disclosed, the paper became infamous for being the only DIRD to specifically reference UFOs. It mentioned the Cash-Landrum encounter on 7 occasions, and was treated as a benchmark case for UFO injury studies. John Schuessler’s 1996 booklet, </span><i><a href="https://files.afu.se/Downloads/Books/Digitized_by_AFU/Schuessler%2C%20John%20F%20-%20UFO-related%20human%20physiological%20effects.pdf" target="_blank">UFO-Related Human Physiological Effects</a></i><span>, was a key reference for Green's paper. The 2009 “BAASS Ten Month Report” for AAWSAP reportedly cited the Cash-Landrum case in its discussion of key historical cases, and their plans to create a “medical physiological UAP effects program.”</span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">AAWSAP was terminated in 2012 after the government funding to Bigelow was not renewed. Exactly how the DIRD relating to the C-L case was used has not been disclosed.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>2018-Present: UAPTF – AARO and NASA?</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">The current U.S. investigation of UFOs began as the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Tack Force (UAPTF) in 2018 but has evolved into the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). Participants are said to include “representatives with all relevant and appropriate security clearances from" across branches and agencies, including the CIA and NSA. To date, the program has only indicated an interest solely in contemporary military cases. However, NASA is also conducting an independent study of their own, which will include significant historical cases in their review of “data gathered by civilian government entities, commercial data, and data from other sources.” Though they are not tasked to investigate, their study will surely include the Cash-Landrum UFO case. </span></p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>. . .</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">For additional information, see my previous <i>Blue Blurry Lines</i> articles on these topics: </span></p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2019/03/the-us-governments-cash-landrum-ufo.html" target="_blank">The US Government’s Cash-Landrum UFO Investigations</a> (2019)</span></p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/02/aatip-and-cash-landrum-ufo-case.html" target="_blank">AATIP's UFO Medical Study and the Cash-Landrum Case</a> (2020)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">For further information on the players and events, see the epic examination by Isaac Koi:</span></p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1074447/pg1" target="_blank">Remote Viewing & UFOs: Stargate, Galactic Federation + the Aviary</a> (2015) </span></p><p><br /></p><div><b style="font-size: large;">A Special Acknowledgement</b></div><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Thanks to the friend who pointed the NSA document to me, then helped identify its author. </span><span>Best wishes to you in your related research</span></span><span style="font-size: large;">.</span></p><p><br /></p>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-38641860384517186392022-10-07T10:16:00.003-05:002022-11-29T08:37:08.552-06:00The Cash-Landrum UFO: 1980s Recording of Witnesses Interviews<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; white-space: pre-wrap;"></span></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj04sY7pqbY6J6qVaTyHQWnS9QhOTBVSIPDBd4bpwRtyCD8DRfuJUjJYUTjZRzZrfvp5PYwysRS2stTSN2-Yd-qCOgc-JhPQBxJE-P7LAyfNrW_Mg3SN6XL-o4s11z-BEfdsbXnQO63tpZryAWUBUDGwBynVPHRQ2gDMx-py-YwmbI7NF3m2awxMt_0fw/s825/C-L%20Witness%20Interviews.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj04sY7pqbY6J6qVaTyHQWnS9QhOTBVSIPDBd4bpwRtyCD8DRfuJUjJYUTjZRzZrfvp5PYwysRS2stTSN2-Yd-qCOgc-JhPQBxJE-P7LAyfNrW_Mg3SN6XL-o4s11z-BEfdsbXnQO63tpZryAWUBUDGwBynVPHRQ2gDMx-py-YwmbI7NF3m2awxMt_0fw/w640-h334/C-L%20Witness%20Interviews.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />The Cash-Landrum UFO case received a lot of national media coverage, but few of the local broadcasts have been preserved. One was recently posted on YouTube by the account, “Eyes On Cinema,” titled, “<a href="https://youtu.be/TiYo1kdnk8I" target="_blank">Rare 25-minute interview with Vickie and Colby Landrum on the Cash-Landrum UFO incident, 1980</a>.” </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium; white-space: pre-wrap;">It’s audio of interviews with the two witnesses while visiting the sighting location a few years after the events. Unfortunately, the source and date of the recording was not stated, and the poster has not responded to requests to identify it. In May 21-25, 1984, KHOU, television channel 11 in Houston ran a five-part series on the C-L case by reporter Mitch Duncan. It’s a strong possibility that this recording was part of the material by Duncan filmed for those broadcasts.</span><p></p><span id="docs-internal-guid-89431563-7fff-2040-6b2f-eb992c29fc37"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi6RwefdeBwcBdLmrPRKvnAH05jOJ4DhKW1CMzZ0_K2C90QGyIIk40NAgpDejfAcMSmXul_3lOxZ7x9aR4E6J1_PmLPjCj0UDPwUN0IZ2HKyJCmDzzWokYgpjwQyFU17UAABdXH5yFQh4lfpXFWzgjkz0lhiJPw6CgeIeagGtgiO1sNxZTin4uNpidqSQ/s592/Mitch%20Duncan%20KHOU%20circa%201984.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="339" data-original-width="592" height="229" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi6RwefdeBwcBdLmrPRKvnAH05jOJ4DhKW1CMzZ0_K2C90QGyIIk40NAgpDejfAcMSmXul_3lOxZ7x9aR4E6J1_PmLPjCj0UDPwUN0IZ2HKyJCmDzzWokYgpjwQyFU17UAABdXH5yFQh4lfpXFWzgjkz0lhiJPw6CgeIeagGtgiO1sNxZTin4uNpidqSQ/w400-h229/Mitch%20Duncan%20KHOU%20circa%201984.jpg" width="400" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Mitch Duncan, KHOU, circa 1984</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; white-space: pre-wrap;">The recording begins with the participants traveling by automobile to the Cash-Landrum UFO sighting location. The two witnesses present were Vickie Landrum and her grandson Colby, who were 60 and 10 years old in 1984. The audio is very good, but contains noises from the car trip to the site, and once they reach the location, from passing traffic. Below is a complete transcript of the recording as presented on YouTube. There’s also some cross-talk that’s been edited for clarity. Three segments of recordings are evident, but it’s not known what other breaks or edits the tape may contain.</span></span></div><p></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span>To properly evaluate the recording, there’s some background that’s needed for context. This interview was conducted over three years after the UFO incident, and the story was well on its transformation into legend. The witnesses were pursuing a legal case against the U.S. government for the injuries they claimed, which kept their story newsworthy in the eyes of the media. This recording is not an unbiased account or a </span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; white-space: pre-wrap;">cross-examination of the witnesses</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; white-space: pre-wrap;">. It was made by a sympathetic newsman who was asking them to tell their side of the story. The interviewer asked leading questions based on his limited knowledge of events, some questions based on faulty premises. Vickie Landrum indulged him, giving the reporter the answers she thinks he wants without making any corrections. The interview is short on specific details about the sighting, instead focusing on the plight of the witnesses. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Despite any flaws, the interview is one of the best and it features lengthy, vivid accounts from both Vickie and Colby Landrum about their experiences. It provides the most compelling answer to the question: What was it like to be there?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><br /><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Interview: During the Drive to the Location</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg6Dtl3dN-sa_VfMcDV4sSStrn6KQEQ0TCrb66Z-IfgAW40iPU3abbD7NE-VEF_NCd4838TdyWhS-1sR0yBVZVkQTfGrm5IUS3mIcxMGKeS9K9S7k1XQmfhbWSSHLTMH4W4JhX5fIh22J7u8Tv6ER1jyS8NDk1OZbYDdpmE2xkHEDOHd0Dtyh9YtmhrIg/s284/Vickie%20Landrum.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="280" data-original-width="284" height="280" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg6Dtl3dN-sa_VfMcDV4sSStrn6KQEQ0TCrb66Z-IfgAW40iPU3abbD7NE-VEF_NCd4838TdyWhS-1sR0yBVZVkQTfGrm5IUS3mIcxMGKeS9K9S7k1XQmfhbWSSHLTMH4W4JhX5fIh22J7u8Tv6ER1jyS8NDk1OZbYDdpmE2xkHEDOHd0Dtyh9YtmhrIg/s1600/Vickie%20Landrum.jpg" width="284" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;">Vickie Landrum</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Vickie Landrum: It was between 9 and 9:15, we was coming back from New Caney, we had been to a bingo game. Betty Cash, my grandson Colby Landrum and me, and um we started seeing the light over to the left of us. And it seemed to be way off and - but we got to wondering what it was. And uh the trees every once in a while would make it disappear, and then it would come back into view. And as we went down the road, well it seemed to get brighter.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Were you afraid at all?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Not at first, we was just curious, to you know, and wondering what it was and uh because Colby kept saying uh “See it Grandma, see it Grandma,” uh he'd say, “See it aunt Betty,” and uh so we said “yeah we see it,” and he'd say, “What is it?” and we said, “Well, we don't know,” you know.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Did you estimate what color it was, or how big it was?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well it was um, when we first saw it it was um about half as big as a water tower and it looked um, you know, it was a big bright kind of glowing light, you know, and um so as we traveled on down the road well uh, it disappeared and then it come back into view and um…</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Nobody was following you at all?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: No, we were going like we were going toward where it was, and it was kind of like it was floating, uh on to the - closer to the left of us, and um, so when we get down here I'll show you exactly where it's at.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Were there any other cars on this road?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: No, there was none. If it's, you know, it was kind of cloudy and had been bad, it was um, when it's like that there's not very many people to travel through here because it's, you know, in the wintertime people stay at home mostly.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What time of year was this?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: It was um, the 29th of December of 1980. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Not down here? </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Uh huh, right on down here.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q:What about you, Colby, what'd you think of all this?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Colby Landrum: Well, it was scary. One of the things I’ll never forget.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Light bright?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Yeah, it was real bright.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Ever seen anything that bright before?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: No.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What would you say it looked like to you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: It looked like a diamond.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: A diamond? Did it have any lights blinking on and off?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">CL: No.</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: It was a white light?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: No, it was - it looked like fire.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: It looked like fire? Were you scared at all?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Well, I'll tell you what, scareder than you would ever get.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q?: Was it making a big noise like a train or… jet?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: It sounded like… a jet engine.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Vickie Landrum: Now, right a little bit further down.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: About where that sign is?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Yeah just a little past that sign. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Okay now, once we get past this sign, what began to happen?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: [Garbled] down a little bit further. Well, all at once I saw it and when it come in to the left of us. And um I screamed. On down a little bit further, right along about here.</span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">And it was raining and everything, we couldn't pull over it out of the road but it it's just like it - it come down and it was just, you know, hanging up there. And um… </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Was it blocking your path?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well, I - I feel like if we had’ve went on we would have burned up because you could feel the heat from it. And it was um, about the size of a water tower and when the fire come out - out the bottom of it, it would - it never did get only just, you know, past, you know, up above the treetops.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: I thought you saw something, that there was actual flame shooting out of it?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: Yes sir, the flame when it would come down, it would lift, and when it would let off, it would ease back like it was going to come down, you know?</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: And making a loud noise?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Yes sir, and uh when the flame would come way down, it sounded like, you've heard um um, let me explain to you this way uh uh, like when anybody's doing welding then you know how that the sound, except it was loud, loud, loud. And when it would come down, well that's what it would lift up in the um it just set there suspended. And Betty got out, Betty Cash and walked past the front of the car because she was trying to find out what it was. Colby and me we got out for about um two or three minutes, I guess, and uh he was trying to get away from it to run, and um I grabbed a hold of him and he and pushed him back in the car, and he grabbed ahold of me of pulling and screaming for me to get back in the car.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">And I got back in the car and I was begging Betty to get back in the car, because I felt like we were going to burn up, and um so um, all I could think of - I've been raised that, you know, the world will be destroyed by fire, you know, and the whole area looked like it was, you know, from the light of it, looked like that the whole woods was going to be set on fire. And uh Colby was screaming and everything, and I was afraid that he was going to have a heart attack, so um I begin to talk to him that, you know, if he saw a big man, it would be Jesus and he'd come to carry us to a better place. And um he asked me what about his papaw [grandfather], and I said we’d go through Dayton and pick him up. That's all I could think of to calm him down enough that he - with that - that he wouldn't die, because I've always felt like that anybody could be scared enough that they would die. And um I was scared and he was scared, and Betty got back in the car and she was scared, but when it that last flame came way down it lifted off, and it went over to the right of us and it just gradually went up and went - it didn't foof off it, just, you know, gradually went, and we when it got out of our way we started on down and we could see it, but we saw that - we saw helicopters.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: How many helicopters?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: And they were well a </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">lot</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> of - I mean they were more and more, ‘cause they a - helicopters just kept coming you know from all directions and they were the kind that - uh reason we were so curious about them, they had the double rotaries to them you know the kind that we never - I had never saw before.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">(Break in recording)</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Interview at FM 1485, the Sighting Location</span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZQNCyqPusmJZvOHO6Y435troatyh3aOgIitCgb_R2AHY49UrSmS8eMvM1Rc0WP9c5gblvDGG_l2CJC2byeO2UBK4UFTXL5j0J0WIQzLogia0gZLcejWDm7YgRveW36xLQMs23xCXOl1icMZVY-ebD4my3tJW55mfkmP3Sw6ILYxxx5NhnXHhrQOPo-A/s1600/Vickie%20Road%201981.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1156" data-original-width="1600" height="367" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZQNCyqPusmJZvOHO6Y435troatyh3aOgIitCgb_R2AHY49UrSmS8eMvM1Rc0WP9c5gblvDGG_l2CJC2byeO2UBK4UFTXL5j0J0WIQzLogia0gZLcejWDm7YgRveW36xLQMs23xCXOl1icMZVY-ebD4my3tJW55mfkmP3Sw6ILYxxx5NhnXHhrQOPo-A/w507-h367/Vickie%20Road%201981.jpg" width="507" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">(Picture from Feb. 1981)</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><span><br /></span></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What happened when you got out of the car?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well uh when I screamed for her to stop, uh it would have went on under it. We'd have burned up. And um, we got out in the car, um to see if we could figure out, you know, what it was. And I think we got out in the car to run, but Colby was screaming and hollering and trying to get away from me and I knew if I let him away I don't know where I'd have caught him or not, so I grabbed him and pushed him back in the car.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Was it threatening you at all? Coming towards you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: No, it was just hanging there and when the fire come down, it would lift. And then when the fire let up it was like it was coming back down again and it was hot.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Was it hot?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: It was real hot.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What happened to you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: And um, well I didn't realize at the time anything was happening to me, except I was afraid. I got back out when - we got back in the car and I finally got Betty back in the car and it lifted and went over to the right of us we was on our way home, well um I had a headache and Betty had taken a </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">terrible</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> headache. And um, Colby said he was burning and it was just like we had been out in the heat and got sunburned. You know how the um wind and anything will chap you in the wintertime, and you feel like you, you know, you burning? Well that's the way we felt. And I got home and put uh baby lotion on us and by one o'clock we was </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">blistered</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">. And Betty, uh the lady that was with us Betty Cash, she had big blisters on this side of her, on her neck and on her face, and it was big old knots, they hadn't come out into blisters. And um, I tried for from - it was on the 29th of December, and I tried till the 2nd of January before I got her into a hospital or got a doctor to see her because she didn't have any people here. And I - somebody had to take care of her. And when I got her in the hospital, all of ‘em down there asked if we was a burn patient. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Were you burned?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: And she said no. Yeah, but I mean, I wasn't as bad as she was, so I felt like that I had to stay able to take care of Colby and to take care of her.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What did the doctor say to you when he examined all three of you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Uh, well, he that's what he asked is have - had we been burned. And we told him not his, you know, no because we hadn't we thought he meant like burned with fire, or, you know, something like that. And um, when Betty broke out in those big old blisters and all of her hair started falling out, well um, they couldn't understand it, and he couldn't find out what was wrong with her. And uh so um, I knew it had to be something that happened with the object, because we were all three of us, we had the same symptoms, we were hurt bad.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Where were you hurt the worst?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well um, just my eyes.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Q: Medically, what exactly happened to you and Colby?</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Uh…</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Did it hurt your eyes?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: It hurt our eyes. Uh, because my eyes swelled and they teared when I'd go to sleep at night, next morning my pillow would be completely wet. And it looked just like they were just gonna deteriorate.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What did it do to your skin?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well, same thing the blisters and and then the blisters you know when they started getting better they were runny blisters and and it's like that my whole hand was going to bleed, my arm…” </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What did the doctors say when they examined you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: They, um, said it had to be some sort of radiation.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: From the symptom you were experiencing? Were you experiencing anything else besides burns?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Vomiting. Vomiting, and um like him [Colby] he had no control over his bowels or his kidneys. And we couldn't eat, and we drink water - I mean it was just like we were dying for a drink of water. We didn't want - we didn't want Coke, we didn't want nothing but water. We couldn't get enough water.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: When you came out of the car and looked and you saw this thing move away, what exactly went on when you saw it lift off?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well, I said, I was setting back in the car, I hadn't got back in the car and I said, “Thank God It's going,” you know, and I said uh “let's wait a minute and we'll be ready, uh then maybe we can, you know, get under so when it lifted, well um, we Betty cranked the car up and we moved on under it, I mean on down the road because it had drifted over to - to the left of us and, um that’s when we begin to see the helicopters.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q:What kind of helicopters?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well um,</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What made you think they were helicopters?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Because, uh, they sounded - I mean the rotaries and everything. You could hear the swish of them, you could hear the roar of them. You could see them from the uh, glow from the object, you could see the helicopters.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: This object, was it suspended by a cable or something from one of the helicopters?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: Well, I could - we couldn't tell, but it uh, you know, when it was hanging there you know like it was going to fall. We could hear a </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">beep,</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> and it was a loud beep a shrill, real shrill beep.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: How many helicopters were there in the air?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Um well, we didn't count them here, when we we went on down it's about four miles, we </span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">stopped and we counted the helicopters. </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">I</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> counted 22.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: 22 helicopters. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Colby said “There's another one,” and I said “Yeah, that makes 23.” But I actually counted 22. And I could have counted one once or, you know, or twice maybe, but if they'd have been eight or ten of them that big of helicopters, it would have been too many.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Were they chasing this object?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well, they were, uh it was like as if they were around it, and and coming to it and everything, like it was - this object was in trouble. And they were, you know, maybe gonna, you know, be there in case it fell or something.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What happened then, when you saw the helicopters and this object in the air?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well, it um, kept drifting off to the right of us. And when we got almost to Dayton, we could </span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">yet look back and see the uh, the object, the glow of the object, and there were yet helicopters coming - yet coming, and going toward it.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What do you think all this was?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: I think it's something the government has, and it got out of control.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: You don't think it was a spaceship from another planet… you think it was Earth-bound.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: No, I sure don't. I think it was Earth. I think it was made by man. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What do you think all this was?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: I think it was something the government had up there. If they didn't - if it </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">wasn't</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> government, the government knew about it, because the helicopters were up there and they were our government helicopters. If they don't know about it, somebody's done ripped them off. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Did you contact the Air Force after your incident happened and ask them what they were doing out here?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: Yes, sir, and they said they wasn't out here. They said the helicopters don't </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">fly</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> at night. I </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">know</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> they fly it.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Did you try to contact the Air Force about what you saw?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Yes, sir, we went to uh, um Austin to the [Bergstrom] Air Force Base and begged them for help.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What did they tell you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: They said if we wanted any help we would have to find us a lawyer and file some papers.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Did they deny having these helicopters in the area?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: Oh they didn't know nothing about it, but they had the map spread out, and we couldn't </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">see</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> because our eyes were burning so bad, and the lady that was in there pinpointed the road to us. But yet they didn't know nothing about it.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Did the Army have anything to do with this? Did you try to contact the Army?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: We've tried to contact everybody. And everybody denies it. But a pilot - one of the, um National Guard Pilots said they were called out that night by Montgomery County Sheriff's department, but when he was [contacted] he didn't know nothing about that either. He said that Miss Cash and me </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">told</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> him. Miss Cash wasn't with me when he told me, it was my friend, because Miss Cash was in the hospital.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Why were they called out?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: For this object.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: They were investigating an object.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Right.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: But you don't think it was extraterrestrial. You think it was an Air Force project, and they should be responsible for the damage they caused you and your family.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: Right, right. Well, if - if it </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">wasn't</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> put there by the government, the government knew about it, and they have control over the airways. Why didn't they stop it before it hurt us?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What happened to Colby?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well um, like I say, he - he got - most of his hair come out, and he had this diarrhea, and had no control over his bowels or his kidneys, and he was blistered. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Did the doctors say that was the radiation poisoning?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: And they said there's a possibility that was radiation poisoning, and if we could - said we need to find out the kind of radiation it was, because if - if it was radiation, by the time he's 15 to 18 years old, he'll come down like with leukemia, but it won't be leukemia. And if they was to treat him </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">for</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> leukemia, it could kill him because of the radiation that would be in his body.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: And did you tell the Air Force what your doctor told you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Yeah.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What did they tell you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: They said well there was nothing they could do about it, and if we wanted to do anything about it, we'd have to - if we could </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">find</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> us a lawyer, we'd have to find us a civilian lawyer and file these papers</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: When you told the Air Force about this, did they absolutely without a doubt deny anything was up at all, or did they say no comment?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well, they wouldn't comment on it, but um... </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: They didn't deny it.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: They didn't deny it. They didn't comment on it, no they didn't deny it. And um…</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What do you plan to - that's serious? [Colby] could come down, you know, in his later years that could affect his health. What are you gonna do?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: That's why I'm fighting now. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Q: What are you doing now?</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">VL: Well, I'm - I'm trying to find out what it was. If I can't find out what it was, maybe I can find out what kind of radiation it was putting out. Because we certainly didn't pull our hair out, we didn't burn ourselves, and I didn't, uh, injure my eyes to where I can't see out of one of them. And I sure wouldn't injure a little seven-year-old boy, because I love him with all my heart.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: You still have marks on your hands?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Right. And I'll carry them as long as I live, I guess, on my arms. On my feet. [Shows him.]</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Those are all from the incident that occurred three years ago?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Right. And think I don't have something to fight about?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What about your eyesight?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">VL: Well, I can't see none on the side vision of this side. And it's just like I'm using one eye. I can't see how to read anymore, I can't drive the automobile no more. So when I have to go somewhere I have to get either my daughter, or my daughter-in-law, or my grandson to carry me or I walk.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Colby Landrum Interview at the Location</span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhdYQRULukskoeHDQaCKrf7gdibpHK1aDv1guyylU77p_lcM8G_1hV189s7Xxn0Gd22iWpKKNO7tT5VCTM-4cME_4X6RR1baSWmgmivwtN9PU2BlCrmeXDliiXHTD8U1XWXKRu81vpD-D9rqq0hUvKQlo1opijwE-octOEEIqveujV9ZX0QghbCvh_cVA/s816/escanear0087.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="556" data-original-width="816" height="249" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhdYQRULukskoeHDQaCKrf7gdibpHK1aDv1guyylU77p_lcM8G_1hV189s7Xxn0Gd22iWpKKNO7tT5VCTM-4cME_4X6RR1baSWmgmivwtN9PU2BlCrmeXDliiXHTD8U1XWXKRu81vpD-D9rqq0hUvKQlo1opijwE-octOEEIqveujV9ZX0QghbCvh_cVA/w366-h249/escanear0087.jpg" width="366" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;">Colby Landrum</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: So when you and your grandma were driving down here, you saw that bright light, were you afraid?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Colby Landrum: Well, not at first, but after we got on closer to it I got scared.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Did it hurt you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Well, it burned us. When I got home, and when I went to sleep my grandma - I had blisters on me. And um, well, it wasn’t the same night, the next morning I had a bunch of blisters on my face and um, I - my grandma doctored me.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Did you feel sick at all?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Yep, vomited a bunch.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Q: What do you think it </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">was</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> out there?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Out there that night?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Yeah. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Well, all I can think of is the government project.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: If you didn't know about the government, what do you think it might be?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: I don't know.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What exactly did it look like to you? Do you think it was being chased by helicopters? </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: I think so.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What exactly did it look like to you, do you think it might have been a spaceship?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: A diamond. No, it couldn't have been a spaceship.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Why do you say that?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: I don't believe in spaceships. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: And it looked like a diamond-shape?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: [Apparently nods yes.]</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Did it move fast or slow?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: It moved slow.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Was it loud?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Yeah, it was as loud - it - it sounded like a jet engine, but it sounded like about five jet engines put together. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What did you see out there that night, did you see helicopters?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Yes, about twenty-three of them.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What were they doing?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: They were right above - above the object.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: 23 helicopters, I mean they're big helicopters. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Oh yeah.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: How big was that object would you say? As big as a helicopter or…</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Bigger than a helicopter. About as big as a water tower.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: And the helicopters were over it. What were they doing, shining lights on it or anything?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: No. Not really, they were guarding it.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Did the helicopters have their lights on, so you could see if they were Army, or Air Force, or could identify what they were?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Well, you couldn't really tell, but they were double-rotary like the government’s helicopters.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Now those double-rotary propellers are used by helicopters that haul around big things, they’re transport carriers.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: [Response drowned out by traffic noise. Possibly mentions dreams] …not scared anymore.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Are you scared anymore?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Well, I don’t have, - I hadn't had a nightmare about it for about a …</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What kind of nightmares did you have about it?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Well, like it was.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: I mean what did you dream about that scared you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: About the object.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What was it doing to you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: It was about that night. It - just like I was out here again.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: You don't dream about that anymore?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: No. Well, I hadn't for a long time.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: So you're not scared anymore.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Well, sometimes I think about it and I get scared.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: What are your friends at school think?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: Well, most of them don't believe me.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Q: Does that bother you?</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">CL: No, because I know it's true.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">(END)</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Analyzing the Interview: Facts and Flaws</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In many respects this is the best recorded account of the sighting, with minimal editing or interruptions to the witnesses' accounts. It’s interesting to hear what parts of the story are emphasized and how some familiar parts are omitted, like Vickie’s handprints on the dashboard, or Betty having to use her jacket to open the hot car door handle. Due to the questions asked, we get a good feel for the sensations and emotions they experienced during the encounter, and for the impact it had on their lives. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">The recording features Vickie leading the reporter to the UFO sighting location. This is notable because in September 1981, investigator John Schuessler told radiation investigators from the Texas Department of Health that the witnesses were unable to pinpoint the site, only say that it was a stretch of road “between a beer joint and some kind of highway warning sign.” After a few years of interviews and reenactments, Vickie could show them a spot. For details, see, </span><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/11/the-cash-landrum-incident-suppressed.html" style="text-decoration-line: none;"><span style="color: #1155cc; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">The Cash-Landrum Incident: The Suppressed Case Files</span></a></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The interviewer incorrectly assumes all three witnesses were examined by doctors, not just Betty Cash. Rather than correct him, Vickie implies she did not get medical treatment because she had to stay home to take care of Colby. Later, when asked about what the doctors thought about Vickie’s ailments, she answers regarding Betty's puzzling about if her illness might be from radiation exposure. </span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjynNXoASUhUyZmf5F7Rjc0xfV4oWQRvDWbeeOgx2Pc3K4N4ir2s4rqAjmTnc6280SqB5zy1IKQNTL7mRCWlQDgW9tIY9xRBkab63dOAi_MbfzNdlWFUTHwR4TgfHvU5TiognkwOOtsahjzjfYAMbE8evqqhqw3tbWBsWk8ISznoE98lj3p5GChTGnGOw/s869/Colby%20Landrum%20Hair%201981.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="399" data-original-width="869" height="294" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjynNXoASUhUyZmf5F7Rjc0xfV4oWQRvDWbeeOgx2Pc3K4N4ir2s4rqAjmTnc6280SqB5zy1IKQNTL7mRCWlQDgW9tIY9xRBkab63dOAi_MbfzNdlWFUTHwR4TgfHvU5TiognkwOOtsahjzjfYAMbE8evqqhqw3tbWBsWk8ISznoE98lj3p5GChTGnGOw/w640-h294/Colby%20Landrum%20Hair%201981.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">John Schuessler's photos documenting Colby Landrum's hair loss.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">When he asks her about Colby’s condition following the UFO encounter, Vickie exaggerated it, particularly when saying, “most of his hair come out.” The two photos circulating allegedly showing Colby’s hair loss depict a bare patch about the size of a dime. The missing patch of hair appears more consistent with an encounter with chewing gum and scissors than radiation poisoning. </span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span>Vickie told the reporter about a dire warning from a doctor who'd said that in his teens, Colby might develop a disease that mimicked Leukemia. What Vickie didn't say was that she heard that from Dr. Peter Rank, a radiologist who consulted for MUFON that had never examined any of the witnesses, only read Betty's medical reports from his office in Wisconsin. She also neglected to mention that after reviewing the details Dr. Rank wrote to her, "... s</span></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #222222;"><span style="font-family: times;">peaking as one who works with ionizing radiation every day in my practice, let me also hurry to assure you that [if you were exposed] this does not indeed mean you folks will suffer any serious injury. ...Mrs. Cash's normal blood count in the hospital favor that the injury, due to whatever caused, is not severe in an internal sense."</span></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Exaggerations aside, Vickie’s testimony comes off as sincere and genuine. So did Colby’s performance for the most part. However it is a bit stilted at times, as if some of Colby's answers and terminology came from repeating what he’d heard his grandmother say.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">When Vickie talks about getting Betty into the hospital, “because she didn't have any people here,” that’s not accurate. Betty’s adult son Bill (Toby) Howard was visiting her house, there the night she returned from the sighting. Also, Betty’s brother, Jesse L. Collins, lived nearby, in Houston. </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Vickie said the helicopters were coming in from all directions, estimating 23 were involved, but admitted her count may have been off. She said miles later when they were almost back home to Dayton they could still see the glow from the UFO and that more helicopters were still “coming, and going toward it.” This is overlooked in most case analysis, and would take the number of aircraft involved to an even more incredible number, and expanding almost everything else from the timetable the UFO should have been visible, the area involved, and multiply the number of witnesses who should have been aware of such an epic protracted and noisy military aerial operation.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Vickie talks about the denials of a National Guard helicopter pilot she met, but that comes from her misunderstanding of his description of having been dispatched in 1977 for another UFO sighting in the area. For details, see: </span><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/05/exonerating-helicopter-pilot.html" style="text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank"><span style="color: #440b94; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Exonerating the Helicopter Pilot</span></a><span style="color: #440b94; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">.</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">It’s strange that there's no direct mention of the legal case, just Vickie’s talk of “fighting.” The goal of the video was to portray the plight of the witnesses and get the audience to empathize with them, and in that regard, it was a success. If the case had been tried in the court of public opinion, the Cash-Landrum story might have had a different ending.</span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>For Further Study</b></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">On Feb. 2, 1981, Vickie Landrum called The National UFO Reporting Center to ask for help with the sighting she'd had with Colby and Betty Cash. The recording of that call and a transcript are at the link below.</span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2012/01/cash-landrum-phone-report-of-ufo.html" style="color: #440b94; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: medium;">Cash-Landrum: Phone report of UFO to NUFORC</span></a></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"></span></p><h3 style="background-color: white; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; margin: 0px; position: relative;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: times, "times new roman", serif; font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size: medium;">On August 17, 1981, Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum,and Colby Landrum visited Bergstrom Air Force Base to tell their story and ask for help. The meeting was recorded and later furnished to the witnesses. The links below are to a transcript made of that tape.</span></span></h3><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white; white-space: normal;"><a href="http://www.cufon.org/cufon/cashlani.htm" style="color: #1e83ff; text-decoration-line: none;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"><b>CUFON: </b></span></a><a href="http://www.cufon.org/cufon/cashlani.htm" style="color: #1e83ff; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">Bergstrom Air Force Base C-L Interview Part 1</a></span><br style="background-color: white; white-space: normal;" /><a href="http://www.cufon.org/cufon/cashlani2.htm#top" style="background-color: white; color: #1e83ff; text-decoration-line: none; white-space: normal;" target="_blank"><span class="Apple-style-span"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;"><b>CUFON: </b></span>Bergstrom Air Force Base C-L Interview Part 2</span></a></span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: medium; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: medium;">There's a myth that the Cash-Landrum UFO had a ring of blue lights, but as Colby said in this interview, there were no such lights. See the article linked below for further details on how the witnesses originally described the UFO.</span></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/04/the-cash-landrum-ufo-true-picture.html" style="color: #1e83ff; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: medium;">The Cash-Landrum UFO: The True Picture</span></a></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><br /></p></span>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-66334881162943471412022-09-21T10:06:00.001-05:002022-09-21T14:11:33.745-05:00UFO Advocate: Betty Cash<p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmkaziY_hE2pU0wxzbnQ7Z6QUe7P9tY7DAYZTNl-2al-eOqabfHPv2TuZc7JUSdAzz9M0_rK6VEx7YUbDtBCaeJ_Wvl1qXqhSlONjHvSnSjJ10OAEKjH_qV6dS9PqKbvCUOHmXh1lF-w-p_P3NkHc8VP2sNHRBHH-pWSQ1MPYe75_mLx21gNw5dwi6Zg/s825/UFO%20Advocate%20Betty%20Cash.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmkaziY_hE2pU0wxzbnQ7Z6QUe7P9tY7DAYZTNl-2al-eOqabfHPv2TuZc7JUSdAzz9M0_rK6VEx7YUbDtBCaeJ_Wvl1qXqhSlONjHvSnSjJ10OAEKjH_qV6dS9PqKbvCUOHmXh1lF-w-p_P3NkHc8VP2sNHRBHH-pWSQ1MPYe75_mLx21gNw5dwi6Zg/w640-h334/UFO%20Advocate%20Betty%20Cash.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></div><p></p><p style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Betty Cash, UFO Advocacy, and Show Business</span></b></p><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">A mammoth fiery UFO was pursued by helicopters was seen on the night of December 29, 1980, near Huffman, Texas, according to Betty Cash (51), her friend Vickie Landrum (57) and her grandson Colby Landrum (7). The witnesses did not report the incident until four weeks later, prompted by Betty Cash’s lingering medical problems which they speculated caused her illness. Once it was out, the story became a media sensation, and in time, a classic UFO case. </span></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7HhRzjRhmh44cvH_61KEHWKtcfHZHczfwW2g-Q-n4HDaCv9WaavVQpP2KT7sHsKJxW5ifSh65dUl5o18lvj9r7B9UEnESPlG2uVvNGl0c1_nDPmWZWRnnRF4lgrXfn5vbPl2ZLydZC-Z1D6KfhQreyDGRna-bU2q6nTDveyUGs4xHA_l6gxJLJVNT8w/s1001/IMG_0275_3.JPG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="615" data-original-width="1001" height="246" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7HhRzjRhmh44cvH_61KEHWKtcfHZHczfwW2g-Q-n4HDaCv9WaavVQpP2KT7sHsKJxW5ifSh65dUl5o18lvj9r7B9UEnESPlG2uVvNGl0c1_nDPmWZWRnnRF4lgrXfn5vbPl2ZLydZC-Z1D6KfhQreyDGRna-bU2q6nTDveyUGs4xHA_l6gxJLJVNT8w/w400-h246/IMG_0275_3.JPG" width="400" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: times;"><p><span style="font-size: medium;">They alleged that the presence of military helicopters during the sighting proved the U.S. government was involved, and therefore responsible for their physical ailments. The suspense generated by their pending lawsuit kept the story in the news, but the case was dismissed without a trial in 1986. As far as the media was concerned, the story was over. Betty Cash was deeply disappointed. Since the story broke, she had participated in mainstream television interviews, but other than cooperating with investigator John Schuessler, she was not involved with the UFO scene and its subculture. There were a couple of documented exceptions, though.</span></p></span><p></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEge1DuCYcmkn9g1cAtN6VWjYpWC6BLICO-A-SPGc1x8Qa5_Bmi96oo3huAL6JWkRp64ivoMbqgS7nygCzYUYkOx8aTJ2aVu2_3sTqwID8vVI9hLFOTbYg_iJPddi0O0jopuTOPsm94XLyoipIJqcxTA-3vqfU80rif2E9mXuEX95whuDRAFROeDAyLclw/s964/BC%20Bumper%20Sticker%20Big.JPG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="679" data-original-width="964" height="281" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEge1DuCYcmkn9g1cAtN6VWjYpWC6BLICO-A-SPGc1x8Qa5_Bmi96oo3huAL6JWkRp64ivoMbqgS7nygCzYUYkOx8aTJ2aVu2_3sTqwID8vVI9hLFOTbYg_iJPddi0O0jopuTOPsm94XLyoipIJqcxTA-3vqfU80rif2E9mXuEX95whuDRAFROeDAyLclw/w400-h281/BC%20Bumper%20Sticker%20Big.JPG" width="400" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: times;"><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Betty Cash’s car was shown in “UFOs: What's Going On?,” the 1985 HBO documentary <i>America Undercover</i> episode. Since her experience, she’d added a bumper sticker to the auto: “U.F.O.’S Are Real... The Air Force Doesn’t Exist!” Also, Betty responded to Steuart Campbell’s skeptical letter about the C-L story in the <a href="http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1986/June_1986.pdf" target="_blank"><i>MUFON UFO Journal</i>, June 1986</a>.</span></p></span><p></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjAS3ewMABp2WV3BHQf5hezqevzg41-GSboojqU8krgxsNy2RtPQJPk2V3Pv6n2lO5w5cTTbPpyfKOCvzv9cWNwLfmPOiRNkjIMjmn_lmGIdcxdqUXEDQpRL-9AhO_N2D7CMssmZr1V0s0qk206rATgHO24SGw5evUGZFeZBy8eu4knEVoz_G2LdEUb-Q/s475/MUFON%20Journal%20June%201986.JPG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="475" data-original-width="302" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjAS3ewMABp2WV3BHQf5hezqevzg41-GSboojqU8krgxsNy2RtPQJPk2V3Pv6n2lO5w5cTTbPpyfKOCvzv9cWNwLfmPOiRNkjIMjmn_lmGIdcxdqUXEDQpRL-9AhO_N2D7CMssmZr1V0s0qk206rATgHO24SGw5evUGZFeZBy8eu4knEVoz_G2LdEUb-Q/w254-h400/MUFON%20Journal%20June%201986.JPG" width="254" /></span></a></div><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Something changed around 1988. Betty Cash took an proactive role in ufology, speaking as an advocate on UFO radio shows, attending conferences, and even petitioning the U.S. government. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b>Whatever It Takes</b></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><a href="https://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/0%20-%20Articles/United%20States/OMNI/1988%2010%2000_OMNI%20-%20Lizard%20men%2C%20UFOs%20ets.pdf" target="_blank"><i>OMNI</i> magazine October 1988</a> featured an article by Dennis Stacy and Kevin McKinney, a collection of strange events titled, “Lee County’s Lizard Man and other Unsolved Mysteries.” Half a page was devoted to the Cash-Landrum story and legal effort, “The Case of the Fiery Diamond,” and included quotes from Betty Cash:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">"Even if the government didn't know what the object was then, it does now," she says. "Those helicopters were there, and for the judge to throw the case out, not even hearing us, is a sad decision," She adds that she'll "do whatever it takes" to bring attention to the dismissed case. "I'll fight until they lay me in my grave," she says. "I want people to know how our federal judicial system works."</span></blockquote><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Betty’s first step in her battle may have been her appearance on an infamous UFO television special.</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNjbSf3eS4Qkv3iIhPmYMjnoPGbEem2fF99klHOlfTw7_77JLZuj9Xi5cK8nWQO_q6q9dzhG5izODgut8sVMIA2mmIfXG1UD-flHv7jUgOBaPha_lr4XsbNwLBCX5J--H8EaoJW4Bff5-u42Hj-cyqEmIRmbV6ASW0GX6L7xxlDxb3MZTjuwVurtau1w/s841/Cover-Up%20Live%20Cash-Landrum.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="597" data-original-width="841" height="284" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNjbSf3eS4Qkv3iIhPmYMjnoPGbEem2fF99klHOlfTw7_77JLZuj9Xi5cK8nWQO_q6q9dzhG5izODgut8sVMIA2mmIfXG1UD-flHv7jUgOBaPha_lr4XsbNwLBCX5J--H8EaoJW4Bff5-u42Hj-cyqEmIRmbV6ASW0GX6L7xxlDxb3MZTjuwVurtau1w/w400-h284/Cover-Up%20Live%20Cash-Landrum.png" width="400" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><i style="font-family: times;">UFO Cover-Up?... Live</i><span style="font-family: times;"> was broadcast on Oct. 14, 1988, from Washington, DC, a 2-hour live syndicated television special from Seligman Productions. It was built around taped footage from Bill Moore and Jaime Shandera of two alleged government UFO insiders, “Falcon” and “Condor” who claimed to reveal big secrets about MJ-12, crashed saucers at Area 51, aliens dining and entertainment favorites, and so on. The bulk of the show was live interviews with ufologists and witnesses, but the producer chose to have everything scripted. The participants read their lines from cue cards, and most of their performances came off as clumsy and artificial. There were segments on both historical cases and current events such as segment on the Gulf Breeze UFO story in Florida.</span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Betty Cash and Vickie Landrum appeared to tell their story and Betty said, “I'm mad, I'm mad as hell and disappointed with the government of our United States.” While they listened a pre-taped statement of <a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2022/06/cash-landrum-ufo-disinformation-rick.html" target="_blank">Richard Doty</a> in silhouette as “Falcon,” was played, where he claimed that the UFO they had seen was a joint venture between aliens and the US military.</span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“The Cash-Landrum incident - the craft that was observed was an alien craft piloted by military aircraft pilots. Although they had been trained and were somewhat familiar with the craft, they found that the aircraft did not respond to certain controls. They radioed that they thought the craft was going to crash — standard procedures for the military in any situation where an aircraft was going to crash — the military would send up search-and- rescue helicopters. The helicopters were following the craft. The craft experienced severe problems. It was thought that the craft was going to crash. However, this craft did not crash.”</span></blockquote><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Betty Cash nodded approving as Doty mentioned the helicopters, as if to say, “I told you so!”</span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYvi5ELpvHWq5uA5W9EZxVVypx7pwQw9C24kGHAiTJGeZiVxyfb6GzvLG-I_BcTrCdtr-1v78pE3-avZfxy-tiifI4A2SOZPLhomHrCKhS3rvD2UDgfxlZj2QgxGFty-pIz3N5-EOrUzn4q5MUT-inb8sNu_CkJ9Er0A6wGrfe6iQEWVD_6s6bKlLyMQ/s1082/1989%2002%2014%20Examiner%20Feb%2014,%201989.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1082" data-original-width="650" height="758" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYvi5ELpvHWq5uA5W9EZxVVypx7pwQw9C24kGHAiTJGeZiVxyfb6GzvLG-I_BcTrCdtr-1v78pE3-avZfxy-tiifI4A2SOZPLhomHrCKhS3rvD2UDgfxlZj2QgxGFty-pIz3N5-EOrUzn4q5MUT-inb8sNu_CkJ9Er0A6wGrfe6iQEWVD_6s6bKlLyMQ/w455-h758/1989%2002%2014%20Examiner%20Feb%2014,%201989.jpg" width="455" /></a></span></div><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">The tabloid <i>National Examiner</i> Feb. 14, 1989, ran a story quoting Betty from <i>UFO Cover-Up?... Live</i>.</span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Ufologists were optimistic that the TV special would lead to greater public awareness and have a positive impact. The day after the show, <a href="http://files.afu.se/Downloads/Documents/0%20-%20UFO%20Researchers/Elaine%20Douglass/Elaine%20Douglass%20files.pdf#page=586" target="_blank">the Fund For UFO Research sponsored a brunch</a> meeting to discuss how to move forward. Betty Cash attended and said the medical field needed to be educated on the UFO subject.</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgTVG483U-VpnKDekUnnoKCI1oxrjFjBdf2tzWJgavjg0MoDvEnL20e7Onsyd1S_vRqgnVCZwWMRxpVfHNggluDcv7zhjIhszyqVmACDIaaTPmnT7AJd3sz7O802xw_KagS1U85k850vPoYk3M3h0txDU1-H_en_BBuiH7H7faEa0SwRdozzr93myVnBw/s709/FUFOR%20Betty%20Cash%201988.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="394" data-original-width="709" height="357" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgTVG483U-VpnKDekUnnoKCI1oxrjFjBdf2tzWJgavjg0MoDvEnL20e7Onsyd1S_vRqgnVCZwWMRxpVfHNggluDcv7zhjIhszyqVmACDIaaTPmnT7AJd3sz7O802xw_KagS1U85k850vPoYk3M3h0txDU1-H_en_BBuiH7H7faEa0SwRdozzr93myVnBw/w640-h357/FUFOR%20Betty%20Cash%201988.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><i style="font-family: times;"><div><i style="font-family: times;"><br /></i></div>UFO Cover-Up?... Live</i><span style="font-family: times;"> had featured a phone poll for a Congressional hearing on the UFO topic. Betty Cash was excited by the prospect, and she petitioned for government involvement. </span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEimFx6FN9HNWz4hY-O8t8B3vAwmSKRwZBBTkEIqVFk2YvlHYxecuD_VM6GxZLtUbYY3zI7qea4xxsLSGia_o-IetaGNO7hHfzdZEMx_d8WZ4DUX7frBCqRkCQf0POU6rTXAb0zLMmw5r0kuYf7VpS9ECA5sFDcXaJMlbxncaEW1fokCLl60_MgASFt7oA/s382/CL%20Congressional%20Hearing%20Brigantia1990.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="333" data-original-width="382" height="324" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEimFx6FN9HNWz4hY-O8t8B3vAwmSKRwZBBTkEIqVFk2YvlHYxecuD_VM6GxZLtUbYY3zI7qea4xxsLSGia_o-IetaGNO7hHfzdZEMx_d8WZ4DUX7frBCqRkCQf0POU6rTXAb0zLMmw5r0kuYf7VpS9ECA5sFDcXaJMlbxncaEW1fokCLl60_MgASFt7oA/w372-h324/CL%20Congressional%20Hearing%20Brigantia1990.jpg" width="372" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20Kingdom/UFO%20Brigantia/UFO%20Brigantia%20issue%2037.pdf#page=19" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i>UFO Brigantia</i>, March 1989</span></a></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: times;">In early 1989, advertisements debuted for </span><i style="font-family: times;">The UFO Phenomenon</i><span style="font-family: times;"> book from the 33-volume series on the paranormal from Time-Life, “Mysteries of the Unknown.” The ads appeared widely in newspapers and magazines through 1989 to 1990 prominently featuring an illustration of the Cash-Landrum case. </span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Was it just an illusion? Or did Betty Cash see a UFO. In December of I980, Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum and Vickie's small grandson sighted a blazing diamond-shaped object hovering above a Texas road.” </span></blockquote><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3wrgGQCsAZPx9v0JKO1CVe7SzZklJnUezMTW3QjNekoswma-IA3uy-mFT-Ru9v5C_b0-c8c3zYGQoqZr6T57HsGRnKdoV7EGnIPWxsoUx1ceJAubPO0rtfF2M6JC1E6yaX_yYwbXJcJoO3CXPuNbWTM4JDjgLJUTmKIjl1-qT5e3aN9xy4uJ7JbNBDw/s1400/1989%2009%2017%20St__Louis_Post_Dispatch_Sun__Sep_17__1989_.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1400" data-original-width="1034" height="790" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3wrgGQCsAZPx9v0JKO1CVe7SzZklJnUezMTW3QjNekoswma-IA3uy-mFT-Ru9v5C_b0-c8c3zYGQoqZr6T57HsGRnKdoV7EGnIPWxsoUx1ceJAubPO0rtfF2M6JC1E6yaX_yYwbXJcJoO3CXPuNbWTM4JDjgLJUTmKIjl1-qT5e3aN9xy4uJ7JbNBDw/w583-h790/1989%2009%2017%20St__Louis_Post_Dispatch_Sun__Sep_17__1989_.jpg" width="583" /></span></a></div><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The book opened with the Cash-Landrum story, two pages summarizing the case followed a 2-page color illustration of the sighting.</span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiCAHLZBxRaLoLBDz5AdC6GgcJTZnHqjirZnkun8_xoKp44Mz60dSe33hYs8Qqc6xukQ3hYDL2jlYlvws3aFBVrkec4XYyesgg9Aodkkvj7EHf1__YYtrt8-zR28vg-Y3uVfEGZNcpkImLEfv6MHuAM8TzCZQPVU1x8-qam1BeGyOaDAWhXhfFsXSJcvA/s705/The%20UFO%20Phenomenon.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="405" data-original-width="705" height="368" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiCAHLZBxRaLoLBDz5AdC6GgcJTZnHqjirZnkun8_xoKp44Mz60dSe33hYs8Qqc6xukQ3hYDL2jlYlvws3aFBVrkec4XYyesgg9Aodkkvj7EHf1__YYtrt8-zR28vg-Y3uVfEGZNcpkImLEfv6MHuAM8TzCZQPVU1x8-qam1BeGyOaDAWhXhfFsXSJcvA/w640-h368/The%20UFO%20Phenomenon.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">C-L illustration by Alfred T. Kamajian</span></span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In February, UFO sightings in Fyffe, Alabama, made news and Betty contacted the witnesses to offer her support. This led to Betty being interviewed again about her own story. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"><i></i></span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOGDU5Kg-DhugOlDmkYktqhCdOK6dyW8vD8-DSr5gFlSO03_C1bXlyIZSkv-cqXFqqIBKtyjrBQQ7-2eYHiKcCmybkuWUu7lZf8J26VIsBQBHKfCXySzeZV-ccyG_nb9Lx9UVbHKXGA4SdUqA_SGg3PFT4ssn347h9l6itIPUkVvzZm3dTBEfAAtqdhQ/s1079/1989%2002%2018%20Birmingham%20Post-Herald%20-%20Feb.%2018,%201989.PNG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="412" data-original-width="1079" height="244" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOGDU5Kg-DhugOlDmkYktqhCdOK6dyW8vD8-DSr5gFlSO03_C1bXlyIZSkv-cqXFqqIBKtyjrBQQ7-2eYHiKcCmybkuWUu7lZf8J26VIsBQBHKfCXySzeZV-ccyG_nb9Lx9UVbHKXGA4SdUqA_SGg3PFT4ssn347h9l6itIPUkVvzZm3dTBEfAAtqdhQ/w640-h244/1989%2002%2018%20Birmingham%20Post-Herald%20-%20Feb.%2018,%201989.PNG" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i style="text-align: left;">Birmingham Post-Herald</i><span style="text-align: left;">, Feb. 18, 1989</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"><i><br /></i></span><span style="font-family: times;">An Associated Press story in the </span><i style="font-family: times;">Times Daily</i><span style="font-family: times;"> (Alabama) Feb. 18, 1989, reported, “She said that Sen. Howell Heflin, D-Ala began working to obtain a congressional hearing after calls of support came in during an October television special…”</span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><i>The Birmingham News</i>, Feb. 29, 1989, also published a story on Betty, a telephone interview stating, “Mrs. Cash's experience has become one of the most celebrated and sensationalized UFO sighting in the recent years. She said it has left her in poor health, in debt and questioning credibility of the U.S. government.”</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">The </span><i style="font-family: times;">Birmingham Post-Herald</i><span style="font-family: times;">, March 15, 1989 ran an interview that</span><span style="font-family: times;"> provided some rare details of Betty’s personal life. “Divorced from her first husband in 1979, Mrs. Cash married again several years ago and moved into the mobile home by [Logan Martin Lake].” That was partly inaccurate. Betty’s first husband was (Earl?) Howard and they had two kids, Bill (Toby) and Mickey Joyce. After their divorce, Betty was married to James F. Cash from 1958 to 1980. Despite the legend that she was disabled, around the time of this article, Betty “worked for many years as a private nurse.”</span></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgaAL_xkMKKT13tkstnW7qPNqNuK1OMAPvYMd9KOg0k3FAfNbchchEYEnMgsaVon_xzpU0E-eHLyRZCQy8173-3i4KU1ZcRdA04OxJbX-CQvDBd66zreifVW4_r0oK41JvQweCu_Yh6O0FrXAiH1BH3ADVse7iJdCV6BMsJzQcJqUcQ9utawQEuk8dT3A/s1015/1989%2004%2015%20Birmingham%20Post-Herald%20-%20March%2015,%201989%20Betty%20Cash.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1015" data-original-width="646" height="800" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgaAL_xkMKKT13tkstnW7qPNqNuK1OMAPvYMd9KOg0k3FAfNbchchEYEnMgsaVon_xzpU0E-eHLyRZCQy8173-3i4KU1ZcRdA04OxJbX-CQvDBd66zreifVW4_r0oK41JvQweCu_Yh6O0FrXAiH1BH3ADVse7iJdCV6BMsJzQcJqUcQ9utawQEuk8dT3A/w510-h800/1989%2004%2015%20Birmingham%20Post-Herald%20-%20March%2015,%201989%20Betty%20Cash.jpg" width="510" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiMWmuRSxfiTdcpOrpw7ADl4G0HZdYTZq6FM5fApOaQTmGhNeBvwc5VLTG8CR7SluNfRBuHwvDjpnqAd264T4l_DebtuNptkhQHRtEtiTkfg9JSlUhLnzYX7OJ5C79jFATSdVDTDgYpbyEEADMidMGrJQNMbg8h1AeSFkVMxxoCbAQr3jNC7qKBAxqqKw/s1519/1989%2004%2015%20Birmingham%20Post-Herald%20-%20March%2015,%201989%20story.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1519" data-original-width="615" height="1348" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiMWmuRSxfiTdcpOrpw7ADl4G0HZdYTZq6FM5fApOaQTmGhNeBvwc5VLTG8CR7SluNfRBuHwvDjpnqAd264T4l_DebtuNptkhQHRtEtiTkfg9JSlUhLnzYX7OJ5C79jFATSdVDTDgYpbyEEADMidMGrJQNMbg8h1AeSFkVMxxoCbAQr3jNC7qKBAxqqKw/w547-h1348/1989%2004%2015%20Birmingham%20Post-Herald%20-%20March%2015,%201989%20story.jpg" width="547" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><p>There was a paranormal talk show in Montgomery, Alabama, “In Touch,” hosted by Chris Stevens on WACV Talk Radio. Betty was a frequent guest on the show talking about her own experiences and other UFO events like the Fyffe sightings.</p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj92b4-MRPzD1xh7H9yh-8MNc--FZLeckpP-5Rt6_tBdJjUs900xfEqbXKMvPnA5V1_Zb2tGEn3qEX5zOlMUpMxjN0jBoItEekW7SsEJOlP0GIJE-3Zdx6mEBSLmIvu80LymV9w-ngHtl8Cu64ErZyj9gRd-Og38iacjSlbU6iLZ4ZSnpw3MDK9WS8eZg/s1235/1989%2010%2016%20The_Montgomery_Advertiser_Mon__Oct_16__1989_.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1235" data-original-width="567" height="903" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj92b4-MRPzD1xh7H9yh-8MNc--FZLeckpP-5Rt6_tBdJjUs900xfEqbXKMvPnA5V1_Zb2tGEn3qEX5zOlMUpMxjN0jBoItEekW7SsEJOlP0GIJE-3Zdx6mEBSLmIvu80LymV9w-ngHtl8Cu64ErZyj9gRd-Og38iacjSlbU6iLZ4ZSnpw3MDK9WS8eZg/w415-h903/1989%2010%2016%20The_Montgomery_Advertiser_Mon__Oct_16__1989_.jpg" width="415" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i style="text-align: left;">The Montgomery Advertiser</i><span style="text-align: left;">, Oct. 16, 1989</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><p><b>Betty Cash at Gulf Breeze</b></p></span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">Jumping ahead a bit, “<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130622141445/https://www.mecha.com/~conkle/cthulhu/krill.txt" target="_blank">O.H. Krill</a>” made crackpot claims about a lot of things including the Cash-Landrum UFO case:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">“Bill Moore says it was the U.S. flying an alien craft. One of the women involved thinks that the aliens are Satanic and said so recently in a full-page ad in the Gulf Breeze, Fla. <i>Sentinel</i>.” </span></span></blockquote><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">It sounds outrageous, but it may be a distortion of actual events. </span></span><span style="font-family: times; font-size: large;">Betty Cash was visiting Florida for UFO conferences and making UFO business contacts there. One of them was Michael R. Wales, Director of Radar Evidence, UFO, IAC Center. (IAC was an abbreviation for Identified Alien Craft.) </span><span style="font-family: times; font-size: large;">In a March 1989 advertisement in the Gulf Breeze </span><i style="font-family: times; font-size: large;">Sentinel</i><span style="font-family: times; font-size: large;">, Wales referred to himself as Michael of the "Free Confederation of Planets in service of the Infinite Creator."</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEii82P3W7Pee5pj1KEW9GJ9NtWXtRDM0Zv4zUCPMsoeoTlqDe2Z7FxHvJtRUhSQuXFQSY0ZCib4m6hGIJ57YFYus5wu7lwNMtH89m68j2xghz11khxSU6RGLf067AvAW89vIYms09OMEyqgo3PRwDuMU7xwrIYUPGgafZu4m6qu5FFg2TJ60HF2vWSMxQ/s588/Wales%20-%20War%20of%20the%20Words.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="394" data-original-width="588" height="390" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEii82P3W7Pee5pj1KEW9GJ9NtWXtRDM0Zv4zUCPMsoeoTlqDe2Z7FxHvJtRUhSQuXFQSY0ZCib4m6hGIJ57YFYus5wu7lwNMtH89m68j2xghz11khxSU6RGLf067AvAW89vIYms09OMEyqgo3PRwDuMU7xwrIYUPGgafZu4m6qu5FFg2TJ60HF2vWSMxQ/w583-h390/Wales%20-%20War%20of%20the%20Words.png" width="583" /></span></a></div><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDSDGVjqyfmUEtZoKPiLmBkIFOAJX64qeqUGNdmqjVopeJaU_q5Q2mBOH-FuUtIC005VBSO1HuxMuQTdJRuIobigvuyXAxQ_iTMGI4gz8TjM1fq82SIjM8TKzxV7BxoSCLulob_i_wSnE0wLj4O_D7oxJky3YhiKddNXxnfDFF3JCcFlH8L-Bx7-Al1w/s1582/1989%2003%2016%20The%20Sentinel.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1582" data-original-width="971" height="946" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDSDGVjqyfmUEtZoKPiLmBkIFOAJX64qeqUGNdmqjVopeJaU_q5Q2mBOH-FuUtIC005VBSO1HuxMuQTdJRuIobigvuyXAxQ_iTMGI4gz8TjM1fq82SIjM8TKzxV7BxoSCLulob_i_wSnE0wLj4O_D7oxJky3YhiKddNXxnfDFF3JCcFlH8L-Bx7-Al1w/w579-h946/1989%2003%2016%20The%20Sentinel.jpg" width="579" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: large; text-align: left;"><i>The </i></span><i style="font-family: times; font-size: large; text-align: left;">Sentinel, </i><span style="font-family: times; font-size: large; text-align: left;">March 16, 1989</span></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />Wales is quoted as proclaiming: </span><p></p><blockquote><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">"Certain highly enlightened Starseed Angelic Forces have been simultaneously contacting Gulf Breeze ... and Fyffe, Ala., to battle the serpents and awaken the population of the world. It is high time to inform yourselves and demand an end to the governmental cover-up regarding both the angelic and demonic extraterrestrial activities." </span></blockquote><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Wales said the UFOs are visiting Gulf Breeze because the U.S. government won't release information on alien visits. He said they are taking their case to the people.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">"They don't want to force themselves on a planet against its wishes. If enough people on a </span><span style="font-family: times;">planet want to know about them they may be able to make contact in a more open way," Wales said.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">Wales’ ad and position may have been confused by “Krill” as being connected to the Cash-Landrum case. There was a connection, though. Mike Wales knew Betty Cash and presented her at a UFO conference. </span><a href="http://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20States/APCIC%20clipping%20service/APCIC%20-%20Vol%2015%20No%2005%20-%201990.pdf#page=17" style="font-family: times;" target="_blank"><i>Pensacola News Journal</i>, March 11, 1990</a><span style="font-family: times;">, “Observers: Seeing is believing,” by Bill DiPaolo and Craig Myers.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Betty Cash was one of the guests at Mike Wales’ 1-day UFO convention, “UFOrum: The True Story of the UFO,” on June 9, 1989. <i>Pensacola News Journal</i>, June 7, 1989.</span></span></p><p></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEiqrftWfQf2akHm2few19uF7EVtPs9mjDBaVqb55CZ7P_5JJf97ubqgoEJzSVgF6BeGMRjiEZeRZPhdL-9g0OErO3V7A_G9mY2mkZr3DeE5s_gCDuhR79Pk-jGVBWeZw8ES3sdaoWFuVvv7qH84_BVeioR9eqzG75WLo3uX0cg269tvZj_FkXqIWBcQ/s700/1989%2006%2007%20Pensacola%20News%20Journal%20Jun%207%201989.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="700" data-original-width="446" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEiqrftWfQf2akHm2few19uF7EVtPs9mjDBaVqb55CZ7P_5JJf97ubqgoEJzSVgF6BeGMRjiEZeRZPhdL-9g0OErO3V7A_G9mY2mkZr3DeE5s_gCDuhR79Pk-jGVBWeZw8ES3sdaoWFuVvv7qH84_BVeioR9eqzG75WLo3uX0cg269tvZj_FkXqIWBcQ/w408-h640/1989%2006%2007%20Pensacola%20News%20Journal%20Jun%207%201989.png" width="408" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i style="font-family: times; text-align: left;">Pensacola News Journal</i><span style="font-family: times; text-align: left;">, June 7, 1989.<br /><br /></span></span></td></tr></tbody></table><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiBGcWGTh1mzCcKBYmhomefWDqijRtrfHV1hLF9SWgcpC9DekWQnfnTwCR9psHGfRw1RI4zXYLy75bH7yYzkWZIyp898rsMQo4yt6uO2-Yw6FrdCcWd-5vkXiA965WqTyyx4UJkpNuKNb7b-igZKh5PYekR8yNGWrswgzDAcuODSUDCYjhluGt1kiQgSA/s1447/1989%2006%2008%20The%20Sentinel.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1447" data-original-width="891" height="899" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiBGcWGTh1mzCcKBYmhomefWDqijRtrfHV1hLF9SWgcpC9DekWQnfnTwCR9psHGfRw1RI4zXYLy75bH7yYzkWZIyp898rsMQo4yt6uO2-Yw6FrdCcWd-5vkXiA965WqTyyx4UJkpNuKNb7b-igZKh5PYekR8yNGWrswgzDAcuODSUDCYjhluGt1kiQgSA/w554-h899/1989%2006%2008%20The%20Sentinel.jpg" width="554" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: large; text-align: left;"><i>The </i></span><i style="font-family: times; font-size: large; text-align: left;">Sentinel, </i><span style="font-family: times; font-size: large; text-align: left;">June 8, 1989</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhixGVEHnA8jVPibzuUGt7oOMm1giw-OARcbobsrqvCFVz1ghu0P-JA5VLGZYnQweqWU20aXeFWe6cRL5XPJ1TrPL1fNCvDS3IscE0hhBw7qMZgqvnMqhRW_PruMchfNVxJo_l8bpKW1d58Lg_YAAnAmKqHseckf8YQMp3jDVU7gSP3FzzsNzT_taq0mg/s787/1989%2006%2010%20Pensacola%20News%20Journal%20June%2010,%201989.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="707" data-original-width="787" height="359" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhixGVEHnA8jVPibzuUGt7oOMm1giw-OARcbobsrqvCFVz1ghu0P-JA5VLGZYnQweqWU20aXeFWe6cRL5XPJ1TrPL1fNCvDS3IscE0hhBw7qMZgqvnMqhRW_PruMchfNVxJo_l8bpKW1d58Lg_YAAnAmKqHseckf8YQMp3jDVU7gSP3FzzsNzT_taq0mg/w400-h359/1989%2006%2010%20Pensacola%20News%20Journal%20June%2010,%201989.jpg" width="400" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i style="font-family: times; text-align: left;">Pensacola News Journal</i><span style="font-family: times; text-align: left;">, June 10, 1989</span></span></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">Betty was not mentioned in the <i>Pensacola News Journal</i>, June 10, 1989, but it was described as having over 100 attendees. One of them was Anna Foster, a psychic, who operated the New Age Shop in Gulf Breeze and active in the local UFO scene. </span><span style="font-family: times;"><i>The </i></span><i style="font-family: times;">Sentinel, </i><span style="font-family: times;">June 15, 1989 had a more complete report including photos of speakers Betty Hill and Betty Cash.</span></span></p><p></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpXX0pl88gvF2lmgfdUHKLb-WaptsyqlA-sZNgHpnQvvkiMNaRthf0Z-m-WBgmcEa7J6tCFYwjlz6669sJl5SpF-CA35KD63xrfJB_gJdATJKHMJWlY-ATkt9Br3Sm7b-NjjBVTKlguwkivCaadbIGDdRGQxe-MYUrreVpp635IVZwgFt8dwAzxKIC2w/s1200/1989%2006%2015%20The%20Sentinel.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1044" data-original-width="1200" height="556" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpXX0pl88gvF2lmgfdUHKLb-WaptsyqlA-sZNgHpnQvvkiMNaRthf0Z-m-WBgmcEa7J6tCFYwjlz6669sJl5SpF-CA35KD63xrfJB_gJdATJKHMJWlY-ATkt9Br3Sm7b-NjjBVTKlguwkivCaadbIGDdRGQxe-MYUrreVpp635IVZwgFt8dwAzxKIC2w/w640-h556/1989%2006%2015%20The%20Sentinel.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; text-align: left;"><i>The </i></span><i style="font-family: times; text-align: left;">Sentinel, </i><span style="font-family: times; text-align: left;">June 15, 1989</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">When Betty was in Florida, either on this visit or the next year, Wales took Betty Cash to meet Duane B. Cook, the <i>Sentinel</i> editor and publisher, who was instrumental in covering the Ed Walters UFO story in Gulf Breeze.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Wales extremist antics led to some friction. <i>The Miami Herald</i>, Aug. 6, 1989, ran a story about controversial figure Ed Walters, that ended with a mention of the arrest of Mike Wales:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">“Ex-con or no ex-con, Gulf Breeze is adjusting nicely to its status as a UFO spaceport despite the mayor’s complaint about what the notoriety is doing to his town. Not long ago, the cops busted one strange fellow from Palm Beach, a member of the ‘Free Confederation of Planets,’ allegedly for trespassing at the high school. That’s where the UFO once landed, says a defendant. It deposited a bubbling, extraterrestrial chemical and kill the patch of grass, he says.”</span></blockquote><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Wales said he left Gulf Breeze in October 1989 [returning to Palm Beach] after being ridiculed and ostracized by Gulf Breeze officials and fellow UFO researchers. But [Police Chief Jerry] Brown and other city officials said Wales alienated himself in his search for aliens. <a href="http://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20States/APCIC%20clipping%20service/APCIC%20-%20Vol%2015%20No%2005%20-%201990.pdf#page=17" target="_blank">Pensacola News Journal March 11, 1990</a>.</span></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3ZUUV04KTHodYDBGAxepND-Z4yZCm51ZHd60jERBv4Z8af2HAbvHST8r4sloudyH7JubpIcoTdc2hBvT0PipWN_FiSHgrPuK0nKKyzwU24YrhZb6t6nF_vss5sxT4u-uv9QDdhpxsF1AiTeBu-Jz55-PaTwTwd_2u1LN3fQWD0JZhhLV1Mh1MhOcpHw/s1002/MUFON%20Journal%20Aug.%201990.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1002" data-original-width="810" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3ZUUV04KTHodYDBGAxepND-Z4yZCm51ZHd60jERBv4Z8af2HAbvHST8r4sloudyH7JubpIcoTdc2hBvT0PipWN_FiSHgrPuK0nKKyzwU24YrhZb6t6nF_vss5sxT4u-uv9QDdhpxsF1AiTeBu-Jz55-PaTwTwd_2u1LN3fQWD0JZhhLV1Mh1MhOcpHw/w324-h400/MUFON%20Journal%20Aug.%201990.jpg" width="324" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: times;"><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Betty Cash was back in Florida for the MUFON Symposium held in July of 1990, "UFOs: The Impact of E.T. Contact Upon Society," held in Pensacola. This was during the heyday of the publicity surrounding Ed Walters’ Gulf Breeze UFO tales and photographs. Walters himself was a guest, along with folks such as Budd Hopkins, Bruce Maccabee, and Don Schmitt. Betty wasn’t listed as a guest, but she was joined by her friend Vickie Landrum who also attended, possibly attracted by the lecture, "The Fyffe Alabama Experience" by Carey H. Baker, or to network and pursue support for their story. Thanks to Michael Christol for sharing a photograph below, which shows MUFON director Walt Andrus, Jeanne Andrus, Betty Cash and Vickie Landrum. </span></p></span><p></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEji6tcK8ud1lkbVDo40b2M5rDW9SWr7xgYh7aQ-_3nUirq3vAL9yF2J0AlwMILznra-uTRdQwcf5C-VMyx7nPG4Y1lloVDcO-Bma3v3-PU4bAgGDEot0GKsOXFDdSI65NcFQyBvcpeLwmAAqkYfTBbp2_C5TDTj85sqMjjVHjahn2Bi8nbYVm1mlF7vNw/s1466/CL%20July%201990%20MUFON%20Symposium%20.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1079" data-original-width="1466" height="472" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEji6tcK8ud1lkbVDo40b2M5rDW9SWr7xgYh7aQ-_3nUirq3vAL9yF2J0AlwMILznra-uTRdQwcf5C-VMyx7nPG4Y1lloVDcO-Bma3v3-PU4bAgGDEot0GKsOXFDdSI65NcFQyBvcpeLwmAAqkYfTBbp2_C5TDTj85sqMjjVHjahn2Bi8nbYVm1mlF7vNw/w640-h472/CL%20July%201990%20MUFON%20Symposium%20.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><span style="font-family: times;">Also attending was the symposium was psychic Anna Foster, who would shortly be making UFO-related news of her own. </span><span style="font-family: times;">See the </span><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130421034059/http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1990/August_1990.pdf" style="font-family: times;" target="_blank">Aug. 1990 <i>MUFON Journal</i></a><span style="font-family: times;"> article for coverage of the symposium.</span></span><p></p><p><b style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></p><p><b style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">One Degree of Separation from the Gulf Breeze Six</span></b></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">Arriving in Gulf Breeze just after the MUFON symposium ended were six US military intelligence analysts AWOL from their post in West Germany. On July 14, 1990, the police stopped their van for a broken tail light, which led to the entire group being arrested. They became known as "the Gulf Breeze Six," on a bizarre quest that involved prophecy from a Ouija board about the Antichrist, the Rapture, exposing the government UFO cover-up and much more. The person who had inspired them was Anna Foster, a psychic, had attended Mike Wales’ “UFOrum: The True Story of the UFO” on June 9, 1989 and also the MUFON Symposium.</span><span style="font-family: times;"> </span></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLn7NFy_OTHR4akDQf6uvy8C_W_ZIKp6uvbc52kh2fnIQi_PAu-d9nXXtqydi9emsL1OWAxsNsJCBmZqWn_x_Lw-9cERkkUjnYiv_8rrgSmnTxwMykdi47U0kPmsv4M4W7SmyWfeki_r2ZW718OyE0o3yF4Agjc7rOSgFsgzFkTLEAjFIFdbBpA2gEKA/s787/Anna%20Foster%20-%20Sightings.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="634" data-original-width="787" height="258" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLn7NFy_OTHR4akDQf6uvy8C_W_ZIKp6uvbc52kh2fnIQi_PAu-d9nXXtqydi9emsL1OWAxsNsJCBmZqWn_x_Lw-9cERkkUjnYiv_8rrgSmnTxwMykdi47U0kPmsv4M4W7SmyWfeki_r2ZW718OyE0o3yF4Agjc7rOSgFsgzFkTLEAjFIFdbBpA2gEKA/s320/Anna%20Foster%20-%20Sightings.png" width="320" /></a></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: times;">Anna Foster and the</span><span style="font-family: times;"> Gulf Breeze Six were featured in a segment in the </span><i style="font-family: times;"><a href="https://youtu.be/oPFZAqSbR48" target="_blank">Sightings</a></i><span style="font-family: times;"> episode from Feb. 12, 1993, “Searching the Skies/Ouija/Phobos II Update.”</span></span><div><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>Betty Cash, Mike Wales, and the Sentinel Editor</b></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">In the </span><a href="http://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20States/UFO%20Newsclipping%20Service/UFO%20Newsclipping%20Service%20-%201990%2009%20-%20no%20254.pdf#page=5" style="font-family: times;" target="_blank"><i>Sentinel</i>, (Gulf Breeze, FL) July 19, 1990</a><span style="font-family: times;">, UFO conspiracy theorist Mike Wales asked Mayor Ed Gray and Duane B. Cook, Sentinel editor and publisher questions about Betty Cash being a victim of an alleged mind control UFO conspiracy connected to the Gulf Breeze Six: </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Mike Wales asked, “Do you feel that Paul Bennewitz, Gabe Valdez and Betty Cash have been able to speak freely to the press, without gross and unfair pressure from the U.S. Intelligence community, and ‘Operation Crystal Ball,’ UFO Coverup Security, and mind control tactics being employed?”</span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Duane Cook answered, “I don't know anything about Bennewitz or Valdez, but Betty Cash was able to speak as freely as she pleased with <i>The Sentinel</i> when you brought her to my office, Mike.”</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"><i>The Palm Beach Post</i> from July 22, 1990, concerning the Gulf Breeze Six, which included quotes from Mike Wales. The article described the arrest of the group. “…four of the soldiers were staying at the home of Anna Foster, a Gulf Breeze woman who </span><span style="font-family: times;">had befriended one of the men a year ago.”</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">“Some UFO advocates speculate the six soldiers came on a military 'mission… They could be perfect lookouts, UFO advocates say. ‘If they felt UFOs should come to Gulf Breeze because there's been so much activity in the past, it'd be a perfect place to be conducting an experiment,’ said Michael Wales, a UFO enthusiast who lives in Palm Beach but has studied sightings in Gulf Breeze.”</span></blockquote><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">(Later… one of the six was Kenneth Beason, age 26.)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">[Anna] Foster reportedly met Beason last year while working at the New Age bookstore in Gulf Breeze. "On the advice of my attorney, I have no comment," she-said. Neither will she confirm nor deny whether she is a Rapture disciple. But Wales, who gave a lecture on UFOs recently in Gulf Breeze, said Foster attended and "talked about her interest in the Rapture then." </span></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Cash-Landrum: the Motion Picture </span></b></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">Betty Cash’s Gulf Breeze connection resulted in a new legal counsel, <a href="https://www.arkansasonline.com/obituaries/2013/mar/21/cv-ford-jr-2013-03-22/" target="_blank">Attorney Clay V. Ford, Jr.</a> </span><span style="font-family: times;"><i>UFO Magazine</i>, Sept./Oct. 1990, quoted Ford as saying, “Whether the craft was alien or not, the government is responsible.” </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"><i></i></span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpf953Mjym2Zod82in_sd5-zk_XsYh4yBve4VMTKbwh8AizKzpUpS1PLAJOMB-kkzf3tc2X09vWnoXFHLnUPp7B4doZBhzJhPH16sSJnES96FZaGzfQIL3HXX1vW1WXMA_3hFRgvblukkZuivIR4j5c4UrjRfwzX-g_7IfMcsPoJRFNiODLHdd35ZH8A/s695/UFO%20Magazine%20Sept.Oct.%201990.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="695" data-original-width="524" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpf953Mjym2Zod82in_sd5-zk_XsYh4yBve4VMTKbwh8AizKzpUpS1PLAJOMB-kkzf3tc2X09vWnoXFHLnUPp7B4doZBhzJhPH16sSJnES96FZaGzfQIL3HXX1vW1WXMA_3hFRgvblukkZuivIR4j5c4UrjRfwzX-g_7IfMcsPoJRFNiODLHdd35ZH8A/w482-h640/UFO%20Magazine%20Sept.Oct.%201990.png" width="482" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i>UFO Magazine</i>, Sept./Oct. 1990</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"><i><br />The Houston Chronicle</i>, Sept. 15, 1991, reported</span></span><span style="font-family: times; font-size: large;">: </span></div><div><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><blockquote>“Their attorney, Clay Ford of Gulf Breeze, Fla., wants to reopen the case by showing government officials lied about record-keeping procedures during pretrial proceedings. Meanwhile, he is negotiating the sale of his clients' movie rights.”</blockquote></span></span></div><div><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">The Cash-Landrum movie never happened, but the case continued to be prominently featured in the media.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b>Betty Cash in Books, Radio, and Television</b></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">On Nov. 18, 1990, Betty Cash, Colby and Vickie Landrum were guests on <i>21st Century Radio Show</i> hosted by Dr. Bob Hieronimus, “UFOs Today with Bob Oechsler.” The witnesses were interviewed by phone while Betty was in Texas for the filming of their <i>Unsolved Mysteries</i> episode. It was most notable for having (teenaged) Colby Landrum give his account of the sighting, but otherwise it was Vickie and Betty mostly repeated the familiar details. Betty sounded confidant and persuasive, and when asked about the origins of the UFO she said, “I really don’t believe - I mean, it might be something from outer space. but I ...the government knows something about it, and they shouldn’t lie to us about it.”</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhbfod7IIa1geJRsMxj3FV-JnJmxvSbjk1Ckb851JskQHEqO49iaAc9VQpP9jlKJlawxl-Ovi0fI07Fan8c0L824QWHaJo707CHq8578_WD1KzXHp-h81zcaARgh3-CgK7mNQFbi5HcPuRQSf2K9Owtn2et_36P1URDgKP1zdR4CLB8acWplykJDOqjdw/s704/Unsolved%20Mysteries%20-%20Betty%20Cash.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="359" data-original-width="704" height="326" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhbfod7IIa1geJRsMxj3FV-JnJmxvSbjk1Ckb851JskQHEqO49iaAc9VQpP9jlKJlawxl-Ovi0fI07Fan8c0L824QWHaJo707CHq8578_WD1KzXHp-h81zcaARgh3-CgK7mNQFbi5HcPuRQSf2K9Owtn2et_36P1URDgKP1zdR4CLB8acWplykJDOqjdw/w640-h326/Unsolved%20Mysteries%20-%20Betty%20Cash.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: times;"><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Airing shortly after the tenth anniversary of the case the hit NBC show, the <i>Unsolved Mysteries</i> episode on February 6, 1991, included the segment “Texas UFO.” It featured interviews with Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum, John Schuessler, Dr. Bryan McClelland, and L.L. Walker, and a dramatic and imaginative re-enactment of the case with the witnesses portrayed by actors. Betty was still focused on getting help and information. “If it’s a top-secret object that’s protecting the United States, then I could say I could forgive them for that. But at least they owe us to tell us exactly why we were burned, and what type of radiation that we were exposed to and how much.” The show gave the case a lot of exposure and the episode was rerun at least once, frequently replayed ever since after the series was packaged for syndication.</span></p></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">Jenny Randles’ 1987 book <i>The UFO Conspiracy: The First Forty Years</i> contained a two-page summary of the Cash-Landrum case. In 1990 Betty Cash’s daughter, Mickey Gesinger, read the book and wrote a letter by to Randles who she asked to help get additional coverage to her mother’s story in hopes it would prompt a financial settlement from the U.S. government. (<a href="http://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20Kingdom/BUFORA%20-%201989-1997%20UFO%20Times/UFO%20Times%20-%20No%2007%20-%20May%201990.pdf#page=18" target="_blank">Published in UFO Times May 1990</a>.) T</span><span style="font-family: times;">his connection led to an invitation to a convention the following year. Betty and Vickie Landrum were </span><a href="http://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20Kingdom/BUFORA%20-%201989-1997%20UFO%20Times/UFO%20Times%20-%20No%2013%20-%20May%201991.pdf#page=14" style="font-family: times;" target="_blank">announced at guests</a><span style="font-family: times;"> at the </span><a href="http://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20Kingdom/BUFORA%20-%201993-2000%20BUFORA%20Newsfiles/BUFORA%20Newsfile%20-%20No.06%20-%20October%201991.pdf#page=4" style="font-family: times;" target="_blank">6th International UFO Congress in 1991</a><span style="font-family: times;"> in England. </span></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiAkNIHQEfSmOQ_NhYnrP_FPStQAz58Qg6Ytzu_50Weh_imFl2hXxsgFQK1lNUqPEU5JJhVm2ys7XBZ8qBH0bjiGicWLN1joV53WkHHfEho9iGTrlVHcpRYtjSFl-H8v4n-Fnqoo3MgjYXOZgVD6YJl_8u3ukyLNrIUggq-I0ogprPNb74RnffuziQcyw/s460/BUFORA%201991.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="460" data-original-width="342" height="504" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiAkNIHQEfSmOQ_NhYnrP_FPStQAz58Qg6Ytzu_50Weh_imFl2hXxsgFQK1lNUqPEU5JJhVm2ys7XBZ8qBH0bjiGicWLN1joV53WkHHfEho9iGTrlVHcpRYtjSFl-H8v4n-Fnqoo3MgjYXOZgVD6YJl_8u3ukyLNrIUggq-I0ogprPNb74RnffuziQcyw/w376-h504/BUFORA%201991.PNG" width="376" /></span></a></div><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">However, the plans apparently didn’t work out, and they did not appear for the convention.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Despite the publicity from the <i>Unsolved Mysteries</i> episode, the stardom of the Cash-Landrum case faded, and it was seldom mentioned outside of UFO fandom. There was no movie deal, and if Betty Cash was still an advocate, it wasn’t making the papers. Thanks in part to the debut of the television show <i>The X-Files</i> in 1993, UFOs became newsworthy again.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><i>Encounters: The UFO Conspiracy</i>, was a television show aired on Fox Feb. 22, 1994. It included Betty Cash in their opening segment on a US government cover-up. </span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDKQnKjq3UgHcmJZyan01WmD8NiFwTrvZ5oxweaeSsDbVvGOrKZhnhCbEhvZ81HfXkTaBj3B4zaIeTEBZ0jiModdvgQc1CeW6jRunvq3vkDkPiWwMVKwSA2W8SlnNrMiIERD0ukkFB3KhinMNbBsmDMdqnbr-qYHhJzy7y6qClZud0vaigWuO5jWKMsA/s825/Encounters%20-%20The%20UFO%20Conspiracy,%201994.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="630" data-original-width="825" height="340" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDKQnKjq3UgHcmJZyan01WmD8NiFwTrvZ5oxweaeSsDbVvGOrKZhnhCbEhvZ81HfXkTaBj3B4zaIeTEBZ0jiModdvgQc1CeW6jRunvq3vkDkPiWwMVKwSA2W8SlnNrMiIERD0ukkFB3KhinMNbBsmDMdqnbr-qYHhJzy7y6qClZud0vaigWuO5jWKMsA/w446-h340/Encounters%20-%20The%20UFO%20Conspiracy,%201994.jpg" width="446" /></span></a></div><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><a href="https://youtu.be/H96sjXwoErw?t=363" target="_blank">Betty appeared at 6:26</a> and was in about four minutes of the show, saying:</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“I don't trust our United States government, and I don't mean to be short or ugly, but that's exactly the way I feel. And if they want to do anything with me, let ’em do it”</span></blockquote><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">If Betty Cash’s efforts to petition Congress for a hearing on UFOs had any effect, it went off course. In February 1994, the General Accounting Office (GAO), an investigative agency of Congress, initiated an audit to ascertain “the facts regarding the reported crash of an UFO in [1947] at Roswell, New Mexico.” What resulted from that was a report published in July 1994, later revised and expanded in 1997 as </span><i style="font-family: times;">The Roswell Report: Case Closed</i><span style="font-family: times;">. It looked no further than Roswell, so was helpful in no way to Betty’s cause.</span></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgX4rsFOPg_jOVNZKepSPF3CWfsE_G1P-4outnGWuG8ptQwYS7SUuW29wQjt02rZ4u-tlRGgClQV63vLh9BQ3tRRT82tuBfFxRJZABL-3M9QsUviAg0tkz3jrnZhSit3HhdG7g6jXn2XXlaIMxNmNmH22q_d5XYR_Gk09jFWIjdnMd8NoAVQLCWEDpiEg/s569/The%20X-Files%20Book%20of%20the%20Unexplained.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="349" data-original-width="569" height="269" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgX4rsFOPg_jOVNZKepSPF3CWfsE_G1P-4outnGWuG8ptQwYS7SUuW29wQjt02rZ4u-tlRGgClQV63vLh9BQ3tRRT82tuBfFxRJZABL-3M9QsUviAg0tkz3jrnZhSit3HhdG7g6jXn2XXlaIMxNmNmH22q_d5XYR_Gk09jFWIjdnMd8NoAVQLCWEDpiEg/w439-h269/The%20X-Files%20Book%20of%20the%20Unexplained.jpg" width="439" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><i style="font-family: times;">The X-Files Book of the Unexplained</i><span style="font-family: times;"> was a 1995 book by Jane Goldman described as “an in-depth guide to the mysteries of the paranormal and unexplained which are the basis of the fictional television episodes.” It also included 3 pages with a summary of the Cash-Landrum UFO case with photos of Betty Cash and Vickie Landrum.</span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">In mid-1998 John Schuessler self-published the book, <i>The Cash-Landrum UFO Incident</i>. The A&E Network broadcast <i>The Unexplained</i> episode, "Close Encounters" from July 9, 1998, written and produced by Kevin Barry. The episode featured an extended segment on the C-L case and included interviews with Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum, John Schuessler, Dr. Bryan McClelland, attorney William Shead, and Ken Storch. Betty Cash’s said: </span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjacTo28O4I-3mOKHiNdIGn4zwm0PjMic-3zgxgJUIt3m6u0bOkpuNRMKF_FvInumGkdKIJC06ZQAZBpYudGWvtG4ZfjppRggV_JDayY719074pL7SoAz9QcV3b9UHYrOAIeqXRDvF7NBRVC2GGUbJutZKXPL-n980IIY72at1zrhb_Bepx6YzFvUkbUA/s825/Betty%20Cash%20-%20The%20Unexplained.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="263" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjacTo28O4I-3mOKHiNdIGn4zwm0PjMic-3zgxgJUIt3m6u0bOkpuNRMKF_FvInumGkdKIJC06ZQAZBpYudGWvtG4ZfjppRggV_JDayY719074pL7SoAz9QcV3b9UHYrOAIeqXRDvF7NBRVC2GGUbJutZKXPL-n980IIY72at1zrhb_Bepx6YzFvUkbUA/w504-h263/Betty%20Cash%20-%20The%20Unexplained.png" width="504" /></span></a></div><p></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">“They've ruined my health, they've ruined my life, so what else what else is there that they </span><span style="font-family: times;">can do other than kill me” And they probably would love to do that, but I'm so stubborn and hard-headed that I'm gonna show ’em. I'm gonna be around to fight just as long as there's a fight left in me.”</span></span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"></span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><i style="font-family: times;">The Unexplained </i><span style="font-family: times;">was Betty Cash’s last televised interview. In November Betty was hospitalized for a stroke and she died on Dec. 29, 1998 at the age of 69.</span></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfu4AfIX9APWr3-ClTlJjjMkjWxy1SyhH482XpNsNRkqmJyHh9KWoIUC1n-IU8vh-jSUfX9P0sbiL8vOihojyCTeA897bBz1ur9FbSFxgVvb5QUPzOPJOwsMNIg2E4i85HwykD4T-Oam-yt-iUuZGpZ-WGOYySRIckalzr7TbEziV2cTvaLBZMA7D5Lw/s551/BC%20Obit.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="551" data-original-width="262" height="518" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfu4AfIX9APWr3-ClTlJjjMkjWxy1SyhH482XpNsNRkqmJyHh9KWoIUC1n-IU8vh-jSUfX9P0sbiL8vOihojyCTeA897bBz1ur9FbSFxgVvb5QUPzOPJOwsMNIg2E4i85HwykD4T-Oam-yt-iUuZGpZ-WGOYySRIckalzr7TbEziV2cTvaLBZMA7D5Lw/w246-h518/BC%20Obit.png" width="246" /></span></a></div><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLeaabIeB3VcKeglpog969hzGaU1i4qYHk-eJ--2E6ZDb-GXQ9oGVWhHbxKjnV9e7051drJlOyw6dtL8HmU2tdxLI9fUtK8y4SE9taRBY37sixfwGpL_G5Br5U0ZsSetUV6pFOazFk8xhqSFhRAuCu8YBL1C_N8b4-UFqSXenNSZ_-U8tHuDLm2yC_YA/s2048/photo.JPG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1107" data-original-width="2048" height="216" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLeaabIeB3VcKeglpog969hzGaU1i4qYHk-eJ--2E6ZDb-GXQ9oGVWhHbxKjnV9e7051drJlOyw6dtL8HmU2tdxLI9fUtK8y4SE9taRBY37sixfwGpL_G5Br5U0ZsSetUV6pFOazFk8xhqSFhRAuCu8YBL1C_N8b4-UFqSXenNSZ_-U8tHuDLm2yC_YA/w400-h216/photo.JPG" width="400" /></a></span></div><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><b>. . . </b></div></span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: times;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></span></p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">For Further Reading on the Gulf Breeze Tangents</span></b></span></p><p><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">For Mike Wales, see <i>War of the Words: The True But Strange Story of the Gulf Breeze UFO</i> by Craig R. Myers, 2006</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">James Carrion shared A 117-page PDF on the Gulf Breeze Six published by Jack Brewer and at <i>The UFO Trail</i> published in his Feb. 12, 2017 article, “<a href="http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2017/02/revisiting-gulf-breeze-six.html" target="_blank">Revisiting the Gulf Breeze Six</a>.” The file was</span><span style="font-family: times;"> from MUFON's "Pandora Project.” <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByaETuY4MjY8ODhTVDU4Rk5FMEk/view?resourcekey=0-QXHK7Em9_f4TIQsXZIIsvg" target="_blank">The Gulf Breeze Six: Media Coverage and Correspondence</a>. </span></span></p><p><br /></p></div>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-72390345862206563052022-06-22T15:19:00.002-05:002022-06-23T08:02:32.100-05:00Cash-Landrum UFO Disinformation: Rick Doty & Bill Moore<p></p><p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0.1pt; text-align: center;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVXTT3Dc8LjVjmDgdxR5VlC29Li60zuTS6J0rEEqezSBe5Efn2JXIcE7K5_fUM4dHDTdixH-1bZb9h6Ny4q-D4NgCDyehg9UvaMrkJihVEexJ_6oPG91t9eznTQt4cXbfIYNcbds6PRmnP-U0dyFyDfT0iE8BVepEy6iTRb20fmtCeI4PGT18LSUpppA/s825/Doty%20and%20Moore%20Cash-Landrum.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVXTT3Dc8LjVjmDgdxR5VlC29Li60zuTS6J0rEEqezSBe5Efn2JXIcE7K5_fUM4dHDTdixH-1bZb9h6Ny4q-D4NgCDyehg9UvaMrkJihVEexJ_6oPG91t9eznTQt4cXbfIYNcbds6PRmnP-U0dyFyDfT0iE8BVepEy6iTRb20fmtCeI4PGT18LSUpppA/w640-h334/Doty%20and%20Moore%20Cash-Landrum.png" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; color: #424242; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #424242;">When flying saucers appeared in 1947,
one of the first guesses as to their origin was that they were new secret test
vehicles flown by the U.S. military. The government responded with a
categorical denial of having experimental flying discs in the air. Decades
rolled by, but no successful U.S.-owned saucers were discovered or disclosed.
The belief that UFOs were extraterrestrial spaceships grew in popularity, while
the secret project notion faded. Flaps came and went, but exceptional UFO cases
only come along every few years. Serious researchers fight to get at them, but
so do the tabloid press, television cameras, and hucksters looking for
something to exploit. Such was the case in early 1981 when the story of the
Cash-Landrum incident surfaced. Everyone wanted a piece of the action.</span><span style="color: #424242;"> </span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #424242;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></div><p></p>
<h3 style="margin-left: 0in; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: large;"><b><span style="background: white; color: #111111;"><span>Part 1:<br /></span></span></b><b><span style="background: white; color: #111111;"><span>The Ufologist and the Counterintelligence Agent</span></span></b></span></h3><div><b><span style="background: white; color: #111111;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></b></div>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .35pt; margin: 0.35pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In
1980, a few months before Betty Cash and friends took that fateful evening
drive… <span style="background: white; color: #111111;">Richard C. Doty was an
agent for the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) at Kirtland
AFB in Albuquerque, New Mexico. </span><a href=" https://ufos-documenting-the-evidence.blogspot.com/2018/06/finally.html" target="_blank">His military records</a> list him as born on Feb. 15, 1950, with green eyes, brown hair,
and standing 5’8.5” tall, weighing 145 pounds. William
L. Moore was born on Oct. 31, 1943, and he had achieved some success collaborating
with bestselling author Charles <span class="s1"><span style="background: white; color: #111111;">Berlitz on <i>The Philadelphia Experiment </i>in 1978. </span></span><span style="background: white; color: #111111;">Moore’s fame in UFO circles began with their
1980 book, <i>The Roswell Incident</i>. Stanton Friedman assisted in the
research and interviews, and the underlying agenda behind the book was to
counter the growing notions that UFOs were non-physical paranormal or
interdimensional apparitions. The Roswell scenario turned back the clock to
nuts and bolts saucerology. Donald Keyhoe established the dogma in 1950: Flying
Saucers are: (1) Real, (2) Extraterrestrial spaceships, and (3) Covered-up by
the U.S. government. The belief system is self-confirming, since the lack of physical
evidence “proves” the government is covering it all up.</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .35pt; margin: 0.35pt 0in 0in;"><span style="background: white; color: #111111; font-size: 12pt;"><br /></span></p>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBt61s6Ecq4QF2x2qv1rY-gPIQ6i8KkYAhp-y-1wOWPzmnZfOTnhOzwa1KGiqVKoyNJz8LoyfqW6w_gFACi_2I8De2Q05g5aqUyi6DGRRu1s-PheAvNnsM1wCu-VxpAODnRjPBypJMDO59EIJkpM_oPryAlT4iGT4IqJFsOAuRRZ4L6dcHg0dFZFWP_g/s744/APRO%20Bulletin%20-%20Tucson%20Citizen%20Feb.%2013,%201979.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="656" data-original-width="744" height="564" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBt61s6Ecq4QF2x2qv1rY-gPIQ6i8KkYAhp-y-1wOWPzmnZfOTnhOzwa1KGiqVKoyNJz8LoyfqW6w_gFACi_2I8De2Q05g5aqUyi6DGRRu1s-PheAvNnsM1wCu-VxpAODnRjPBypJMDO59EIJkpM_oPryAlT4iGT4IqJFsOAuRRZ4L6dcHg0dFZFWP_g/w640-h564/APRO%20Bulletin%20-%20Tucson%20Citizen%20Feb.%2013,%201979.png" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: left;">Doty & Moore early 1980s, Coral and Jim Lorenzen from</span><span style="background: white; color: #111111; text-align: left;"> <i>Tucson Citizen</i> Feb. 13, 1979</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">With
Bill Moore’s star on the rise, he became a member of the board of directors of
the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO), the Tucson, Arizona-based
organization led by Jim and Coral Lorenzen. APRO was the oldest of three UFO
organizations operating in the USA, the others were the Mutual UFO Network
(MUFON) based in Texas, and the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) in Illinois.
MUFON began as a splinter group of APRO, and there was some animosity and
rivalry between them. </span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background: white; color: #111111;">According to the legend, in the fall of 1980,
the success of <i>The Roswell Incident </i>led to Moore being approached
by Richard C. Doty of the AFOSI. Rick Doty’s claim is that he was working for a
special program tasked with the collection of intelligence and
counterintelligence information on UFOs. To that end, Doty collected data from
ufologists while disseminating both genuine data and disinformation, with Bill
Moore as his primary asset. D</span>oty was
either acting on behalf of the US government, or he was a rogue agent operating
towards his own ends - or a combination of both. Whatever the case, the
collaboration with this low-level AFOSI agent enabled Moore to portray himself
as being well-connected to government insiders. Moore’s overall strategy seemed
to be, fake it ‘til you make it. </span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In
early 1981 Moore was busy promoting his Roswell UFO book, researching a
possible follow-up, and building a working relationship with Rick Doty. He
became a UFO superstar, frequently lectured at conferences, where he sold his
book and the newsletter and booklets he published. Moore’s mission was to carry
his Roswell UFO crash and U.S. government secrecy story into the present day.
He began preparing the story of a government cabal that controlled the UFO
cover-up, a group he called MJ-12. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="color: #424242; font-size: medium;"><b>First
Contact in the Cash-Landrum UFO Case</b></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: large;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiB5o9WTienRg5YqH0rad0uMaQK_Vtqr8MTs7ZmZp9CbZpeSFX8AtYuMf5cXtLto0djy6B6vvPbura-kgpg_vKvyUaqnVzIyEOQNxBOaGt0e7vAkYkXWC4hTMYC4lenFaS7SHXJk9eQ3yVxVdDQm-T8SbxOhCJd-cTxmkKlMPiZP5eIhvNcyd6dEF1ZQw/s825/Cash-Landrum%20UFO%201980.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="485" data-original-width="825" height="376" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiB5o9WTienRg5YqH0rad0uMaQK_Vtqr8MTs7ZmZp9CbZpeSFX8AtYuMf5cXtLto0djy6B6vvPbura-kgpg_vKvyUaqnVzIyEOQNxBOaGt0e7vAkYkXWC4hTMYC4lenFaS7SHXJk9eQ3yVxVdDQm-T8SbxOhCJd-cTxmkKlMPiZP5eIhvNcyd6dEF1ZQw/w640-h376/Cash-Landrum%20UFO%201980.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Betty Cash, Coly Landrum, and Vickie Landrum</td></tr></tbody></table><span><br /><span style="font-size: medium;">On
Feb. 2, 1981, Vickie Landrum called Robert Gribble’s National UFO Reporting
Center (NUFORC), to ask for help regarding the UFO she thought might be
responsible for her friend Betty Cash’s medical problems. Gribble called APRO
to share the report. After weeks of waiting, the witnesses called APRO back.
This prompted APRO to hand the case off to John Schuessler, the deputy director
of MUFON, then based in Texas, since the case was figuratively in his backyard.
Things were not to be harmonious, and MUFON and APRO later argued about which
group had actually launched the case investigation. </span></span><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Coral</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;"> </span><span>E.</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;"> </span><span>Lorenzen</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;"> </span><span>of</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.8pt;"> </span><span>APRO,</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;"> </span><span>letter</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;">
</span><span>to</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;"> </span><span>John</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;"> </span><span>Schuessler,</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.8pt;"> </span><span>August</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;"> </span><span>24,</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;"> </span><span>1982:</span></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 5.7pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 5.7pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Bill
Moore sent us Xeroxed copies of his records of telephone calls he made and
received on February 2, 1981, when APRO received its first word from Robert Gribble
on the Cash-Landrum case. <span style="letter-spacing: -0.25pt;">Mr. </span>Moore
received a call from Bill English informing him of the case at 7:40 p.m. on
February 2. Moore called Howard Sussman, who I am sure you know… a medical
doctor in Houston and also a MUFON member, at 9:20 p.m. on February 2 and asked
if he (Sussman) could look into the<span style="letter-spacing: -0.2pt;"> </span>case.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">Moore knew about the case from the start, but wouldn't take an active hand until later.</span><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><br /><b>The First Secret Project Speculation</b></span><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><br /></b></span>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 5.7pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 5.7pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i>The Courier</i><span> (Conroe, TX), Feb. 22, 1981, reported the witnesses suspected </span><span>they'd come across a U.S. government operation.</span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">"Someone
knows where the helicopters came from," [Vickie] Landrum said, adding that
she feels certain they encountered some sort of military experiment. “I'm not one
to believe in flying saucers or nothing like that," she said. “'I think
it's more likely it's something the military is up to - why else would all them
planes be up there if they didn't know what was going on?"</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 5.7pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 5.7pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjTw2xlegL-ZoOJRu9tsBpWkY3-wt1yVhq2rTZkT5boCFakT7XxWOZ-F6mHievza-2YziqpHRDYasgIM-j334196Aug59ecevsNUPgdyAt-dM5N7Cg1DHjMX5dzX6R66YszlapQvYhuU3cKKpNXGcbAwec1qCBEMXH4SfZh38i5IDIs3jb-0MwP1CjS0Q/s802/escanear0085.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="536" data-original-width="802" height="308" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjTw2xlegL-ZoOJRu9tsBpWkY3-wt1yVhq2rTZkT5boCFakT7XxWOZ-F6mHievza-2YziqpHRDYasgIM-j334196Aug59ecevsNUPgdyAt-dM5N7Cg1DHjMX5dzX6R66YszlapQvYhuU3cKKpNXGcbAwec1qCBEMXH4SfZh38i5IDIs3jb-0MwP1CjS0Q/w460-h308/escanear0085.jpg" width="460" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Colby and Vickie Landrum, 1981</td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 5.7pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 5.7pt;"><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 5.7pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 5.7pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>John
Schuessler interviewed Vickie Landrum the following week, and his initial case
report stated, </span><span>“Vicky
truly feels that this was not anything unnatural. She believes the U.S.
government was transporting and escorting something dangerous through the
area.”</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 5.7pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 5.7pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 5.7pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 5.7pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Bill
English of APRO sold the Cash-Landrum story to the <i>Weekly World News</i>,
and reporter Dick Donovan wrote his article primarily based on the audio tape
English sent of the testimony of Betty and Vickie. Allan Hendry of the Center
for UFO Studies (CUFOS) was hired to investigate the origin of the helicopters
by the Fund for UFO Research. In April 1981, Hendry produced the privately
circulated results, “A Preliminary Report on the Cash/Landrum New Caney CEII
Case,” which contained the first hint of the UFO-Military Industrial Complex conspiracy:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 5.7pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 5.7pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Reporter
Donovan who covered the story confirmed that he could not locate any bases in
central Texas that would take credit for the helicopters. He did relate a claim
made by an individual whose identity he would not divulge that the ‘UFO’ was
actually in contact with the local military! The crew indicated that it was
experiencing difficulty with this craft and required air assistance. Donovan
could not elaborate if this meant that the UFO was actually a man-made craft of
some sort. But then, would two dozen choppers be required for an escort?”</span></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;">In <a href="https://app.box.com/s/zubv3cz8ddfhmjpjg786bs0gvrsdwgtk" target="_blank">MUFON case files</a> (PDF File 5, page 59) John Schuessler’s VISIT memo, 9/8/81, “[Houston] Medical person called,” “(name on file)” with a story of a secret project:</span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<h1 style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium; font-weight: normal;"><blockquote>“Randolph AFB, San Antonio, Tx. personnel were
involved. Object was a classified device and was in trouble… Cash/Landrum burns
were from a radiation source.” Schuessler concluded the notes stating, “I have
been unable to verify this report.”</blockquote></span></h1>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 9.15pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 9.15pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The
sources are anonymous, but it’s documented that lines of communication between
Bill Moore and friends were open both to Dick Donovan and to at least one “medical
person” in Houston.</span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 9.15pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 9.15pt;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 9.15pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 9.15pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>The
Cash-Landrum case was the hottest news of the day, but John Schuessler did not
present a lecture on it at the June 1981 MUFON Symposium. Instead, a
cross-organization trade was made, and Schuessler spoke at J. Allen Hynek’s
CUFOS Symposium in Sept. 1981, “Medical Injuries Resulting from a UFO
Encounter.” Hynek was the keynote speaker for the MUFON Symposium. Bill Moore
also lectured there with Stanton T. Friedman, on “The Roswell Incident:
Beginning of the Cosmic Watergate.”</span><span> </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 9.15pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 9.15pt;"><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 9.15pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 9.15pt;"><span style="font-size: large;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .2pt; margin: 0.2pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Rick
Doty Briefs Bill Moore<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .2pt; margin: 0.2pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .2pt; margin: 0.2pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>In
1982, reporter Bob Pratt was working with Bill Moore on an ill-fated novel
titled </span><i>MAJIK-12</i><span> or </span><i>The Aquarius Project</i><span>. The plan was to have
Pratt write a saucer fiction thriller, incorporating “factual” information on
the MJ-12 UFO conspiracy supplied by Moore via Richard Doty. Part of the
information Pratt received was Moore’s 5-page typed report alleging to be notes
from his </span><span style="color: #2f292b;">Dec. 29, 1981,</span><span> meeting with “</span><span style="color: #2f292b;">Special Agent Richard C. Doty, AFOSI.” One page’s worth of
material was on the </span><span>Cash-Landrum story, reproduced below (a</span><span style="color: #2f292b;">ll punctuation and spelling from the original). A scan of
the document can be found at</span><span> pages 19-20 of this PDF from </span><b><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080227222334/http://www.mufon.com/documents/MJ-121982.pdf" target="_blank">The Bob Pratt Files: Sensitive</a></b><span>.</span></span></p>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 11.1pt; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in 11.1pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #2f292b; font-size: large; text-align: left;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">(4) With respect to the controversial Cash/Landrum, Dayton, Texas, case, Doty provided the following information which he said he had obtained directly from a Houston OSI agent whom he knows:</span>
<h1 style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #2f292b; font-weight: normal;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></h1>
<span style="font-size: medium;">The object in question was actually an experimental craft, developed jointly by USAF/NASA. The craft, which-was under development at Ellington AFB near Houston, had been flown- before with a different (conventional) propulsion system. More recently it had been fitted with an experimental nuclear system using a conventional system as back-up. The craft was somewhat circular in shape, [handwritten addition: and looked like a stingray (fish)].</span></blockquote><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">On the night in question (December 29, 1980), the craft was to be test-flown from Ellington AFB (a NASA support base near Houston) to Fort Hood (near Waco) with two pilots on board. Early on in the flight, the craft developed problems with Its navigational system which caused it to stray from its designated flight plan. Helicopters were called out from Ft. Hood to help guide the craft, but as they were en route, the nuclear propulsion system also failed. The two pilots experienced some problem in trying to start the back-up propulsion system, and had just about decided they would try to ditch into Lake Houston when the back-up fired and the escort helicopters arrived on the scene virtually simultaneously.</span></blockquote><p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOnw23TAV-8D74ULe7Nh2U7JjGi4MA3RgN_OiNFcNGznDPFehXixBxn5rhn98mf4lNYsW2dgAhn7slgVEagQA9dEz5qC42a0qJKuAw_ZEeceeJVJmmSEKonWvkbKAoW_S-8wf6FAdN1P4HZOkxyLXGPt0xpVc3gwlTQtyB41sK3Q0U7ImuozrT9g-8xg/s734/Doty-Moore%20Cash-Landrum.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="393" data-original-width="734" height="342" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOnw23TAV-8D74ULe7Nh2U7JjGi4MA3RgN_OiNFcNGznDPFehXixBxn5rhn98mf4lNYsW2dgAhn7slgVEagQA9dEz5qC42a0qJKuAw_ZEeceeJVJmmSEKonWvkbKAoW_S-8wf6FAdN1P4HZOkxyLXGPt0xpVc3gwlTQtyB41sK3Q0U7ImuozrT9g-8xg/w640-h342/Doty-Moore%20Cash-Landrum.png" width="640" /></a></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">There were nine civilians involved in this case. AFINTEL (with one AFOSI agent present) debriefed six of these (including two, Texas Highway Patrol officers), and had all six sign security statements. None of these was believed exposed to sufficient radiation to cause any medical problems, but all were checked over as a precaution. At least two were given potassium iodide by the AF physician who attended them. The other three, Betty Cash, Vikie Landrum and Colby Landrum, were not contacted by AFINTEL because of their involvement with civilian UFO people. It was determined that these three could be used to further the "UFO explanation" and thus provide effective cover for the real nature of the affair.</span></blockquote><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">NASA/USAF's reason for cloaking the matter in secrecy and confusion is to avoid a public outcry against nuclear propulsion research similar to that currently in progress against the nuclear power industry. It was deemed highly desirable that the public not be made aware that the government is doing any work in nuclear propulsion systems at all. Also it was felt that any admission that the government was involved in testing nuclear propelled devices so close to a heavily populated area (Houston) would be viewed by the public and the press as a callous disregard for the public safety.</span></blockquote><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">One curious aspect of this case is that the chief civilian investigator (John Scheussler of MUFON) is an employee of NASA and at the same time serves as an active CIA agent. (This, said Doty, was confirmed to him by ‘a friend’ who had checked the matter out.) Since it is certain that Schuessler is aware of the real nature of this case, it must be assumed that his activities on the part of the ‘UFO investigation’ are part of the concerted effort to confuse the issue in the eyes of the public.”<br /></span></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;">This formed the basis of the Doty-Moore Cash-Landrum myth, which would continue to evolve to suit their needs.</span> </p><h1 style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #2f292b; font-weight: normal;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></h1>
<h1 style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #2f292b;"><span style="font-size: medium;">A UFO
Family Feud<o:p></o:p></span></span></h1>
<h1 style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></h1><span style="font-size: medium;">The Moore-Doty story downplayed the central claim of the witnesses, that they suffered injuries from exposure to the UFO. His story centered on the UFO as a government experiment and it sounded plausible, blending known details of the case with a fictional scenario using real locations and military installations. The Cash-Landrum case had a lot of appeal to ufologists who believed in the government/military cover-up scenario, and Moore found Doty’s version of the story very attractive for this reason. <br /> <br />With Bill Moore on board at APRO, the group became a conduit for Doty’s bogus information, and the Lorenzens heard his secret project fable. Moore was somewhat circumspect in promoting it, relying on other people to hear and spread the story, people like the Lorenzens and Paul Bennewitz. As for Paul Bennewitz, he was driven to obsession from Moore and Doty’s falsehoods resulting in a decline in his physical and mental health. (For a summary of that convoluted tale, see <a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2019/12/bill-moore-on-hynek-and-vallee.html" target="_blank">Bill Moore and UFO Disinformation Accusations</a>.)</span><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span>
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F. Schuessler and William L. Moore spoke at the MUFON Symposium in Toronto,
Canada, July 2-4, 1982, “</span><a href="https://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/Canada/CUFORN%20(Canada,%20Fenwick)/CUFORN%20Bulletin%20-%20Vol%2004%20No%2004%20-%201983%20-%20Aug-Sep.pdf" target="_blank">UFO’s... Canada: A Global Perspective</a><span>.” Schuessler
lectured on "Radiation Sickness Caused by UFO's" and Moore spoke on "The
Roswell Investigation: New Evidence in the Search for a Crashed UFO." During
this event, Moore told Schuessler the Doty story about the origin of the C-L
UFO. The same rumor was printed the next month by APRO. </span><span> </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 2.65pt; margin: 2.65pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 2.65pt; margin: 2.65pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">“In
February of this year, there was a rumor going the rounds to the effect that
the U.S. government was paying all of the medical expenses of Betty Cash and Vicki
Landrum… After hearing the rumor, APRO checked with Mrs. Landrum by telephone
and she confirmed our initial suspicion that the information was an unfounded
rumor.”</span></p></blockquote><h1 style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #2f292b; font-weight: normal;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></o:p></span></h1>
<h1 style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEF4y4-r848XsqfCmwhOotXe0437xP2txI8O0zNBQ7AiUgpIjr55l2Ks9dAakF3DFh4tinoZQkEaTk12KosQEwlXj239iQTnJRuqv7Y9D22F9njp5hZr0fA5Rbi4URgbrBkH5V2zPyxP8NW1TSHJNypC4xEkBgO3HIZxcFun2WQc4MlVsNdYU9Zb4ezg/s462/APRO1.tiff" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="353" data-original-width="462" height="306" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEF4y4-r848XsqfCmwhOotXe0437xP2txI8O0zNBQ7AiUgpIjr55l2Ks9dAakF3DFh4tinoZQkEaTk12KosQEwlXj239iQTnJRuqv7Y9D22F9njp5hZr0fA5Rbi4URgbrBkH5V2zPyxP8NW1TSHJNypC4xEkBgO3HIZxcFun2WQc4MlVsNdYU9Zb4ezg/w400-h306/APRO1.tiff" width="400" /></a></div></span></h1><h1 style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></span></h1><span style="font-size: medium;">Coral Lorenzen published “Rumors Permeate Cash-Landrum Case,” in the<a href="https://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20States/APRO%20Bulletin/APRO%20Bulletin%20-%201982%2006%2000%20-%20Vol%2030%20No%206.pdf" target="_blank"> <i>APRO Bulletin</i> Vol. 30 No. 6 August 1982</a>. </span>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></o:p></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p><span> </span></o:p><span>“We can’t give the reader a proper name or code name or number, but the object seen by Cash, Landrum and Landrum, was a U.S. experimental aircraft which had gotten out of control and was being escorted or ‘herded’ by the helicopters. their main function, however, would have been to cordon off the area if the craft were forced to make an emergency landing.” </span></span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"></span><p></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">[Later in the article,]“…I am concerned that Betty Cash and Vicki and Colby Landrum may be merely pawns in some kind of game. …The most likely base of origin for the ‘mystery’ aircraft would be White Sands Proving Grounds (just a hop, skip and a jump by air) in New Mexico. How often will American UFOLOGY sheepishly cover up for official boo-boos?” </span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span></span>
</span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">John
Schuessler wrote a letter to Coral Lorenzen of APRO on Aug. 15, 1982, regarding
APRO’s claims that the UFO was a secret project:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Admittedly,
I was quite upset when the APRO Bulletin carried an article claiming that APRO
knew what device was at Huffman, Tx on Dec. 29, 1980. Watching Betty, Vickie
and Colby suffer for months while all government agencies played dumb has made
this a sensitive issue. Fortunately, Bill Moore convinced me during our
discussions in Toronto that the story he had given you about the experimental
aircraft was interesting, but only a story. I have tried to find a correlation
between the story and the event, but without success.” </span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">(In
Coral Lorenzen’s reply of Aug. 24, 1982, she claimed Moore’s story was only
part of their evidence, and there was additional information from an unnamed
source.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><a href="https://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20States/APRO%20Bulletin/APRO%20Bulletin%20-%201982%2009%2000%20-%20Vol%2030%20No%209.pdf" target="_blank"><i>APRO Bulletin</i><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"> </b>Vol.
30 No. 9 September 1982</a>, </span><span>“The
Cash-Landrum Case Analysis” by Coral E. Lorenzen updated the story. </span><span>Lt.
Col. George Sarran of the Department of the Army Inspector General (DAIG) was
given the job of investigating whether U.S. military helicopters had been
involved in the Cash-Landrum UFO incident. At John Schuessler’s suggestion,
Sarran called APRO and spoke with Jim Lorenzen to see if they had information
to help the case. APRO balked at Sarran’s speculation that the copters might be
an “Iran-type rescue exercise.” APRO was convinced the helicopters “were
rapidly deployed for an Army ‘exercise’ on December 29, 1980, which went awry,”
and that the UFO was of a U.S. military origin:</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 9.15pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 9.15pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Well,
they haven’t discovered the secret of the UFO (propulsion, that is) but they’re
trying, and the U.S. has apparently come up with the next best thing - a
brightly lit aircraft utilizing a new propulsion concept, a side-effect of
which is a highly damaging radiation.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 9.15pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 9.15pt;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p><b><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .35pt; margin: 0.35pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Televising
the UFO Experience<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .35pt; margin: 0.35pt 0in 0in;"><b><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 12.05pt; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in 12.05pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In
1982 Bill Moore was making show biz connections. One was Jaime Shandera, a
television producer, who became Moore’s research partner. Shandera later said,
“we joined forces in June of 1982 and Falcon told us about MJ-12.” (We’ll hear
more about Falcon later.) The premise established in <i>The Roswell Incident</i>
was expanded to include MJ-12, the group that guarded the secrets that:</span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><ul style="text-align: left;"><li><span style="font-size: medium;">The Roswell crash was just one of several events where craft and aliens were recovered.</span></li><li><span style="font-size: medium;">Extraterrestrials had been here thousands of years, and they had influenced the development of our civilization.</span></li><li><span style="font-size: medium;">The captured UFOs were being studied with the goal of duplicating the alien technology for our military.</span></li></ul><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgHiT-6B70XGNZMJ4LBJ5RNwW6kuzxJlMrDOgam43qyS2OAY7P0qDzFhz3qEHiuc1SOeJV8gVkE_GAJRp-AJ7M-qsrLCKfWq-XFipGkuSCDNfsNi3ETgJr-aCerTTXvi9lVWMyX39IOHpwz9R9FAt1KgPtVku_eU0d2DxrQxBnh2SN3-6sg07pEaIl6lA/s1000/UFO%20Experience%20-%20San%20Francisco%20Examiner%20Sept.%205,%201982.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="460" data-original-width="1000" height="294" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgHiT-6B70XGNZMJ4LBJ5RNwW6kuzxJlMrDOgam43qyS2OAY7P0qDzFhz3qEHiuc1SOeJV8gVkE_GAJRp-AJ7M-qsrLCKfWq-XFipGkuSCDNfsNi3ETgJr-aCerTTXvi9lVWMyX39IOHpwz9R9FAt1KgPtVku_eU0d2DxrQxBnh2SN3-6sg07pEaIl6lA/w640-h294/UFO%20Experience%20-%20San%20Francisco%20Examiner%20Sept.%205,%201982.png" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Clipping from <i>San Francisco Examiner</i>, Sept. 5, 1982</td></tr></tbody></table><br /></div><div>The Cash-Landrum case was prominently featured in <i>The UFO Experience</i>, a television documentary written by Richard Saiz, directed by Ronald K. Lakis, first broadcast on Sept. 10, 1982. Bill Moore was also involved in it, as he described in a <a href="http://brumac.mysite.com/kirtland4.html" target="_blank">1985 article</a>:</div></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 4.4pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“During
the summer of 1982, I served for a brief period as a consultant to KPIX-TV, San
Francisco, CA, while they were engaged in making a special on UFOs which at the
time was intended to run only locally. (It was subsequently syndicated to a
number of other stations around the country.)” </span></blockquote><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .25pt; margin: 0.25pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Among
Moore’s contributions, he supplied the production <span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">with an (alleged) Air Force document about a UFO event at Kirtland AFB
in 1980, part of the series of incidents involving </span>Paul Bennewitz<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">. However, the </span>Bennewitz story<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"> was not discussed, they just flashed the document
as an example of continuing military involvement in UFOs. </span>Moore claimed
to have investigated the C-L sighting location during the time the show was
being filmed. The article was in <i>The Courier</i> (Conroe TX), Oct. 30, 1983,
“UFO victims plan to file $20 million suit” by Cathy Gordon:</span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0.65pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0.65pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;">William
Moore, an independent UFO researcher from Arizona who has also studied this
case, shares [Peter] Gersten's pessimism. "The government is not going to
divulge anything about a top-secret project that would violate national
security regulations,” he said, citing from the statute in the Department of
Defense manual. It reads, "Classified material will not be authorized for
introduction into evidence at a civil trial before a jury."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0.65pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;">"In
other words, they’ll lie,” Moore says, “the burden is on the complainant to
prove there’s something top-secret. But the government doesn't have to admit it
exists and they certainly aren't going to volunteer information. It's a Catch-22."</span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0.65pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0.65pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">Moore,
who tested for radiation at the site nearly a year and a half following the
incident, says he found “some very interesting things” on the secluded stretch
of road. He claims to have found dead vegetation at the site and tree trunks
that were scorched beginning six to eight feet off the ground, and only on one
side.</span></blockquote><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0.65pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;">John
Schuessler said the C-L witnesses were betrayed by <i>The UFO Experience</i>. From <i>The
Cash-Landrum UFO Incident</i>, pg. 103:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0.65pt;"></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Betty Cash and I were participants in a press
interview with Dr. [V.B.] Shenoy on June 16, 1982. The interviewer had led
Betty to believe that if everyone consented to participate… he would have a new
chromosome test conducted at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California. It
was claimed that the test would pin down the type of radiation involved …the
interviewer never made good on his promise to provide the chromosome test.”</span></blockquote><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 1.85pt; tab-stops: 213.8pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In the documentary, the C-L segment concluded by
saying, “the case remains unsolved, but it does raise some questions. Is it
possible that some unidentified flying objects could be secret U.S. military
test planes, and if so, what recourse do citizens have if they are injured by
them?”</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 1.85pt; tab-stops: 213.8pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Richard
Doty and the UFO Lawyer<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In January 1983 Richard Doty met with Peter Gersten, the lawyer who had filed numerous UFO-related lawsuits against the U.S. government, including the one for the Cash-Landrum case. Bill Moore was also present during the first of their two conversations. <a href="https://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20States/Just%20Cause%20(CAUS)/Just%20Cause%20-%20New%20Series/Just%20Cause%20-%201988%2006%20%20-%20No%2016%20-%20New%20Series.pdf" target="_blank"><i>Just CAUS</i> no. 16, June 1988</a>, page 7, contained Barry Greenwood’s contemporary notes from Peter Gersten’s phone call describing his two meetings with Doty.</span><span style="font-size: large;"> </span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYko6IQSflC3YiwCUitXcs9BNqI-l5nb5to-xr_aVwVuuejJgdKMkIE2CJR0MfV4uugt-dYglGZWrhf9iX2pIG4diYuUqP-vaDo7XqTnbCklp8v6AANfv9u7hDIJxFrTvJpFQU0QKvxTEI6VOVFUcUAsjQ4OUuLmtRh_Vz4xHSRIRbHxA5sP_u5fXA4Q/s801/Peter%20Gersten.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="632" data-original-width="801" height="315" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYko6IQSflC3YiwCUitXcs9BNqI-l5nb5to-xr_aVwVuuejJgdKMkIE2CJR0MfV4uugt-dYglGZWrhf9iX2pIG4diYuUqP-vaDo7XqTnbCklp8v6AANfv9u7hDIJxFrTvJpFQU0QKvxTEI6VOVFUcUAsjQ4OUuLmtRh_Vz4xHSRIRbHxA5sP_u5fXA4Q/w400-h315/Peter%20Gersten.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;">Gersten said, “Doty
wouldn't talk about anything classified. He said he was assigned to investigate
UFOs, among other things, for the last 5-6 years.” Among Doty’s tall tales,
there were a few about the C-L case:</p></span><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Doty
said Cash/Landrum object was government. The vehicle used had previously been
mentioned in Aviation Week (no reference given). Doty didn't know Peter was C/L
attorney when he talked about it. Doty said govt. has people in UFO groups
feeding misinformation and gathering data.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #424242;">Peter Gersten swallowed the stories from Doty as being valid. He
also called UFO skeptic Phil Klass on Jan.
15, 1983, and told Klass about having an unnamed source (Doty). Klass asked </span><span>if Gersten was suing the Air
Force program because he thought the C-L UFO was theirs. Gersten replied, “Well
only because both Air Force and Army denied any involvement with the
helicopters so we just filed a claim with the Air Force on general principles
because time was running out. But the information that has come is that it was
a military operation and possibly the Army, and the helicopters were
associated, did come from Camp Hood, and that the object is kept at Ellington
and is related to Snowbird.”</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Bill Moore allegedly received the Aquarius Project
document in March 1983, and it defined Project Snowbird as, “Originally
established in 1972. Its mission was to test fly a recovered Alien aircraft.
This project is continuing in Nevada.”</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Gersten pursued the prospect that the UFO was a U.S. government device and, in his April 24, 1984, Interrogatories H-84-348, included it, requesting:</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i>“16. Identify ‘Project Snowbird’, and ‘Project Moondust’.”</i></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Petitioning
Moore to Produce Cash-Landrum Evidence<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><b><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Following
the meeting between Moore, Doty, and Gersten, Moore was crowing about having
information, even physical evidence relating to the Cash-Landrum case. MUFON files
on the case contain correspondence documenting some of the efforts to get Moore
to produce his evidence. </span><o:p><span> </span></o:p><span>Peter Gersten letter to Bill Moore, April 13, 1983:</span><span></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>“I cannot understand </span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.25pt;">how,
</span><span>if what you have been telling me is true, you can continue to withhold
physical evidence which </span><i>is<span style="letter-spacing: -1.25pt;"> </span></i><span>material to the Cash/Landrum
incident. The release of any evidence concerning the cause of their injuries
must take precedent over your desire for personal financial gain. How can you
continue to withhold ‘soil samples, ‘photographs, and an ‘executive briefing’
while their health deteriorates?”</span></span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"></span><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>It was an angry letter, and signed, “See you in court,
Peter </span><span style="letter-spacing: -2.4pt;"> </span><span>A. Gersten.”</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Bill Moore’s reply from April 28, 1983, said:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 1.05pt 0in 0.0001pt 6.1pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“I decided that the best course of action would be to
turn everything over to a third party for an independent evaluation and
analysis. This was accomplished shortly after my last conversation with you.
When this process is completed, the results will be published without profit or
gain to me (or for<span style="letter-spacing: -1.55pt;"> </span>that matter,
without even recovering expenses), and you shall be provided<span style="letter-spacing: -0.5pt;"> </span>with a copy.” </span></blockquote><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Gersten
to Moore June 10, 1983:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Where
is the independent evaluation and analysis you promised. I promise you that
unless you voluntarily provide me with this evidence, I will pursue every
possible legal remedy necessary to obtain it.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Gersten’s
bluff had no results, but shortly afterwards Walt Andrus and John Schuessler
had a confrontation with Bill Moore. It was at MUFON’s 1983 Symposium in
Pasadena, California, on July 1, 2, & 3, 1983. </span><span>Walt
Andrus' letter July 18, 1983, to Fred Whiting: </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Bill Moore couldn’t or wouldn’t
provide any help with his ‘lead’ when we cornered him in Pasadena. This case is
serious due to the poor health of Betty Cash in particular.”</span></blockquote><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQtIRVUSl3KQtEnSrArlhIIDS2tZIVLZZf9TbyYNopleda2pIAtOIpNRKDwXSJqQ6Rwvwvg8He-4VTwFv8y-tI65FddFrmbDN5vn0toqUoJ4IqSx3sFuz4YyOS4JUL87xzCj0x0dqmnPY_YLFeV0baFJJ-b7W9Zky0-Knn-Be-AwTqZo9e2H1HAb8FLg/s731/Scientific%20Challenge.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="413" data-original-width="731" height="362" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQtIRVUSl3KQtEnSrArlhIIDS2tZIVLZZf9TbyYNopleda2pIAtOIpNRKDwXSJqQ6Rwvwvg8He-4VTwFv8y-tI65FddFrmbDN5vn0toqUoJ4IqSx3sFuz4YyOS4JUL87xzCj0x0dqmnPY_YLFeV0baFJJ-b7W9Zky0-Knn-Be-AwTqZo9e2H1HAb8FLg/w640-h362/Scientific%20Challenge.png" width="640" /></a></div><span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="font-size: x-large; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;">John
Schuessler’s version from his memo dated July 2, 1983:</span></span><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-size: medium;">"Betty Cash and Vickie Landrum asked me to question Bill Moore
about his claims of knowledge of their case - information that might help them
in their legal proceedings. I had no formal meeting with Bill, but we did have
several informal discussions.</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.05pt; margin: 1.05pt 0in 0in;"></p><ol style="text-align: left;"><li><span style="color: #222222; font-size: medium; text-align: justify; text-indent: 0in;">Why does he believe he knows the actual
location of the incident – not the location by Betty and <span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;">Vickie? </span>Reply: He cannot answer <span style="letter-spacing: -0.25pt;">now. His</span> material is in the hands of
someone else for<span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;"> </span>verification.</span></li><li><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p><span> </span></o:p><span style="color: #222222; text-indent: 0in;">Does he really know what the object was
and who it belonged to? He had an<span style="letter-spacing: -0.95pt;"> </span>informant
that had started giving him information on several cases. He shared some of
that information with Peter Gersten, and later exposed it on national <span style="letter-spacing: -0.6pt;">TV. </span>The informant got<span style="letter-spacing: -0.8pt;"> </span>in trouble and will not cooperate further.
That means any information Bill could have gotten is no longer possible.</span></span></li><li><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #222222; text-indent: -13pt;"><span style="font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;"> </span></span><span style="color: #222222; text-indent: -13pt;">Does APRO really have any information
that could help Betty and <span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;">Vicky? </span>Possibly<span style="letter-spacing: -1.45pt;"> </span>so – may also have an informant, but
they would maintain the information is confidential, so as not to get anyone in
trouble.</span></span></li><li><span style="color: #222222; font-size: medium; text-indent: 0in;">Bill shared other UFO items with me...
Since they don't pertain to Cash/Landrum I really don't care about<span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;"> </span>them.</span></li></ol><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><u><span style="color: #222222;">Conclusion</span></u><span style="color: #222222;">: Bill is a pretty good investigator… He
could be a real asset to the investigation; however, he has other priorities,
so we cannot depend on him at this time, no matter how important the
information is to Cash & Landrum. He may help at some time in the future if
it is not too late.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-size: medium;">(Distribution: V. Landrum, B. Cash, W. Moore, W. Andrus, P.
Gersten.)”</span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #222222; font-size: medium;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #222222;">Moore’s technique worked on Schuessler, but it was classic UFO
conman bait and switch. He couldn’t talk or share evidence because he had
obligations to protect his sources. As for the evidence, Moore essentially said
the dog ate his homework and his grandmother died. Betty and Vickie were given
false hopes from the Doty-Moore story again and again from 1981 on. John
Schuessler grew frustrated and wrote t</span><span>he
lead article in the </span><i><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130421022654/http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1984/January_1984.pdf" target="_blank">MUFON Journal </a></i><span><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130421022654/http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1984/January_1984.pdf" target="_blank">Jan
1984</a>, an opinion piece, “Estimate of the Situation 1984, the Sad (?) State of
Ufology.” Schuessler blasted the media, debunkers, and even UFO organizations
in general, but Bill Moore and APRO in particular:</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .35pt; margin: 0.35pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“I
have personally spent three years working the Cash-Landrum case… Dr. Hynek,
head of CUFOS, and Walter Andrus, head of MUFON, have given strong support. On
the other hand, Coral Lorenzen, head of APRO, and author William Moore have
been very negative and critical of the case. They have claimed inside knowledge
about the UFO, saying it was a malfunctioning government device, being flown in
secret around Houston, Texas. If that is true, why not band together in a
common goal and blow the top off of the cover-up. That never happened even
though the victims could have been helped out of a terrible situation. …Government
cover-ups is a good topic for authors and a good excuse for UFO organizations
to lean on, but without facts it is really of little value.”</span></blockquote><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Meanwhile,
Bill Moore was still at it. On January 21, 1984, Moore appeared on </span><i><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2012/10/bill-moore-on-cash-landrum-case.html " target="_blank">The Open Mind </a></i><span><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2012/10/bill-moore-on-cash-landrum-case.html " target="_blank">with Bill Jenkins</a> radio
show. When a caller asked about the Cash-Landrum case, Moore said he was, “very
familiar with all aspects of that case. In fact, I was the first investigator
called on the case. I put it in the hands of the people dealing with it now. He
again promoted the UFO as a government operation, speculating that:</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">“…what
we have in fact run into here is the test of some secret project-type vehicle,
which may be nuclear propulsion, and which went out of control and threatened
to crash…”</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Secret
Projects and the Cash-Landrum Legal Case<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.05pt; margin: 9.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">“Project Snowbird” was first mentioned by Doty to attorney Peter
Gersten in 1983 and surfaced again two months later in the bogus MJ-12 “Project
Aquarius Briefing Document.” Paul Bennewitz was one of the chief targets of
Doty and Moore, and he embraced their concepts, with the Cash-Landrum case
being part of the story. Here’s a passage from Paul Bennewitz’s 1985 letter to UK
ufologist </span>Timothy Good, as presented in
Good’s 1993 book, <i><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">Alien Contact</span></i><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.05pt; margin: 9.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“A deal was made between the Government and the aliens. I can
only surmise what it was, but based upon my evidence we helped build the base-
gave them the land- in trade for the atomic ship and the technology… We agreed
to the cattle mutilations… apparently helping in unmarked helicopters…”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.05pt; margin: 9.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Good followed the Bennewitz quote by saying, “the ‘atomic ship,’
I was told, is the alleged ‘Snowbird’ craft, which during a test flight in
December 1980 (escorted by more than twenty helicopters), was observed by Betty
Cash and two other witnesses… it undoubtedly irradiated the witnesses and made
them very ill.” <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></o:p></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj4vNRmPro3Ubw5WsPDKtA6DiO8mh8j-bGmJntUdwtMaZDY6i0qBWm-RmvzZq81FmUQ6MD8vOkAOYbMCjXMfvaPG3EojtkiGVP9L2TVmLxiW1opdXSqmvE0ui1T5lywO37LaE-s-Zy7lb7d0GjdUOlJh8kOgUOIBsjMsafqTdA0tqr5t75DASWFB9YGuw/s541/Bennewitz%20Atomic%20Ship.PNG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="541" data-original-width="450" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj4vNRmPro3Ubw5WsPDKtA6DiO8mh8j-bGmJntUdwtMaZDY6i0qBWm-RmvzZq81FmUQ6MD8vOkAOYbMCjXMfvaPG3EojtkiGVP9L2TVmLxiW1opdXSqmvE0ui1T5lywO37LaE-s-Zy7lb7d0GjdUOlJh8kOgUOIBsjMsafqTdA0tqr5t75DASWFB9YGuw/w532-h640/Bennewitz%20Atomic%20Ship.PNG" width="532" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">The Alien<span style="color: #2d2d2d; letter-spacing: -0.2pt; text-align: start;"> </span><span style="color: #2d2d2d; text-align: start;">Atomic Ship as imagined by Paul Bennewitz</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">Betty Cash and Vickie Landrum picked up Air Force “Damage” claim
forms in Aug. 1981, but they were not filed by Peter Gersten until near the 2nd
anniversary of the case in Dec. 1982. The claim was denied in May 1983.
(Appealed, denied again.) In January 1984, Civil Suit against the U.S. Government,
H-84-348 was filed, followed by much contention and publicity. The August 1985 </span><i style="color: #2d2d2d;">MUFON
Journal</i><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"> reported that Peter Gersten stated that chances of his winning the
case in court were "slim and none.” The lawsuit was finally dismissed
without going to trial on August 21, 1986. This was due in large part to sworn
statements by military branch representatives that the U.S. did not own or
operate any vehicle like the UFO described in the complaint. By chasing Doty
and Moore’s “Snowbird,” Gersten may have doomed any chance of the witnesses
getting their day in court. Without the trial to generate interest, the C-L
case lay dormant.</span><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"> </span><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">Until it was useful to
Doty and Moore again.</span></span></div><div><b style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"><br /></span></b></div><h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: large;"><b><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">Part 2:<br /></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">The Aviary</b><span> </span></span></h3><div><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">Richard Doty had been out of the picture for a while. He’d transferred
to Germany in 1984, but he returned stateside in 1986. He reconnected with Bill
Moore and was making new friends, too. M</span>oore
and Shandera were in touch with a network of ufologists, some of them with
government connections. <span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">Jacques Vallee described
their meeting in <i>Forbidden Science</i> Vol 3:<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<span style="font-size: medium;"><blockquote>“A secret group had gathered in 1987 at the Albuquerque home of retired Air Force Lt. Col Ernie Kellerstrass to discuss [UFO conspiracy theories]. Kit Green was there with Rick Doty, Hal Puthoff, Bill Moore, Jaime Shandera and Robert Collins.” </blockquote></span><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhc7O4QiwhFqYKsk4AuiiLxY0VC6BMwiAsnRdwFYRk-YNbAZEBWRTFNt7-mBkkfgFmXYfrULAZbp-bxtGm546Jtjz_OlQaE_qywThOm71ItHfRcnl1K6cgC1xoBO8F7sB_hqB3teZEz-ptAmKNc6QoMRXjwlPiSYmQKA8CtdfJVoPJJsNwbinygdNn80A/s824/The%20Aviary.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="432" data-original-width="824" height="336" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhc7O4QiwhFqYKsk4AuiiLxY0VC6BMwiAsnRdwFYRk-YNbAZEBWRTFNt7-mBkkfgFmXYfrULAZbp-bxtGm546Jtjz_OlQaE_qywThOm71ItHfRcnl1K6cgC1xoBO8F7sB_hqB3teZEz-ptAmKNc6QoMRXjwlPiSYmQKA8CtdfJVoPJJsNwbinygdNn80A/w640-h336/The%20Aviary.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;">Moore was fond of playing spy games, so he gave these contacts bird codenames, and collectively they were called the “Aviary.” Falcon and Condor were the names used for their alleged key military informers, Rick Doty and Robert Collins. Hal Puthoff told Vallee,</span></div><div><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span> “We were meeting these people with the purpose of hearing firsthand what was being claimed by the likes of Collins, Doty and Kellerstrass… Overall, I was quite skeptical of much of what was being claimed.”</span><span> </span></span></blockquote>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">One claim that must have been heard was Doty’s
version of the Cash-Landrum story. Moore
and Doty used the C-L case as a prop in their own narrative. T<span style="color: #2f292b;">he military angle fit perfectly to support their UFO
cover-up scenario, a crucial element necessary for allowing belief in the
Roswell saucer crash and MJ-12 stories. As </span>Area 51 entered UFO lore, it
helped the storyline, it was a real base with military secrets that could be
portrayed as part of the <span style="color: #2f292b;">“Cosmic Watergate,” </span>hiding
anything from crashed saucers to alien survivors. </span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>The story was supposed to be confirmed on tape. Ufologist
Jim Moseley traveled to Burbank, California, in September 1987 for a meeting
with Bill Moore and Jaime Shandera. </span><span> </span><span>The
two gave him a private showing of videotapes they had produced of “Falcon”
spilling big secrets about MJ-12 and UFOs. </span><span>“There were cheap theatrics of an alleged
intelligence agent in shadow… his voice disguised electronically...” </span><i>Shockingly
Close to the Truth!</i><span> by James W. Moseley and Karl Pflock, 2010.</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><b><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><b><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Dark Days</span></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>A lot
of UFO pioneers were lost in the 1980s. Kenneth Arnold died in 1984, J. Allen
Hynek in 1986, and Donald Keyhoe in 1988. APRO was essentially a mom-and-pop
organization. Jim Lorenzen died in Aug. 1986, then Coral Lorenzen in April
1988. Without them, APRO was disbanded. CUFOS tried to carry on in the Hynek
tradition by publishing the serious-minded </span><i>International UFO Reporter</i><span>. That
left MUFON to cater to saucer fans, which they did with their increasingly
sensationalistic journal and conventions. Ufology was headed to the “dark side”
with tales of evil aliens conducting abductions, mutilations, and more, while the
U.S. government was complicit – at least in keeping it all secret. Ufologists
and debunkers alike struggled to make sense of it.</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">In Phil Klass’ </span><span><a href="https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/alien.ufo/klasdoty.ufo" target="_blank">Jan. 8,1988, telephone interrogation</a> of Richard </span><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">Doty, he asked
about the 1983 meeting with Peter Gersten, but Doty tried to lie his way out of
it. </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>“[Gersten]
asked me about the UFO in Texas that exploded and hurt somebody. I said I know
nothing about that. HE was the one who said I understand it was a </span><a name="_Hlk102574071">recovered alien craft, flown by the government</a><span>--his
source had told him that. I said, well, I don't know. …he asked me a lot of questions,
but I never once provided, not one bit of information to him, or to anyone
else.”</span></span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"></span><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Meanwhile,
Doty and Moore’s work continued to spread</span><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"> confusion.
Their C-L lies were mixed with Paul Bennewitz’s beliefs about evil aliens
beneath Dulce, NM, and shared abroad. From UK ufologist </span><span>Gordon Creighton’s
1988 article in </span><a href="http://www.ignaciodarnaude.com/contacto_alienigena/Bauer-Lammer,Goodies%20Contacts.pdf" target="_blank"><i>Flying Saucer Review</i><b> </b></a><span><a href="http://www.ignaciodarnaude.com/contacto_alienigena/Bauer-Lammer,Goodies%20Contacts.pdf" target="_blank">Vol. 33, No. 4</a>: </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 8.1pt; margin: 8.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Disturbing
and persistent rumors… sinister small aliens [induced or coerced] the US
government [into a collaboration in] the establishment of a great alien
underground base beneath an Indian reservation in… New Mexico, near Dulce… in
return, of course for ‘advanced technical aid and information.’ …Maybe, for
example, the thing that burnt the Cash-Landrum party came from...Dulce?"</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 8.1pt; margin: 8.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Richard
C. Doty left the Air Force and began a new career as a New Mexico State Police
officer in the summer of 1988. He didn’t leave UFOs behind, though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 8.1pt; margin: 8.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 8.1pt; margin: 8.1pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Making
UFO History on Television</span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 8.1pt; margin: 8.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>In
the 1980s there were many live television specials on sensational topics, and one
of the most infamous was Geraldo Rivera in </span><i>The Mystery of Al Capone's Vaults</i><span>
where he found nothing. LBS Communications had produced the specials, </span><i>Return
to the Titanic… Live!</i><span> and </span><i>Mysteries of the Pyramids… Live! </i><span>For 1988,
they had</span><i> </i><a name="_Hlk106001562"><i>UFO
Cover-Up?... Live</i></a><i>! </i><span>Bill Moore
and Jaime Shandera connected with Seligman Productions, who built a 2-hour
television special around their claims and video tapes. In press for the show
in </span><i>The San Francisco Examiner Datebook,</i><span> Oct. 9, 1988, executive producer
Michael Seligman said that no one connected with the production “claims what
[Shandera and Moore] say is 100% of the truth. They are respected and have a
credible presentation. They've had contact with an intelligence operative who
they've codenamed Falcon and a scientist who they codenamed Condor… [who] are
part of the government and have been checked.” </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 8.1pt; margin: 8.1pt 0in 0in;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVAzHxgl9_bUEEklVY9p8BmhmxMKrt8943Myn__EF8u0H9dcodSJt4uSBg98wQ-onM8nfBBYMCXLPu--r_MzG8xu8DfjCwCfyH8KBSv2bTzhznhkOptYyT6s56tHAuBwLo9JpRCgr_pGkquh25zPvL0B4EISAX8NvmCXDOnTgmW3eF4ioEBlT1M9-2oQ/s1075/Cover-Up%20Live%20-%20Falcon%20-%20Doty%20Ice%20Cream.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1075" data-original-width="825" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVAzHxgl9_bUEEklVY9p8BmhmxMKrt8943Myn__EF8u0H9dcodSJt4uSBg98wQ-onM8nfBBYMCXLPu--r_MzG8xu8DfjCwCfyH8KBSv2bTzhznhkOptYyT6s56tHAuBwLo9JpRCgr_pGkquh25zPvL0B4EISAX8NvmCXDOnTgmW3eF4ioEBlT1M9-2oQ/w492-h640/Cover-Up%20Live%20-%20Falcon%20-%20Doty%20Ice%20Cream.jpg" width="492" /></a></div><span style="font-size: large;"> </span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>They were on tape, and short sections were played throughout the show, portions of the material Jim Moseley had seen the year before. “</span><span>Falcon raved at length about Jesus Christ being a spaceman; earth being under alien surveillance for 25,000 years; a shipwrecked saucer pilot kept alive by the US government in a secret location, where he enjoyed strawberry ice cream and Tibetan music; and on and on…”</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><i>UFO Cover-Up?... Live! </i><span>was broadcast on Oct. 14, 1988. One segment of the
show featured Betty Cash and Vickie Landrum telling their story. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></div><div><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgA4zIGUkOOs2DpYISlLY_BXFA0dbaiCJ5eqBp_MyZNERdz0VW1EDy8g4Gt1CRmEjfF9UtH8wymvpg5eMTzbfPtdOji1FJIc7rfLlc3dS_JeVSr8IPvZg7vLue1Hmcfy7NQ190Zkf9y96dIgHCJIUS4neQB1TaQP5viKPh33NAz5UMPybu_EqwesODdTQ/s715/UFO%20Cover-Up%20Live%20C-L%20art.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="480" data-original-width="715" height="430" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgA4zIGUkOOs2DpYISlLY_BXFA0dbaiCJ5eqBp_MyZNERdz0VW1EDy8g4Gt1CRmEjfF9UtH8wymvpg5eMTzbfPtdOji1FJIc7rfLlc3dS_JeVSr8IPvZg7vLue1Hmcfy7NQ190Zkf9y96dIgHCJIUS4neQB1TaQP5viKPh33NAz5UMPybu_EqwesODdTQ/w640-h430/UFO%20Cover-Up%20Live%20C-L%20art.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhDqX_RmOhJMz2CJZL31tBi6VPWKd-fPirrrvKzQdkRhG7nSdkgtzZizZEZ88A9FbCkMVw_bHXVuhjRXXC3bm1mQFvQRUaZj7ip9m_EPQjTaVr0QtgAB-Bw2HudPPbbutOYjX8KIRFQnaLzfsxtWLN3BiFBa8-oNA9egIDSAC6YolQc1bXRWOE5_ENuew/s841/Cover-Up%20Live%20Cash-Landrum.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="597" data-original-width="841" height="454" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhDqX_RmOhJMz2CJZL31tBi6VPWKd-fPirrrvKzQdkRhG7nSdkgtzZizZEZ88A9FbCkMVw_bHXVuhjRXXC3bm1mQFvQRUaZj7ip9m_EPQjTaVr0QtgAB-Bw2HudPPbbutOYjX8KIRFQnaLzfsxtWLN3BiFBa8-oNA9egIDSAC6YolQc1bXRWOE5_ENuew/w640-h454/Cover-Up%20Live%20Cash-Landrum.png" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>To wrap it up, </span><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">a pre-taped statement</span><span> of Richard </span><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">Doty in silhouette as “Falcon,” was played:</span><span> </span></span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #333333;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“The Cash-Landrum incident - the craft that was observed was an
alien craft piloted by military aircraft pilots. Although they had been trained
and <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">were </i>somewhat familiar with the
craft, they found that the aircraft did not respond to certain controls. They
radioed that they thought the craft was going to crash — standard procedures
for the military in any situation where an aircraft was going to crash — the
military would send up search-and- rescue helicopters. The helicopters were
following the craft. The craft experienced severe problems. It was <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">thought </i>that the craft was going to
crash. However, this craft did not crash.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #333333;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Betty Cash nodded approvingly as Doty mentioned the helicopters,
as if to say, “I told you so!”<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #333333;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #333333;">The show was not a big hit in the ratings, but </span><span>Walt Andrus</span><span style="color: #333333;"> said in the </span><i>MUFON
Journal</i><span> Nov. 1988, that it “was an outstanding UFO documentary.” John F.
Schuessler had some objections and wrote an article for </span><i>The Journal of The Fortean Research Center</i><span>,
Vol. IV, No. 1, Spring 1989, "Wishful Thinking as an Explanation for UFOs,"
where he alluded to “Falcon’s” story:</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“…Betty
Cash and Vickie Landrum encountered a large diamond-shaped UFO… Since that time
claims have been made that the object was a secret U.S. nuclear aircraft, a
nuclear powerplant gone out of control, an alien spacecraft piloted by U.S.
military pilots, and a number of other strange things. There is no evidence
that any of these explanations are true. In fact, most are stranger than if we
were to accept the UFO explanation.”</span></blockquote><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i>UFO Cover-Up?... Live!</i><span> had featured a phone poll for a Congressional hearing
on the UFO topic. Betty Cash seemed to be inspired by the show and became an
activist petitioning the government for UFO hearings and transparency. The show
was regarded by many serious researchers as a travesty, and Bill Moore’s shady claims
and associates were given a harder look.</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">On
July 1, 1989, Bill Moore delivered a lecture at the MUFON Symposium in Las
Vegas that has become legendary. Facing mounting controversies about the origin
and authenticity of the MJ-12 UFO documents and his own credibility, Moore
struck back. Along the way, he made a shocking confession that he had been
recruited by the U.S. government, tasked with spreading UFO falsehoods to Paul
Bennewitz and others. Bennewitz’s narrative remixed their MJ-12 stories with
ingredients such as cattle mutilations and alien abductions added in. It formed
the basis for the loopy “dark side” UFO lore spread by John Lear. Moore didn’t
like losing control of the story, and in his infamous lecture said, “I do know
from first-hand experience… that a large proportion of what we are hearing
today about malevolent aliens, underground bases and secret treaties with the
U.S. government has its roots firmly planted in the Bennewitz affair.”</span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqrTSNY4t6HKfRTu4ZZa4yN9TvLMtIIO5gAsTDX5mm5zMhKLSVDHSDa32EyLdhj7XW6k9_WdA8ABx79pAZZaTZxWO91C6_jzqbd0_fqXJBUlNq2I7PNpqI24SVkEqxPxFZGGJwpZEaHVbjCfDgpYacyS7i68wFDwRLqzvLSgId9c8zHrNaeOzlGNJGVg/s825/Lazar-%20Knapp-Lear.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="432" data-original-width="825" height="336" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqrTSNY4t6HKfRTu4ZZa4yN9TvLMtIIO5gAsTDX5mm5zMhKLSVDHSDa32EyLdhj7XW6k9_WdA8ABx79pAZZaTZxWO91C6_jzqbd0_fqXJBUlNq2I7PNpqI24SVkEqxPxFZGGJwpZEaHVbjCfDgpYacyS7i68wFDwRLqzvLSgId9c8zHrNaeOzlGNJGVg/w640-h336/Lazar-%20Knapp-Lear.png" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">George Knapp, Bob Lazar, and John Lear</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>One
of the offshoots was the notion of “Alien Reproduction Vehicles.” John Lear
went public with his outlandish UFO views in 1987 and shared them in 1988 with
the disbelieving Bob Lazar. From </span><span>“</span><a href="https://area51looseends.blogspot.com/2009/05/bob-lazar-true-or-false.html" target="_blank">Bob Lazar: True or False?</a><span>” by Glenn Campbell, “Lazar met Lear, heard his ramblings,
and decided to give Lear what he wanted. Lazar took Lear's paranoid delusions
and repackaged them in a much more intelligent and internally consistent
rendition.” </span><span>Lazar
claimed to have taken a job at Area 51, then he fed Lear’s stories back to him as
things he said he’d personally experienced. Lazar “confirmed” a central claim
of Doty’s Cash-Landrum yarn, that alien-type
experimental aircraft were being flown from a top-secret base, and he'd seen nine saucers. Lear introduced Lazar to George
Knapp, and from the Doty-Moore deceptions, a newish legend was born.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;">In Bill Moore’s epic MUFON
performance, he had attempted to portray himself as a whistleblower exposing
the contamination of ufology by disinformation, but it didn’t go over well. After
his lecture, Moore reduced his public role and involvement in ufology.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></p><h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: large;"><b><span>Part 3: <br /></span></b><b><span>Snowbird Flies Again</span></b></span><b><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></b></h3>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The
Cash-Landrum case received a big boost by being featured in a segment of the
popular television show, <i>Unsolved Mysteries</i> on February 6, 1991. The
show asked for tips on the case, and a<span style="color: #2d2d2d;">fterward,
some anonymous calls came in. </span><i>The Houston Chronicle</i>, Sept. 15,
1991, featured a review of the case stating: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The
reported sighting has attracted numerous other responses, including some from
the fringe. On one nationally syndicated TV special… "Falcon" and
"Condor" told wild tales of U.S. pilots having problems while testing
a nuclear-powered craft that had been acquired from extraterrestrials. Other
tips are coming from callers who recently saw the UFO story aired on the <i>Unsolved
Mysteries</i> TV program. Still others, claiming to be military… say they flew
helicopters that night… At least two callers linked the UFO to a classified
project, WASP-2, which they said was an experimental nuclear-powered craft
abandoned after 1982 when it couldn't slop irradiating people. "The
trouble is that most all the people with something significant to say were anonymous,"
said Schuessler. </span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Richard Doty spent much of his career being an anonymous
source, and he may have been behind those WASP-2 calls. Back in 1983 he’d<span style="color: #424242; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"> told Gersten the C-L device
had been discussed in </span><i><span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">Aviation
Week</span></i><span style="color: #424242; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">. The
magazine did run an article on the testing of an unusual aircraft, but it was a
small one-man flying platform capable of short flights. </span><span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .35pt; margin: 0.35pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgmsbvaSXoilRSCLOl9sJAxShb6J6ZShENhQmex24u5cunuJWrDUbRAEndNuYU7LgSBSqxIDbT6ZpwS5cKhf38OOrNO6Qn-l5Jhwn2FIlVU6N5k0H__vFnzkf4BXQctrE3eatdJsM_oZoDqDDIl2MtoSALrsYkBkQbCtYuhM07LvBvuf9PQIsHKADnCJw/s993/WASP%202%20AWST%20-%20Flying%201982.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="945" data-original-width="993" height="610" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgmsbvaSXoilRSCLOl9sJAxShb6J6ZShENhQmex24u5cunuJWrDUbRAEndNuYU7LgSBSqxIDbT6ZpwS5cKhf38OOrNO6Qn-l5Jhwn2FIlVU6N5k0H__vFnzkf4BXQctrE3eatdJsM_oZoDqDDIl2MtoSALrsYkBkQbCtYuhM07LvBvuf9PQIsHKADnCJw/w640-h610/WASP%202%20AWST%20-%20Flying%201982.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><span style="font-size: medium;"><a name="_Hlk102130280"><i><span style="color: #424242;">Aviation Week </span></i></a><i><span style="color: #424242;">& Space
Technology</span></i><span style="color: #424242;">, May 31, 1982, page 66, “Wasp Pilot Training Begins,” and t</span><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">he WASP II also received coverage in
mainstream magazines such as <i>Newsweek</i>, <i>Popular Science</i>, and<a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=VOmIdu181CkC&lpg=PP1&dq=Flying%20Magazine%20Sep%201982&pg=PA10#v=onepage&q&f=false" target="_blank"> </a></span><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=VOmIdu181CkC&lpg=PP1&dq=Flying%20Magazine%20Sep%201982&pg=PA10#v=onepage&q&f=false" target="_blank"><i><span style="color: #424242;">Flying</span></i><b><span style="color: #424242;">,
</span></b></a><span style="color: #424242;"><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=VOmIdu181CkC&lpg=PP1&dq=Flying%20Magazine%20Sep%201982&pg=PA10#v=onepage&q&f=false" target="_blank">Sept. 1982</a>. </span><span style="color: #424242;">Doty took a dash of truth and a barrel full of lies to produce
the C-L secret “</span><span style="color: #2f292b;">experimental
craft” yarn that morphed into the WASP II.</span><span style="color: #424242;"> Like the earlier Snowbird tale, there were some takers. </span><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">Betty Cash’s Alabama doctor, Bryan McClelland,
latched on to these “tips” and is chiefly responsible for perpetuating this
story. McClelland’s 1996 letter reproduced in Schuessler’s <i>The Cash-Landrum
UFO Incident</i> stated:</span></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“There
has been some suggestion that an experimental program with a military aircraft
called a WASP-II could have gone amiss and irradiated Ms. Cash but this is
unproven.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Tom Adams’1991 booklet, </span><i><a href="http://www.ignaciodarnaude.com/avistamientos_ovnis/Adams,Thomas,Choppers%20and%20the%20Choppers-1.pdf" target="_blank">The Choppers -- and the Choppers</a></i><span>, carried a tale that seems to have been a
variation on the Rick Doty C-L narrative, a second-hand story from an anonymous
pilot repeating the word of another anonymous pilot, he called “Tony.” From
Appendix 4:</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>“Tony was a helicopter pilot
at Fort Hood. Between Christmas and the end of 1980, there was a ‘special
alert.’” [They located the UFO and followed it for a few miles but were ordered
to abort the mission.] After their arrival back at Fort Hood…They were told
that what they had encountered </span><span>was an ‘experimental
aircraft’ that had gone astray… and had started to ‘experience problems.’ It was
crucial to insure that no one [civilians] got too close to it.”</span></span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The
X-Files Era</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Bill
Moore was done with ufology by 1994, but by then the mythology he’d sown with
Doty was being served up to the public as entertainment on television via <i>The
X-Files </i>on the Fox Network. </span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiZNEDMDWx9fZTSeSejDJka65qxU5YNa1eCjvIJ2f9nUzbykjCmDs5ZtKyt2wcGgIAZb5THUdrdHTo8i0ZG7P9VnLr4lftLX34YzeXP3g_BNdp68g9kntycmcyZN6G1S_YyVRFIaI1fn7QFAjPDIJz0uipJK4gYL-p10mbDYVlajJeQ5SmYED43JI4L0w/s825/Bill%20Moore%20Sightings%201995.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="548" data-original-width="825" height="266" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiZNEDMDWx9fZTSeSejDJka65qxU5YNa1eCjvIJ2f9nUzbykjCmDs5ZtKyt2wcGgIAZb5THUdrdHTo8i0ZG7P9VnLr4lftLX34YzeXP3g_BNdp68g9kntycmcyZN6G1S_YyVRFIaI1fn7QFAjPDIJz0uipJK4gYL-p10mbDYVlajJeQ5SmYED43JI4L0w/w400-h266/Bill%20Moore%20Sightings%201995.jpg" width="400" /></a></span></div><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Moore’s last known UFO-related media appearance
was a short clip in the television show <i><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"><a href="https://youtu.be/yyXm7F3l1Bc" target="_blank">Sightings</a></span></i><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"><a href="https://youtu.be/yyXm7F3l1Bc" target="_blank"> (season 3, episode 14)</a> on the segment, “Disinformation,”
</span>broadcast on Jan. 15, 1995.</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="background: white; font-size: large;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgPgO2ffMkVuhfl2ivZL-ZGBaQPfQC9srejX0giCDjV9_PAcphdYSMHWSAJuVbTT12WbjrSFanhjm-CedHZuzpXJel_BRTMJEHHwZ35Ruv8yflJKXpgedSybdPgLMbbgArA4h1RSC8BjrkJuZcGSvBxSug6fcsuOZj1OTLy_95imLjjcOvij1HSj4gWYQ/s858/Richard%20C.%20Doty%20circa%201989.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="651" data-original-width="858" height="304" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgPgO2ffMkVuhfl2ivZL-ZGBaQPfQC9srejX0giCDjV9_PAcphdYSMHWSAJuVbTT12WbjrSFanhjm-CedHZuzpXJel_BRTMJEHHwZ35Ruv8yflJKXpgedSybdPgLMbbgArA4h1RSC8BjrkJuZcGSvBxSug6fcsuOZj1OTLy_95imLjjcOvij1HSj4gWYQ/w400-h304/Richard%20C.%20Doty%20circa%201989.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">Rick Doty from Junichi Yaoi’s 1990 UFO documentary<br />for Nippon TV’s </span><i style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://youtu.be/U_LfkvrY_4c?t=2573" target="_blank">Thursday Night Special</a>.</i><span style="text-align: start;"> </span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="background: white;"><br /><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">Not much is documented about
any UFO business Richard Doty had in the 1990s. He was not a public figure but claims.
“I was involved in the 1997 UFO Conference briefing,” and also that he was an “avid
reader of </span><i style="background-color: transparent;">UFO Magazine.</i><span style="background-color: transparent;">” The National Institute for Discovery Science
(NIDS</span><b style="background-color: transparent;">)</b><span style="background-color: transparent;">, was founded by Robert Bigelow in 1995, and it involved several
players in the UFO-government arena that Bill Moore had called “the Aviary.” John
Schuessler was on the NIDS</span><b style="background-color: transparent;"> </b><span style="background-color: transparent;">science advisory board, and Dr. Hal Puthoff was
chairman of the board. The <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130828171216/http://www.martiansgohome.com/smear/v47/ss001110.htm" target="_blank">Nov. 10, 2000, </a></span><i style="background-color: transparent;"><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130828171216/http://www.martiansgohome.com/smear/v47/ss001110.htm" target="_blank">Saucer Smear</a></i><span style="background-color: transparent;"> reported:</span></span></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b></b></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>“</b>From Super Secret Sources we learn the hilarious news
that former Sergeant Richard (<b>‘</b>Rick<b>’</b>) Doty now does research
& investigation for the prestigious NIDS (National Institute for Discovery
Science), though this must be on a part-time basis, as Doty is, as far as we
know, still employed by the New Mexico State Police.” </span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>John Alexander of NIDS called
Moseley to deny Doty was involved, but years later more information would
surface. </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvAfMtdKboWissfu8neniG4yjqT9KJJf9WIGF_92Ni2-UNbh4ILD5GRY-1_TArwxzMLEwRtmk0uj1Yezj9vom1CQmFAdGuBTyad1nP8tGMpw4WsB4y45K7_O6ZDAbsbCJCQ2SyIO424svCbRQnzVSffLnN8cRXBBv-2zeUcxsNO3RO-tnvRsgK3s6qoQ/s710/Puthoff.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="361" data-original-width="710" height="266" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvAfMtdKboWissfu8neniG4yjqT9KJJf9WIGF_92Ni2-UNbh4ILD5GRY-1_TArwxzMLEwRtmk0uj1Yezj9vom1CQmFAdGuBTyad1nP8tGMpw4WsB4y45K7_O6ZDAbsbCJCQ2SyIO424svCbRQnzVSffLnN8cRXBBv-2zeUcxsNO3RO-tnvRsgK3s6qoQ/w521-h266/Puthoff.PNG" width="521" /></a></span></div><span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Doty claimed he worked for Hal Puthoff circa 1994-2004, and </span><a href="https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2020/02/dr-hal-puthoffs-8-february-2020-talk.html" target="_blank">Puthoff confirmed</a><span>
his employment of Doty, saying:</span></span></p></span><p></p>
<h1 style="margin-left: 0in;"><span><span style="font-size: medium;"><blockquote style="font-weight: normal;">“There
was a period where we were investigating all aspects of the phenomenon. Richard
Doty was a contractor for us, as were many other people. Some of his data could
be verified, some could not. I happened to like him as an individual.” </blockquote></span></span><span style="font-size: medium; font-weight: normal;">Seeking clarification, I emailed Dr. Puthoff, who replied saying Doty was hired for UFO research, but worked for EarthTech International (ETI), not NIDS. Puthoff said:</span></h1>
<h1 style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><blockquote>“First,
Doty was not used in the earlier NIDS work. As to our (ETI's) use of Doty as a
contractor, it was to get any input he could share about USG events, info that
we could investigate further, e.g., sightings in US and foreign countries,
claimed retrievals of materials from crash/retrievals, etc.”</blockquote><o:p></o:p></span></span></h1>
<span style="font-size: medium;">Even so, the NIDS network is likely how Doty became involved in Schuessler’s 1996 book, UFO-Related Human Physiological Effects. The booklet was a directory of alleged medical cases, and it included a section on the Cash-Landrum incident.</span></div><div><h1><span style="font-size: large; font-weight: normal;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9GDXPReoWkb4ihjp_AvjEXgu3y_8jACcVYB1x66zC6SjJk8FMmOqR5R_uvA9E3lXE7JwQB3XwwFxd5pZJeU84m8Qo6bSAiHx-cy8x4lFAdoThr8asAfHQWufJWx-Xc_mamg0Wkq5L1oQhjFGLkwdGAq6AwjadV0QVjW2e7xkRKkVvjM4OJgY2Wmkd5Q/s926/Schuessler%20-%20UFO%20Medical%20-Doty.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="746" data-original-width="926" height="388" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9GDXPReoWkb4ihjp_AvjEXgu3y_8jACcVYB1x66zC6SjJk8FMmOqR5R_uvA9E3lXE7JwQB3XwwFxd5pZJeU84m8Qo6bSAiHx-cy8x4lFAdoThr8asAfHQWufJWx-Xc_mamg0Wkq5L1oQhjFGLkwdGAq6AwjadV0QVjW2e7xkRKkVvjM4OJgY2Wmkd5Q/w481-h388/Schuessler%20-%20UFO%20Medical%20-Doty.png" width="481" /></a></div></span></h1><span style="font-size: medium;">The cover illustration was credited to Richard Doty and the artwork depicted a flying saucer above an alien-looking caduceus. We can only speculate whether it had the wings of a falcon.<br /> <br />Doty’s pal Robert Collins (aka Condor) was more public and posted in the Google Group, <a href="https://groups.google.com/g/alt.paranet.ufo/c/3R_N1zoZqtg/m/Mdjl2mZmU4MJ" target="_blank">alt.paranet.ufo on July 21, 1996</a>, where he repeated Doty’s tale: “The Cash Landrum case... is speculated to have been one of these ‘Reversed Engineered Devices’ gone out of control… a few of these reversed engineered prototypes have been lost in the Gulf of Mexico due to problems…”</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiU1GMsLGyy3LYr3krIBHfqaRy9ki_Yf76H09yvNeRbfluqRyBlIwx9AFQi0RS-XOzkJL66cR3MXhauxDtajJHx7KOnx0rrSwFSoSBmzrMetc3_Wmf6KGdV9j1FC8ARANMoko_kAPBAB_F8NTCFs6IP8PbnO9aYlPjCqUwGmJ0SQ6xrzGZAjAeic-bxMQ/s825/The%20Unexplained%20-%20Close%20Encounters%20July%209,%201998.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="825" data-original-width="825" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiU1GMsLGyy3LYr3krIBHfqaRy9ki_Yf76H09yvNeRbfluqRyBlIwx9AFQi0RS-XOzkJL66cR3MXhauxDtajJHx7KOnx0rrSwFSoSBmzrMetc3_Wmf6KGdV9j1FC8ARANMoko_kAPBAB_F8NTCFs6IP8PbnO9aYlPjCqUwGmJ0SQ6xrzGZAjAeic-bxMQ/w640-h640/The%20Unexplained%20-%20Close%20Encounters%20July%209,%201998.png" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">Betty Cash in </span><i style="text-align: start;">The Unexplained</i><span style="text-align: start;"> episode "Close Encounters"</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><i style="font-size: large;"><span style="line-height: 106%;"><br /></span></i></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i><span style="line-height: 106%;">The Unexplained</span></i><span style="line-height: 106%;"> episode "Close Encounters"
aired July 9, 1998,<b> </b>and it was
Betty Cash’s last interview. The re-enactment of the sighting depicted
an angular UFO that looked like a close cousin of the F-117 stealth
plane hot from Area 51. The narrator said, “Are Betty Cash and Vickie Landrum victims of a secret military program
gone awry? Has a conspiracy hidden evidence of that fateful night in December
1980?”</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In
November Betty was hospitalized for a stroke and she died on Dec. 29, 1998, at
the age of 69. A few months before, John Schuessler (self)published <i>The
Cash-Landrum UFO Incident</i>, a book collecting his files and memoirs of the
investigation. He briefly mentioned the spats with APRO but did not call out
either Bill Moore or Rick Doty by name, but discussing the case in a <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20160320093349/https://www.thiemeworks.com/an-interview-with-john-f-schuessler-executive-director-of-mufon-mutual-ufo-network/" target="_blank">2000 interview</a>, Schuessler was a bit more forthcoming.</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #151515;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“[We] started getting leads from people like Bill Moore that
this may have been a device that flew from Los Alamos to Ellington Field, which
didn’t pan out at all. Ellington Field was in the process of becoming a public
airport. There was no evidence between the two sites that anything had flown
across.”</span></blockquote><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>Richard
Doty Comes Out of the Shadows</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>In
2005 Greg Bishop published </span><i><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">Project Beta</span></i><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">, his book on the Paul Bennewitz story. It contained
material gathered with interviews with Bill Moore and Richard Doty, presenting
them as if they were as trustworthy as any other source.</span><span> On the
Cash-Landrum case, Bishop wrote:</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .4pt; margin: 0.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">“Richard Doty
thinks the craft was an atomic-powered antigravity-type craft that was on a
test mission to fly out over the Gulf of Mexico and land at a secure facility
in Nevada when it had engine problems. Bennewitz guessed (and was probably
encouraged in this direction) that the UFO was a captured alien ship, or at
least had been developed with ‘borrowed’ technology.” </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .4pt; margin: 0.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkSApVbDZul3VChi_rokEM7qsH6K0qfUFkYjehBSff6YAJHkJw457zbdfwunYp-m0UlJoN35wfpqfYOmIWpkh3yT5sVMDq8Mp0NCSz9yYeibNIwlRx9IgoA6vYGwLE23etrzUhat7z7Wfxaf18N_waWMsk0G-bj16i7MJbO0My6OfQN9MDSTSckwc7fg/s775/Project%20Beta.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="611" data-original-width="775" height="315" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkSApVbDZul3VChi_rokEM7qsH6K0qfUFkYjehBSff6YAJHkJw457zbdfwunYp-m0UlJoN35wfpqfYOmIWpkh3yT5sVMDq8Mp0NCSz9yYeibNIwlRx9IgoA6vYGwLE23etrzUhat7z7Wfxaf18N_waWMsk0G-bj16i7MJbO0My6OfQN9MDSTSckwc7fg/w400-h315/Project%20Beta.jpg" width="400" /></a></span></div><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .4pt; margin: 0.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .4pt; margin: 0.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>On
Feb. 27, 2005, Greg Bishop was on </span><a href="https://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/S5-Greg-Bishop-and-Richard-Doty-Coast-to-Coast-AM-with-host-Art-Bell-Interview-Transcript.pdf" target="_blank"><i>Coast to Coast AM</i> with Art Bell</a><span> to
promote the book, and brought along a surprise guest, Richard Doty. Bell asked
about the damage done to ufology by “official disinformation” he had been a
part of. Doty said, “Probably, it did some harm, yeah. Absolutely, not so much
what I did, but there were some others. You are talking about small level
operations that I did. Two that I told you about [Paul Bennewitz and Linda
Moulton Howe], two others that have never been disclosed… one of them was a
total failure.”</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .4pt; margin: 0.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .4pt; margin: 0.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Near the
show’s end, Bell asked about those other two operations for AFOSI. Doty said, “Well,
basically one of the operations that was successful involved an airlines in
Nevada that flew people to a certain location [Janet flights to Area 51]… That
was an operation, and the second one was the Cash-Landrum… [Bell interrupted
and wrapped up the show.] Piecing together Doty’s fragments, he claimed the C-L
case was one of his “operations,” perhaps the one that “was a total failure.”</span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Later
in 2005, Doty was deeply involved in promoting the <a href="https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Project_Serpo" target="_blank">Serpo hoax</a> with the bad science
fiction plot of an alien exchange program. Also, Falcon and Condor collaborated
on a 2005 book. <i><span style="color: #2d2d2d; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">Exempt
From Disclosure</span></i><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"> </span></b><span style="color: #2d2d2d; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">was a fantasy-filled</span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"> </span></b><span style="color: #2d2d2d;">flight by Robert
M. Collins & Richard C. Doty, and a section rehashed Doty’s version of the
Cash-Landrum case:</span></span><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 5.1pt;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Rick Doty and others have stated that… one of our
reverse-engineered craft gone out of control. …this craft was a very primitive
attempt by the US government to find a fast track, secret way to get us into
space and off to the stars using anti-gravity as the propulsion mechanism (part
of Project Snowbird?). …the contact had said, there were problems with the
materials, propulsion system, and understanding the <span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;">alien’s</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.35pt;"> </span>power system.” </span></blockquote><p></p>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjMBHm9PhOOigKjXC2q5k2mE2QR8rNG_Jm_PiPaRE3u6u11GWdFW5HZE7z0c7HnbEqKU6K1BBLA7HDU0DAADvN1_H04IEiSyrIsFBNsNtid20Pk_NlNDaUX_k0GBqQ86WazWTZZwN216TcAPRdme13NFX3jBPGFLu84O9OKQ6SdiKTdgy-YnybA45i2eA/s773/Doty%20-The%20Great%20UFO%20Conspiracy.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="359" data-original-width="773" height="298" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjMBHm9PhOOigKjXC2q5k2mE2QR8rNG_Jm_PiPaRE3u6u11GWdFW5HZE7z0c7HnbEqKU6K1BBLA7HDU0DAADvN1_H04IEiSyrIsFBNsNtid20Pk_NlNDaUX_k0GBqQ86WazWTZZwN216TcAPRdme13NFX3jBPGFLu84O9OKQ6SdiKTdgy-YnybA45i2eA/w640-h298/Doty%20-The%20Great%20UFO%20Conspiracy.png" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d; text-align: start;">Rick Doty in "The Great UFO Conspiracy"</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 5.1pt;"><br /></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 5.1pt;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The same year Rick Doty appeared anonymously in silhouette as a
government UFO insider (like he’d done as Falcon) for an episode of the TV
show, <a href="https://youtu.be/f0rFwhaYPhc?t=1155" target="_blank"><i>The World's Strangest UFO Stories</i>, “The Great Alien Conspiracy.”</a> Doty
claimed:</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 5.1pt;"><span style="color: #2d2d2d;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“I was trained by the Central Intelligence Agency and the Defense
Intelligence Agency. During my DIA career, I investigated unidentified flying
object sightings throughout the southwestern part of the United States. We did
conduct counterintelligence operations against people that were close to
obtaining the truth about classified programs. Some might call the operations
disinformation…”</span></blockquote><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkJABmRwjorVUFUWtuMx_VcKdrJ1-PQa9xRRk5PIfYUDGNZ31U1COg0yWL2sA8u522rPYDjNH8pHfCN3oD2lBc9PED3v709Y1lhNyCMXVsENT25_A-TofGDVghYdel2JfHZdI_afky-EaM1B1BkY5n7ZMp68ZsJoR1NP2D_KHpmFkTYG_bUKBzTPrYbA/s860/Doty%202006%20Laughlin.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="528" data-original-width="860" height="245" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkJABmRwjorVUFUWtuMx_VcKdrJ1-PQa9xRRk5PIfYUDGNZ31U1COg0yWL2sA8u522rPYDjNH8pHfCN3oD2lBc9PED3v709Y1lhNyCMXVsENT25_A-TofGDVghYdel2JfHZdI_afky-EaM1B1BkY5n7ZMp68ZsJoR1NP2D_KHpmFkTYG_bUKBzTPrYbA/w400-h245/Doty%202006%20Laughlin.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i>Mirage Men</i></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />Doty wrote an article about Serpo in the Feb. 2006 UFO Magazine, and attended the 2006 Laughlin International UFO Convention to be interviewed on film for <i>Mirage Men</i>. After that, he seems to have retreated from the spotlight.</span><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>The Snowbird-WASP Legend Lives On</b></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Vickie
Landrum died on September 12, 2007, but the UFO story went on. The last witness
was Colby Landrum, who was interviewed for the History Channel <i>UFO Hunters</i>
episode “Alien Fallout” that aired January 14, 2009. The show also featured Betty
Cash’s physician, Dr. Bryan McClelland, who recycled rumors and conspiracy
theories about the C-L case:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span class="fontstyle01"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"></span></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span class="fontstyle01"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">"There were a
large number of military people </span></span><span class="fontstyle21"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">exactly </span></span><span class="fontstyle01"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">describing
the series of events and the vehicle, and they could describe exactly what
happened. In </span></span><span class="fontstyle21"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">one </span></span><span class="fontstyle01"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">of those, they
said there was a vehicle called a WASP II, which was a nuclear-powered
personnel carrier that they were apparently experimenting with..."</span></span></span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span class="fontstyle01"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span class="fontstyle01"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Rick Doty received
public exposure with the release of the book </span></span><span class="fontstyle01"><i><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Mirage
Men</span></i></span><span class="fontstyle01"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> in 2010 and the documentary released in
2013. Despite his sinister history, Doty came off like a bumbling conman, but
there’s an old saying,</span></span> <span class="fontstyle01"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; mso-ansi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">"There is no such thing as bad
publicity."</span></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span class="fontstyle01"></span></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXNWorCqguQx-v7PlWIXPQBMtBe67TJxRmdRclQC10CuSKYWf5aMU1K3v531JoK3AEyp3QyGRdv--kfC7uI9RG6iG_iF_8cGKtYK0O0yyW8v0HhyyKHzJhldzLARERBZAWe5Hzwv-ZJv7_T-gHLkEPFkGRbe9LgVDzCivUdUUB4a1PJ9louRPPObCFNQ/s1000/Mirage%20Men.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="731" data-original-width="1000" height="293" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXNWorCqguQx-v7PlWIXPQBMtBe67TJxRmdRclQC10CuSKYWf5aMU1K3v531JoK3AEyp3QyGRdv--kfC7uI9RG6iG_iF_8cGKtYK0O0yyW8v0HhyyKHzJhldzLARERBZAWe5Hzwv-ZJv7_T-gHLkEPFkGRbe9LgVDzCivUdUUB4a1PJ9louRPPObCFNQ/w400-h293/Mirage%20Men.jpg" width="400" /></a></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; mso-ansi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><br /></span></span><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span class="fontstyle01"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; mso-ansi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">When I wrote to Rick Doty via the Internet in July 2014 asking
if he could tell me more about the Cash-Landrum case, he indicated he had left
UFOs behind. “Nope, not into that business anymore. Nothing more to say.”
However, he later added, “That incident occurred a long time ago. It was
classified then and I'm sure it is still classified. It did involve a
reversed-engineered craft with a nuclear power system. I know the classified
portion of the case but can't release that.”<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span class="fontstyle01"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhNtYNmxIahWYzLW4_7tLlB_Tv9Pt69av9-UZfb7ublb3RK86PT6b_wnFbS7RzoDp_qDBGTh8eF2swf_LSPBdeyxgNGFbva3I3FIONWv3OVw9dwJIVaO9XH41glWrJ7jGBWe_EaMQU5cQr2KQCqziJns_NGkb4iJpgyHHCWG5Z2OTIvOiWZc8Y5sw77BA/s637/Doty%20-%20Greer%20-%20Unacknowledged.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="350" data-original-width="637" height="220" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhNtYNmxIahWYzLW4_7tLlB_Tv9Pt69av9-UZfb7ublb3RK86PT6b_wnFbS7RzoDp_qDBGTh8eF2swf_LSPBdeyxgNGFbva3I3FIONWv3OVw9dwJIVaO9XH41glWrJ7jGBWe_EaMQU5cQr2KQCqziJns_NGkb4iJpgyHHCWG5Z2OTIvOiWZc8Y5sw77BA/w400-h220/Doty%20-%20Greer%20-%20Unacknowledged.jpg" width="400" /></a></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><span style="font-size: medium;"><span class="fontstyle01"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Doty came out of
UFO disinformation retirement to give an </span></span><span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3xK5O7Iqo0&t=5427s" target="_blank">interview</a> for Steven Greer’s 2017 film and book, </span><i>Unacknowledged</i><span>.
Doty was still working from the old script:</span></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">"I
met the four Air Force pilots involved in the Cash-Landrum incident in 1980. It
involved an extraterrestrial craft that we had reverse-engineered. And I know
that for a fact.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Since
then, Rick Doty has been in demand in UFO media circles and has appeared as a
retired government insider in numerous television episodes and podcasts. Doty frequently
discusses his alleged insider knowledge (aka disinformation) about the C-L case,
though he fumbles with the details and gives contradictory accounts of his
involvement and the story.</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Richard C. Doty was featured as a guest at UFO
MegaCon in Laughlin, Nevada, and gave several interviews about his UFO career. </span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“The
Cash-Landrum incident, 1980, <a href="https://youtu.be/7rES0rY7ah0?t=1257" target="_blank">I was involved</a> in that. The craft was an
extraterrestrial craft, but the propulsion system was one of ours. It was a
nuclear propulsion system… because [they] couldn't understand it, with the
alien propulsion system… They flew around Nevada for weeks… months… as they
flew from Area 51 down to an Air Force Base in Texas, they developed a number
of problems with it. It was gonna explosively crash and unfortunately the
Cash-Landrum people were [there and it] poured some radiation on them.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">From <a href="https://youtu.be/HJ91YbYsaAw?t=111" target="_blank">another interview</a>, “The Cash-Landrum incident<span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"> involved a craft that had left Area 51 and flew south and eventually had
the incident involving the family, and then came back, and when it came back, it
was in a hangar and I saw it, and this was in 1982.”</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><br /></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 1.05pt 0in 0.0001pt 34.5pt;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></o:p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJFBuijXuDAF4aXfXIGnSTl8uJ8dUJNX3xztQTj8S1S5eRh69yAza0Hbp6wOAspM8i78gh4EePN0Fl43zxD2WsmQwKD8Zqr7LKPfaoNGW7DqnoVxNOdiqzcBpiXedjR5RwBAJx5LUzsE4pCO5D0twW6PmQCTMeipketwNiNQccjAJTLrRJnaVgAsxTOQ/s969/UFO%20MegaCon%20Laughlin,%20NV.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="969" data-original-width="823" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJFBuijXuDAF4aXfXIGnSTl8uJ8dUJNX3xztQTj8S1S5eRh69yAza0Hbp6wOAspM8i78gh4EePN0Fl43zxD2WsmQwKD8Zqr7LKPfaoNGW7DqnoVxNOdiqzcBpiXedjR5RwBAJx5LUzsE4pCO5D0twW6PmQCTMeipketwNiNQccjAJTLrRJnaVgAsxTOQ/w544-h640/UFO%20MegaCon%20Laughlin,%20NV.jpg" width="544" /></a></span></div><span><div style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;">In
the publisher’s description for </span></span><span style="font-size: medium;"><i><span style="background: white;">Exempt
from Disclosure</span></i><span style="background: white;"> by Robert
M. Collins and Doty, it teased the “story of Area 51, S4, Aliens…” and said, “Rick
Doty… confirms some of the things that Bob Lazar has been saying.” When George
Knapp interviewed Doty in 2019 at the </span><span>UFO MegaCon, he</span><span style="background: white;"> asked
him to rate Bob Lazar’s credibility, “Scale of 1 to 10, 1 being completely
bogus, 10 being really real, where does it fall?” Doty said, “I’d say it was a
good 9.”</span></span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>In yet
another 2019 interview (</span><a href="https://poddtoppen.se/podcast/1453466171/my-alien-life/richard-doty-20-doty-is-back-and-nothing-is-off-limits-this-is-my-alien-life-2-full-hours-of-doty" target="_blank">My Alien Life</a><span>), </span><span> Richard Doty claimed Cash and the Landrums were <i>not</i> exposed to radiation from
the nuclear-powered engine of DARPA’s UFO. He said the aircraft did not descend
below 1000 feet and suggests maybe the witnesses “exaggerated” their illnesses.
In a seeming contradiction, he also says there was a secret settlement and
Betty Cash was paid some undisclosed amount to cover most of her medical bills.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Since
2017 Doty has given 40 or more podcast interviews, and he has appeared in
supposedly serious productions like Showtime’s four-part documentary series,
UFO. Doty had to use subterfuge to spread falsehoods to ufologists in the
1980s, but now they come to his door begging for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 9.4pt; margin: 9.4pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Mission
Accomplished<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="background: white; color: black;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="background: white; color: black;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The motive for Rick Doty spreading UFO fables over
the decades is interesting to ponder. Around the same time as the Cash-Landrum
case, there were many rumors that centered on the U.S. government having
captured alien technology. It’s possible that Doty was encouraging the spread
of those rumors to make the Russians fear our military might, or to protect the
secrecy of the development of projects like the F-117 Nighthawk and B-2 stealth
planes. Then, if we look at the other sensational material he was pushing, no
logical reason can be found for it. Doty comes off looking like just a scammer.
As for his actions against UFO researchers, Doty maintains he was a soldier doing
his duty, just following orders.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="background: white; color: black;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="background: white; color: black;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkgx3b1tLZOSbSk8dOJ0KsqI9koR_LA6uJd8Iwba0h1SJUcM-g7AEqWWOuLcXWDK20q8OHu_JT9lUYIsEPYNN2pOu0Bo3QBCNKnKWnM6GQim4WE2UXtUWsE4full437fnXlfANwHGYUIpx8pFRnwoGnJPcn3Azmwt2tW6DQIAaLGn5_HmiSBcjyUe0Gg/s659/rTOFdYvBJK4w.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="414" data-original-width="659" height="402" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkgx3b1tLZOSbSk8dOJ0KsqI9koR_LA6uJd8Iwba0h1SJUcM-g7AEqWWOuLcXWDK20q8OHu_JT9lUYIsEPYNN2pOu0Bo3QBCNKnKWnM6GQim4WE2UXtUWsE4full437fnXlfANwHGYUIpx8pFRnwoGnJPcn3Azmwt2tW6DQIAaLGn5_HmiSBcjyUe0Gg/w640-h402/rTOFdYvBJK4w.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><span style="font-size: large;"> </span></div><div><span style="background-color: white; font-size: medium;">No matter his motive, Richard Doty exploited the Cash-Landrum
witnesses with his alien-military hybrid vehicle yarn. Doty reduced them to
supporting characters in their own story and their plight became secondary to
his science fiction plot. The lies Doty told caused the lawsuit to become a
snipe hunt for a Snowbird, ending in its dismissal. Paul Bennewitz was a victim
of Rick Doty and Bill Moore, but so were Betty Cash, Vickie, and Colby Landrum.
They lost their fight, and our memory of them will forever be entwined with
lies.</span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin: 0.1pt 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: center;"><span style="background: white; color: black;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><br /></b></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin: 0.1pt 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: center;"><span style="background: white; color: black;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>. . .</b></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><b style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin: 0.1pt 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>For Further Reading</b></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-align: center;">Richard Doty was involved in distorting another UFO
case in 1981. APRO received the “Weitzel Letter” from an anonymous source describing
a sensational sighting. Later, “Craig Weitzel, who confirmed that he had indeed
seen a UFO in 1980 and reported it to Sgt. Doty. But his sighting, while
interesting, was rather less dramatic than the CE3 reported in the letter.” For
more details on this Doty hoax, see this item from </span><i style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://newtotse.com/oldtotse/en/fringe/flying_saucers_from_andromeda/2457ufo.html" target="_blank">The UFO Encyclopedia: UFOs in the 1980s</a></i><span style="text-align: center;">
by Jerome Clark, 1990. </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-align: center;"><br /></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-align: center;">Other resources on Doty, Moore, and Disinformation are: </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><i><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></i></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i>Out There</i><span> by Howard Blum, 1990</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><i><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></i></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i>Project Beta</i><span> by Greg Bishop, 2005</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">"<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20140328105832/http://www.michaelsheiser.com/UFOReligions/2007MUFONSymposiumNewMJ12Revelations.pdf" target="_blank">The Secret Pratt Tapes and the Origins of MJ-12</a>" by
Brad Sparks and Barry Greenwood, 2007 MUFON Symposium</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><i><span style="background: white; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></i></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .1pt; margin: 0.1pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i><span style="background: white;">Mirage Men</span></i><span style="background: white;"> by Mark Pilkington, 2010</span></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">For further details and documents on the turf war over the C-L case see the <i>Blue Blurry Lines</i> article:<br /><b><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2014/01/mufon-vs-apro-allegations-accusations.html" target="_blank">MUFON vs. APRO, Allegations, Accusations & Countercharges: The Cash-Landrum UFO Case Backstage Drama</a></b></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 1.05pt 0in 0.0001pt 34.5pt;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></p><br /><p></p></div></div></div></div>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-74919013596102730512022-04-29T08:37:00.001-05:002022-04-29T08:37:51.814-05:00Bill Moore and UFO Disinformation Accusations<div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">The 1980 Cash-Landrum UFO case was plagued with problems, and a significant one came from the false claims about it promoted by Bill Moore and Richard Doty. Their contamination of the case was briefly discussed in our article, <a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2014/05/mj-12-pratt-sensitive-documents-cash.html" target="_blank">MJ-12, The "Pratt Sensitive" Documents, Cash-Landrum, Doty and Moore</a>, </span><span style="font-size: medium;">and we'll eventually document their negative influence in greater detail. The following article provides some necessary background, focusing on other maliciousness by Moore. </span></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiH-g89OeGczaUys0W2b8Z0I2--uNPx1cXWrz-pONHzeHmS5dPAk2i1kro-L8f3WZzRvv69AgDlegwYj9ZZFU55AdibcwR2mv_SN4IOxWMlxYzNMGW7I1Al3L8YT0KOYC5_0yPgTVHUB7mY-Xbb-nyGBycq8C2OYdgflk7RiJm7mXCnaVc7HuGEWPI9_Q/s825/Bill%20Moore-%20Ufologist.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiH-g89OeGczaUys0W2b8Z0I2--uNPx1cXWrz-pONHzeHmS5dPAk2i1kro-L8f3WZzRvv69AgDlegwYj9ZZFU55AdibcwR2mv_SN4IOxWMlxYzNMGW7I1Al3L8YT0KOYC5_0yPgTVHUB7mY-Xbb-nyGBycq8C2OYdgflk7RiJm7mXCnaVc7HuGEWPI9_Q/w640-h334/Bill%20Moore-%20Ufologist.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><br /></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Problem was His Program</span></b></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">On July 1, 1989 ufologist William L. Moore delivered a lecture at the MUFON Symposium in Las Vegas that has become legendary. Facing mounting controversies about the origin and authenticity of the MJ-12 UFO documents and his own credibility, Moore struck back. Along the way, he made a shocking confession that he had been recruited by the U.S. government, tasked with spreading falsehoods to Paul Bennewitz and others. </span></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEihtftxUqcKIh1N2UG0tyjBak8SxYnjrFcqJrBeGDLKRD6BNAqzXlZ4YON8gg-sFzOaWOdoDnbj0kQ03OwJvcrcua_zaKZYYq-MzAEn66guqfSeWxY4HkUwUkujnYohiWqvHO9sz7Cw8iNsJrhTRynkCSO_Wifd4uLdqKHVdwXRgvFmnilQO9L8-2hBqg/s868/The%20Albuquerque%20Tribune%20April%2015,%201981.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="647" data-original-width="868" height="478" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEihtftxUqcKIh1N2UG0tyjBak8SxYnjrFcqJrBeGDLKRD6BNAqzXlZ4YON8gg-sFzOaWOdoDnbj0kQ03OwJvcrcua_zaKZYYq-MzAEn66guqfSeWxY4HkUwUkujnYohiWqvHO9sz7Cw8iNsJrhTRynkCSO_Wifd4uLdqKHVdwXRgvFmnilQO9L8-2hBqg/w640-h478/The%20Albuquerque%20Tribune%20April%2015,%201981.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Bennewitz on the traveling salesman road not taken from <i>The Albuquerque Tribune</i> April 15, 1981</td></tr></tbody></table><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><br /></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">James W. Moseley summarized the 1980s events in "The Paul Bennewitz Case Revisited," an article in <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130828155904/http://www.martiansgohome.com/smear/v47/ss000615.htm" target="_blank"><i>Saucer Smear</i> June 15, 2000</a>. A few excerpts:</span></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">"It seems that [Paul] Bennewitz somehow got in way over his head in regard to UFO research. He acquired film of mysterious lights in the sky, he heard a strange alien code over his radio, and he saw UFOs in daylight as well as entrances to secret tunnels in the hills near his Albuquerque home [near Kirtland Air Force Base]. </span></blockquote><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">Sergeant Richard Doty of the OSI (Office of Special Investigations) comes into the picture... It was Doty's job to misdirect Bennewitz into continuing to believe the messages were actually from the aliens!</span></blockquote><p></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">William Moore... was a friend and co-worker of Sgt. Doty's in that era. ...Moore admitted [they worked together on Bennewitz] in his famous 'mea culpa' lecture at a MUFON convention in Las Vegas, back in 1989. Moore also admitted to other ufological sins, and by doing so he effectively ended his career in ufology.</span></blockquote><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">Eventually Bennewitz spent a short time in a mental hospital...We believe that he is retired, and his son now runs the family business." </span></blockquote><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Moore responded to Moseley's article, but first let's look at a few key quotes from his MUFON lecture on two topics, disinformation, then about Paul Bennewitz's alleged means of communicating with aliens.</span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj70ZbLvQQJkqLUJFOuvLKAo3nLD99rW5gMcqnRP6JoriOKS1s4-rCiIR3xINvfZNkXcvbrsww_HcO2fiyfdA07RaWFIrTt_J3Mwzls58gCp8-1rhb9SD4WPomUwoH2dDFmLscgj-XDenOhTN2Y_w-E4Ezo-3Gr9WwhumblyQ9MwZFpv5_82L8fiq1LpQ/s825/William%20L.%20Moore.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj70ZbLvQQJkqLUJFOuvLKAo3nLD99rW5gMcqnRP6JoriOKS1s4-rCiIR3xINvfZNkXcvbrsww_HcO2fiyfdA07RaWFIrTt_J3Mwzls58gCp8-1rhb9SD4WPomUwoH2dDFmLscgj-XDenOhTN2Y_w-E4Ezo-3Gr9WwhumblyQ9MwZFpv5_82L8fiq1LpQ/w640-h334/William%20L.%20Moore.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Moore: 1988 in <i>UFO Cover-Up? Live</i> and 1989 at the MUFON Symposium </td></tr></tbody></table><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Moore spent a lot of time defending himself, essentially saying the end justifies the means. "I would play the disinformation game, get my hands dirty just often enough [while trying] to learn as much as possible about who was directing it and why." And Moore insisted that there were <i>other</i> ufologists engaged in the same game, spreading bogus concepts that came to be tenets of ufology.</span></p></div></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><p><span style="font-size: medium;"> On the coded alien messages Bennewitz said he was receiving:</span></p><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">"...Paul was intercepting some kind of low frequency electromagnetic emission or signal... convinced that he was receiving alien radio transmissions, and had even gone so far as to develop a home computer program capable of translating them into English. The problem, as I saw it, was that his program... could just as easily have been adapted to assign similar 'alien' translations to the various energy pulses found in ordinary Morse code!"</span></div></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">Later Moore stated: </span><blockquote><div><span style="font-size: medium;">"I examined the computer program Paul was using to 'decode' the alleged alien radio transmissions and communications, and I had a lengthy discussion about this matter with the late Dr. Allen Hynek who had also independently examined Paul's program..." </span></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></div></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>Accusing Dr. Hynek</b> </span></p></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">When Bill Moore wrote to comment on Moseley's Bennewitz article, he shifted some of the responsibility in the deception on to other ufologists. From <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130310210545/http://www.martiansgohome.com/smear/v47/ss000810.htm" target="_blank"><i>Saucer Smear</i>, Aug. 10, 2000</a>, the relevant portions: </span></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">"Regarding the Bennewitz Affair in general - two things which have never come to light and which might prove most interesting to ufoology are the roles played by doctors J. Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallee... I personally know that Hynek was still under contract as a USAF consultant at the time, and Vallee had very close ties with the CIA and others (although what his obligations to them may have been, I do not know). For those still hoping to uncover some hidden treasure in this whole mess, here is a good place to begin... Hynek's hitherto unknown forte had to do with providing Bennewitz a carefully crafted means of 'decoding' the supposed 'alien' transmissions he was intercepting. As for Vallee, numerous clues pertaining to his particular specialty can be gleaned by a careful rereading of his book <i>Messengers of Deception</i>."</span></blockquote><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEioYL7KLHqr6rUzUi3XCGb5z39vLxq_4nkoaNTztg3bCbKNg-GkN_WDcKiDZEq_ZaAxv2aNVeNtotgBJZGoHLzvklkhM60e5ZlDYv8xcpslnq-_KqrocbfCOrfybV-OE8Shlf9_gQ08kxgsBXAm3mmUrn78OZupDhnxDcyzzZtTtmPTSrY5s6wWfrAXmw/s478/Doc%20and%20the%20Kid.JPG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="412" data-original-width="478" height="407" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEioYL7KLHqr6rUzUi3XCGb5z39vLxq_4nkoaNTztg3bCbKNg-GkN_WDcKiDZEq_ZaAxv2aNVeNtotgBJZGoHLzvklkhM60e5ZlDYv8xcpslnq-_KqrocbfCOrfybV-OE8Shlf9_gQ08kxgsBXAm3mmUrn78OZupDhnxDcyzzZtTtmPTSrY5s6wWfrAXmw/w471-h407/Doc%20and%20the%20Kid.JPG" width="471" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">(Satiric illustration)</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">That was the first I'd head of these accusations, but Moore had said something similar six years earlier. Bill Moore was interviewed on Don Ecker's radio show, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120503022344/http://www.dqrm.com/shows/DMR/2011/wk30/dmr-37-w.mp3" target="_blank"><i>UFOs Tonite! </i>on June 11, 1994</a>. At 14:55 into the show, <span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Bill Moore said:</span></span></div></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">"There were a lot of <i>other</i> ufologists involved with this
and I have never discussed this before… <i>One</i> of those others was J. Allen
Hynek, who did covert work, who <i>knew</i> what he was doing. And he was very
much involved in one phase of the disinformation operation that was used in Bennewitz
affair… Hynek was part of this operation. He was under contract to the Air
Force and I have a copy of that contract in case anybody wants to contest this."</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"><span>A general discussion of the Bennewitz
story followed. After a commercial
break, Ecker asked him about alluding to other prominent ufologists involved in
disinformation in Moore’s 1989 MUFON speech. At 35:00 into the </span>recording<span> Moore said: </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">"Yes, there were others, and one of them I just named <i>off-mike</i>
and that will come up in </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Focus</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">. And I'm sure that's going to be very controversial,
because that individual has written a </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">number</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> of books. … it's about time
some of these other people had to answer for some of the things they were doing."</span></span></blockquote><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Seventeen years later, Don Ecker rebroadcast the show. Discussing what Moore told him on and off-mike, Don Ecker wrote
in the </span><a href="https://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/bill-moore-on-paul-bennewitz.8275/#post-111419" target="_blank"><i>Paracast</i> forum</a><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> in 2011:</span></span></p></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">"I had [Bill Moore] on my radio show</span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">... he claimed that J. A. Hynek and Jacques Vallee were government assets.
(Much like he said he was.) When I challenged Moore on that he stated on the
record that he could bring me proof to another show and I could verify it on
the air... I agreed and invited him back... I never had another contact again
with Moore."</span> </span></blockquote></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Printing the Legend</span></b></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><span>Bill Moore withdrew from ufology, and had virtually vanished except for his occasional letters published in <i>Saucer Smear</i>. But there was one notable exception, and it involved his accusation about Hynek. In </span></span><span>Greg Bishop's 2005 book about the Paul Bennewitz story, </span><i>Project Beta, </i><span>Bishop said this about Moore in the acknowledgments: </span></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>"[I] </span><span>thank him for his support, assistance, and longtime </span><span>friendship. This book would have been impossible without his generous </span><span>cooperation and incredible patience..."</span></span></blockquote><span style="font-size: large;"></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">Hynek is introduced into the Bennewitz with this allegation:</span></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">"After the close of Project Bluebook in 1969, [J. Allen Hynek] had reportedly continued to receive about $5000 a year... one of thousands of academics the government keeps on the payroll in case they might be needed—sort of like egghead sleeper agents."</span></blockquote></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">Then came the story of Hynek delivering the alien message decoder:</span></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">"The sole source for the following information is Bill Moore... Moore claims that he met with Hynek at the 1982 Mutual UFO Network convention. [They took a break at a bar down the street.] As they sat down, Moore brought up the subject of Bennewitz. They had a couple of beers... then Hynek dropped the bomb: Sometime in the midsummer of 1981, he had delivered the computer program (and apparently a whole new computer) to Bennewitz at the request of the Air Force, but did not tell Bennewitz this when he delivered the setup."</span></blockquote></div></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">Moore also told Bishop about Jacques Vallee being involved (possibly designing the alien decoder computer program). However, out of his veneration of Vallee, Bishop chose to not to publish that accusation. The book contained no mention of Vallee, except for citing <i>Messengers of Deception</i> in the bibliography.</span></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: center;" trbidi="on"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFoR3Tq9CMbY1IdtKcAhnq3QUPiPIFpYz9Qu8dFjAkYwOQIu-FdUwx95DaVjnmW0hnAgmE75Hmm-KTwFkjBpOX737MdUJOKsoipsh071EBf0Y0uhaV0a1LP27bxl2HTaShV0cWMVTY1Hvf8U3lQnYNcqSCo9K02sDh0ZR4wi7RhqGbtMJPjc3L61E9tg/s825/Print%20the%20Legend.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="250" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFoR3Tq9CMbY1IdtKcAhnq3QUPiPIFpYz9Qu8dFjAkYwOQIu-FdUwx95DaVjnmW0hnAgmE75Hmm-KTwFkjBpOX737MdUJOKsoipsh071EBf0Y0uhaV0a1LP27bxl2HTaShV0cWMVTY1Hvf8U3lQnYNcqSCo9K02sDh0ZR4wi7RhqGbtMJPjc3L61E9tg/w479-h250/Print%20the%20Legend.png" width="479" /></a></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><br /></div><span style="font-size: medium;">Bill Moore claimed in his 1994 interview with Don Ecker that his infamous MUFON speech was intended to lay the foundation for a greater disclosures and documentation. They never came. A decade later, Moore was a prime opportunity to present his evidence with <i>Project Beta</i>, but we got more talk.</span><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">Since then, Bill Moore's unproven claim about Hynek has been repeated and cited in UFO articles and books, including <i>Mirage Men</i> by Mark Pilkington in 2010, and once again by Greg Bishop in the 2016 essay anthology, <i>It Defies Language!</i></span></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizpf1evoY4vXvLx18dBFpe03dhVkQV5zpSiKYPd_oPK3wSRsYG99aBoFXwHnm6JlZDJo5y3rQWziGXGdNNhz390Y9irO04naU6CAKwgITBD_QA5TO8U_rOL3h_A7i-E2azZtCSGFeFuda6bPWzxB_rsr4Gy6rcWyOqBqUI1hVIBrU_wBJC3EpHuhb1ww/s431/It%20Defies%20Lanuage%20-%202016.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="233" data-original-width="431" height="249" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizpf1evoY4vXvLx18dBFpe03dhVkQV5zpSiKYPd_oPK3wSRsYG99aBoFXwHnm6JlZDJo5y3rQWziGXGdNNhz390Y9irO04naU6CAKwgITBD_QA5TO8U_rOL3h_A7i-E2azZtCSGFeFuda6bPWzxB_rsr4Gy6rcWyOqBqUI1hVIBrU_wBJC3EpHuhb1ww/w462-h249/It%20Defies%20Lanuage%20-%202016.jpg" width="462" /></a></div><br /><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">Jacques Vallee cited the Hynek anecdote from <i>Project Beta</i> in footnote in <i>Forbidden Science 4: The Spring Hill Chronicles</i>, but did he not mention anything about Moore's accusations about his own supposed involvement in Bennewitz-era disinformation.</span></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0AE8ueqW0597BCP13jL4XlSDu9UvpL_sioCKK1tTcbpv0-aKTNLoHaKW2K1GLRKiMXMWRo8X8aPd7sbtpt__i4dgdizeYiPjSjW5Uh9a-E-PVXEOdvz7pOe_Gae3_QFOi7rXPGWgVfIdU_aF0ETi8uSHZh-vmZ5jqEk4_LV_0nl0md-up_rnjEEoJLA/s768/Forbidden%20Science%20IV%20page%2052.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="257" data-original-width="768" height="214" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0AE8ueqW0597BCP13jL4XlSDu9UvpL_sioCKK1tTcbpv0-aKTNLoHaKW2K1GLRKiMXMWRo8X8aPd7sbtpt__i4dgdizeYiPjSjW5Uh9a-E-PVXEOdvz7pOe_Gae3_QFOi7rXPGWgVfIdU_aF0ETi8uSHZh-vmZ5jqEk4_LV_0nl0md-up_rnjEEoJLA/w640-h214/Forbidden%20Science%20IV%20page%2052.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i style="text-align: left;">Forbidden Science 4: The Spring Hill Chronicles</i><span style="text-align: left;">, 2019, page 52. </span></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;">Moore's accusation about Jacques Vallee never caught hold, but as of this writing, the rumor about Hynek as a disinformation delivery boy still continues to circulate in print. The "evidence" for both is insubstantial <span face="Roboto, arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #202124; font-size: 16px;">—</span> stories from Bill Moore. A quote from Moore's infamous lecture seems an appropriate commentary on the situation:</span></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">"One of the problems the UFOlogy movement has with its image is that there is a significant number of people involved with it who support this sort of half-assed journalism."</span></blockquote><p style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">. . . </span></b></p></div></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: center;" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: center;" trbidi="on"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Bill Moore's 1989 MUFON Symposium Lecture</span></b></div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;"><div style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Bill Moore's lecture sounded much like sermon. He played the crowd by lauding the goals of ufology and cursed the devil debunker Phil Klass. Where Moore lost support was when he told the Bennewitz story and said that many of their cherished beliefs are government-crafted falsehoods.</span></span></div><div style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"> </span></span></div><div style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Moore's speech seems to have been itself disinformation, falsehoods with a dash of the truth to help sell the story. As his own career and credibility as a ufologist was tanking, Moore's ploy seems to have been to either rehabilitate his status, or to take down the whole field with him. The lecture promised that more revelations would follow, but instead Moore left ufology and the show went on without him</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div>The full text of Moore's MUFON Symposium speech was published in the Nov. and Dec. <i>MUFON Journal</i>. On Twitter, <a href="https://twitter.com/bpleasies/status/1511163189559451648?s=20&t=SguFY7FjGzC_T17Xxao7KQ" target="_blank">bwp</a> shared the link to a PDF that includes text, Moore's epilogue. </span><span style="background-color: white; font-size: medium;"><b><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/14t0_4KEFv66XYwFZPRkvIy5chUYfDqiv/view" target="_blank"> UFOs and the U.S. Government</a></b></span></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><br /></div><div dir="ltr" trbidi="on"><a href=" https://drive.google.com/file/d/14t0_4KEFv66XYwFZPRkvIy5chUYfDqiv/view" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="462" data-original-width="761" height="389" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgtPZMjYywJPw-V1WFtU4SZceQDyq1QkT_6GSzDWLxEAir7fIFhfMMsnF6rjtlS-0pt-gDydtRJ-S9dm31PQWNeMDkw9gDQW_IbahAcsz8SDN5-i6NoDjRdTbsHcLRLQyWP7uu_U0GYdbxfRupqarSwkBqDAeHYhzGsT2R574kpvctSk9y5VE-EQkvxpA/w640-h389/Bill%20Moore%20MUFON%201989.jpg" width="640" /></a></div></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Lecture on Video</span></b></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;">There is a rare (but unfortunately low-quality reproduction) video of Bill Moore's infamous speech, recently shared on YouTube by <span style="background-color: white; color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times; text-align: center;">Matthew Riot</span>. It begins at 53 minutes into this rare video, after the segment by Bill English. It runs about 2 hours long from (53:27 to 2:48).</span></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><iframe allowfullscreen="" class="BLOG_video_class" height="349" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dwO6AY8YRR0" width="420" youtube-src-id="dwO6AY8YRR0"></iframe></div><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://youtu.be/dwO6AY8YRR0" target="_blank">Bill Moore's 1989 MUFON Symposium speech</a></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b>Myths Die Hard</b></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times;">As an epilogue of sorts, in 2007, news surfaced about MJ-12 and how it came to be. </span></span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: times;">MJ-12 was said to be a U.S. government cabal to control the UFO situation. </span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times;">At the MUFON 2007 Symposium, Brad Sparks presented a paper that he co-authored with Barry Greenwood. </span></span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: times;">The researchers provided an interesting</span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: times;"> look </span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: times;">into</span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times;"> how Bill Moore and Rick Doty operated, and showed how </span></span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times;">the two had recruited ufologist Bob Pratt to help disseminate their </span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times;">ideas.</span></span><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times;"> </span></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: times;">All the characters and concepts about UFOs and the MJ-12 group were already in play and they planned to use them in a </span><i style="font-family: times;">novel</i><span style="font-family: times;">. After that plan failed, Moore's partner Jaime Shandera received something in his mailbox too good to be true. It was a roll of the film showing documents confirming UFO crashes and naming the members of MJ-12.</span></span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: times;"> </span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="begins at 53 minutes into this rare video." style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="210" data-original-width="503" height="268" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-IGDOOoD1r_Oy1ofu4C4QO_5BeYy6A_JbANab-OWuuwaLPyCzt8aZnIzscuvBN3CRL7BIM_dNuigvNrCuV8uGqzQ09DpKjhBlzLXOFrPEkvVnQrNkONKntB74KwCSRuY41mThHW3orwRAMrCQ3XggM_saJRTbNfF3N3PTHhBgvu7Xiab8xDCfEHjwmQ/w640-h268/Screen%20Shot%202014-05-15%20at%209.23.57%20PM.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20140328105832/http://www.michaelsheiser.com/UFOReligions/2007MUFONSymposiumNewMJ12Revelations.pdf" style="background-color: white; color: #1e83ff; font-family: times; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank"><b>The Secret Pratt Tapes and the Origins of MJ-12 by Brad Sparks and Barry Greenwood</b></a><span style="background-color: white; color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times;"> (PDF)</span></span></div><div><div style="background-color: white; text-align: center;"><div style="color: #2f2a2b; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Jim Moseley said (in our <span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">March 27, 2012, </span><span style="color: black;">phone conversation) that while he considered Bill Moore a friend, he had come to regard Moore as a negative influence on ufology. Jim said Moore had "invented" the Roswell story as we know it, and spread nonsense such as the Philadelphia Experiment and the MJ-12 documents and lore. Instead of genuine UFO issues, Moore caused people to focus on manufactured mysteries.</span></span></div><div style="color: #2f2a2b; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b>. . .</b></span></div><div style="color: #2f2a2b; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b><br /></b></span></div><div style="color: #2f2a2b; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b><br /></b></span></div><div style="color: #2f2a2b; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b>For Further Reading</b></span></div><div style="color: #2f2a2b; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b><br /></b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"><span style="color: #2f2a2b;">Bill Moore's 1989 speech came in large part by him being cornered by the charges made from serious ufologists. See this article from </span></span><span style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times;">March 1, 1989, </span></span><span style="color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times;">by Robert Hastings for context.</span><span style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times;"> </span></span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b><a href="https://ufohastings.com/articles/the-mj-12-affair-facts-questions-comments" target="_blank">The MJ-12 Affair: Facts, Questions, Comments</a> </b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><i>The Roswell Files</i> site has some good resources on the MJ-12 saga, and I recommend this page on Bill Moore and his partner's involvement.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b><a href="http://www.roswellfiles.com/FOIA/majestic12.htm" target="_blank">The Majestic 12 Papers - An Analysis</a></b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times;">Don Schmitt, has himself contributed a lot of imaginative contributions to ufology, yet he casts stones at Moore in this </span><span style="color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times;">July 23, 2014, article.</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #2f2a2b; font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><div><a href="https://www.openminds.tv/william-moore-ufo-opportunist-agent-disinformation" target="_blank"><b>William Moore: UFO opportunist or agent of disinformation</b></a></div><div><br /></div></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">"UFOs and the U.S. Government" from the 1989 MUFON Symposium in the original <i>MUFON UFO Journal</i> issues, which also carried some editorial discussion of the controversy.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><i>MUFON Journal </i><a class="external text" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20110711143808/http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1989/November_1989.pdf" rel="" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: 100% 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat; background-size: initial; background: url("/web/20120122172728im_/http://www.theblackvault.com/wiki/skins/monobook/document.png") right center no-repeat; color: #3366bb; padding: 0px 12px 0px 0px;" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: times;">November, 1989</span></a></b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><i>MUFON Journal </i><a class="external text" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20110711143808/http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1989/December_1989.pdf" rel="" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: 100% 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat; background-size: initial; background: url("/web/20120122172728im_/http://www.theblackvault.com/wiki/skins/monobook/document.png") right center no-repeat; color: #3366bb; padding: 0px 12px 0px 0px;" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: times;">December, 1989</span></a></b></span></div></div></div>
</div>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-27409299895941531432022-04-07T15:46:00.006-05:002022-04-26T09:05:43.953-05:00The Pentagon UFO Program: Documents Released<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>Update:</b> The AAWSAP - AATIP documents on the DIA website under the heading "</span><span style="font-size: medium;">Unidentified Aerial Phenomena” were temporarily removed. After two weeks the folder was (mostly) restored under the new name, "Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program."</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>John Greenewald <a href="https://twitter.com/blackvaultcom/status/1512495859153268738?s=20&t=ZGVN74pIx_ei4p2SaxoXwg" target="_blank">shared this statement on Twitter</a> from </span><span>Pentagon Spokesperson Susan Gough:</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><blockquote>"DIA mistakenly selected UAP as the tab label for those documents. We’re working with them to change it to a more accurate name. As we have said before, while the AAWSAP contract allowed for research drawn from a wide variety of sources, including reports of UAP, the examination of UAP observations was not the purpose of AATIP nor the AAWSAP contract."</blockquote></b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-size: medium;">As a result, the links below to the DIA site for the documents no longer lead to the intended results. They will be updated once the documents are re-posted by the DIA. For now, use the link to the collection hosted by <i>The Black Vault</i> at the end of the main article.</span></div><div><br /></div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjixRILVpiFX7ObDi5qINbYeOAVAaiDzIEGv0cV-KgXAXet_FTBBmmSd-kN8qykirJQlOzXah7c81c-uq7wxM_VnKNySC2CSet1acrBTNpinvoBYqN2AwcH4T44NJcV1r4L8_a-ZovZzWevk6NumCzFmFkLZIkeyLBACwiQvNPVM88EhaV034jvAM55JQ/s825/Pentagon%20UFO%20Documents.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="429" data-original-width="825" height="332" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjixRILVpiFX7ObDi5qINbYeOAVAaiDzIEGv0cV-KgXAXet_FTBBmmSd-kN8qykirJQlOzXah7c81c-uq7wxM_VnKNySC2CSet1acrBTNpinvoBYqN2AwcH4T44NJcV1r4L8_a-ZovZzWevk6NumCzFmFkLZIkeyLBACwiQvNPVM88EhaV034jvAM55JQ/w640-h332/Pentagon%20UFO%20Documents.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Documents recently released from the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) provide more insight into the inner workings of the alleged Pentagon UFO program. <a href="https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/" target="_blank"><b>The DIA’s FOIA Electronic Reading Room</b></a> has been updated with a section for “<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">"</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program."</span> About 50 documents relating to AAWSAP/AATIP recently released under the Freedom of Information Act are now hosted there.<br /><br />The disclosure finally makes it clear that the <b>Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Application Program</b> (AAWSAP) and the <b>Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program</b> (AATIP) were the same entity. AATIP was the “Unclassified Nickname” used by Senator Harry Reid when asking for Special Access Program status and funding for the project. <br /><br />More than 30 of the documents are the subject studies, Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs), subcontracted contracted by Bigelow Advanced Aerospace Space Studies (BAASS) to fulfill the requirements of the primary objective of their contract with the DIA. The other documents include the contract proposal, PowerPoint presentations on AAWSAP progress reports, and correspondence requesting and rejecting SAP status for AAWSAP/AATIP. As of this writing, there is no documentation that AATIP existed beyond the termination of the contract with Bigelow Advanced Aerospace Space Studies (BAASS) in 2012.<br /><br /> <br /><b>Was AAWSAP/AATIP a U.S. government UFO Program?</b><br /><br />The 2021 book, <i>Skinwalkers at the Pentagon</i> was written by two participants of AAWSAP, James T. Lacatski and Colm A. Kelleher, along with journalist George Knapp. The authors state that AAWSAP was definitely a UFO program, but it also studied associated phenomena, such as the strange paranormal events reported at Skinwalker Ranch. In an appendix at the end of the book, it lists over a hundred reports BAASS produced under the contract, all supposedly delivered to the DIA. James Lacatski’s interest in the topic caused him to contact Robert Bigelow and work with Sen. Harry Reid to develop the program with the government.</span><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgenHRNOElxnFXRh_tuBN_kEImWahvn-DiykrxJOB-qlREwbJ7ssGLjdMeo807hu_PqnFL87QJa0FMCYRlX-FYZYoErTQaiadq0lxHKMQKWoLBQnXm2XDrRT23ahyxMn7lndLZddg7mqtKK/s887/AAWSAP+Contract+Illustration.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="887" data-original-width="692" height="466" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgenHRNOElxnFXRh_tuBN_kEImWahvn-DiykrxJOB-qlREwbJ7ssGLjdMeo807hu_PqnFL87QJa0FMCYRlX-FYZYoErTQaiadq0lxHKMQKWoLBQnXm2XDrRT23ahyxMn7lndLZddg7mqtKK/w365-h466/AAWSAP+Contract+Illustration.jpg" width="365" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: white; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; text-align: start;">The </span><a href="http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2018/12/aatipaawsap-publicly-available.html" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: white; color: #1e83ff; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; text-align: start; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">AAWSAP contractor bid form</span></a><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: white; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; text-align: start;"> </span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br />The BAASS contract with the DIA contains no reference to Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, UFOs or any such terminology. If it was a UFO project, it was camouflaged. As a result, there has been speculation that AAWSAP was just what the language stated, a study into future developments in aerospace technology that could pose a threat to the US. It’s clear that Bigelow was conducting UFO research with funding under the contract, and that Lacatski approved it. The question is: Was the UFO research secret outside the program? Apparently, yes.<br /><br />The newly released documents show that the DIA was aware of only the DIRDs and made their decisions about the program based on those studies. From the <a href="https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FileId/169176/" target="_blank">DIA visit with Senator Harry Reid, Nov. 19, 2009</a>:</span><br /><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><blockquote>“To our knowledge, the senator did not receive copies of these draft reports [DIRDS], although he was aware of the general topic list. Thus, we can not find a direct link between the content of the reports and his letter.” [Later] “Senator Reid cites the ‘identification of several highly sensitive, unconventional aerospace-related findings' that will 'require extraordinary protection.’ Although most of the unclassified reports discuss unconventional aerospace technologies, DIA is unaware as to which ones the senator believes are sensitive.”</blockquote></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FileId/169176/" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="553" data-original-width="628" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj81E2Bn3Wm4zeYHeuYgVw5XdIzn9R8GKnztYWNzXW0h9Q07TgI2YI9kVFYwPmq_r2546_PMA8xAa3FhvIDQvGUZFW1wNARnoyqUdRlY8ZzNRJY3Oaf6Kn6c8dqIhydeYbF4WnkBeUshN10mIM_HhNQdTc5pe7NcNM283PCHZXh9X6s1bX997aG8KxCOg/w543-h480/DIA%20visit%20with%20Senator%20Harry%20Reid.jpg" width="543" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">As a result, their conclusion was:</span><div><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><blockquote>“Based on the content of the delivered FY09 and expect FY10 technical reports, DIA can not find sufficient grounds under DoD regulations to establish a restricted SAP.” </blockquote></span></div><div><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">They did state however, that if the project moved instead into technological “research, development and acquisition (RDA) effort that lies outside the DoD Intelligence Community's purview.” <br /><br /><br /><b>Where Did the Money Go?</b><br /><br />To the DIA, the DIRDs were all that AAWSAP produced, but there was something justifying further expenses for FY10 (fiscal year 2010). In the PowerPoint presentation from mid to late 2009, “<a href="https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FileId/169138/" target="_blank">Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Contract – Update</a>,” slide 7 is “Option Year 1 (FY10) Deliverables.” At the bottom, it contains a box stating:<br /><br />“FY10 $12M also covers BAASS overhead, staff, facilities, IT, security, databases, etc.”<br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FileId/169138/" style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="867" data-original-width="979" height="566" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh19xbr2LadOe0UiDN8jHyh28xbNcfyUGwP8Ky4ZE2L4T7ilCRaTPZHJ3oPAj_Mc06F9Q7p-TRyG3_iPJcYXudfOCSuVK7S7luzl4dMuFra44iI6tdLCbuxNyetnZ1-4OODclVObxSaetevpopCtIpcXIvPLOX3E1-lLjMgSlVvIJGlat8DOiZ6C6OZbw/w640-h566/AAWSAP%20FY10.jpg" width="640" /></a></div> <br />In a previous article, <b><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/04/the-pentagon-ufo-money-trail.html" target="_blank">The Pentagon UFO Money Trail</a></b>, we tried to trace how the $22M was used by BAASS. That’ll give a more comprehensive look at what was treated as miscellaneous associated expenses.<br /><br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b>There’s No Such thing as Bad Publicity</b><br /><br />Media focus has centered on the 38-page DIRD authored by Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green, “<a href="https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FileId/170026/" target="_blank">Anomalous Acute and Subacute Field Effects On Human Biological Tissues</a>.” It’s the only of the documents that explicitly refers to UFO research. “Appendix A: Schuessler Catalog of UFO-Related Human Physiological Effects (Frequency Distribution)” relies on data from a UFO book:<br /><blockquote>“The Schuessler catalog, <i>UFO-Related Human Physiological Effects</i>, was complied in 1996 by MUFON's past Director, John F. Schuessler. Covering the time period 1873 - 1994, the catalog comprises a summary of 356 selected cases of UFO-induced physiological effects on humans during close encounters.”</blockquote><p>The appendix included a frequency listing of over 50 physiological effects allegedly experienced in UFO encounters and abductions, ranging from skin discomfort to electromagnetic effects on vehicles. The tabloid media focused on the sensational and quoted the passage mentioning the case of an “unaccounted-for pregnancy.” </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://files.afu.se/Downloads/Books/Digitized_by_AFU/Schuessler%2C%20John%20F%20-%20UFO-related%20human%20physiological%20effects.pdf" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="731" data-original-width="1083" height="433" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgbOzte3jOdBrFMqyX1yXktVtHbnVpYD9Z8AQscgeZ16zqe9gLo7GMN2ZGlAHZpwYDV7gcbSyB9i-H4-F63Wns5DY0EZ_DIWIEDnIOQ1-vV91Xxy477uHNjla6wuZrPsmZPsLQ6W-Ze7mTY5Y_lsMvHzDka9jvUovapXY_NZlL5vZSalxXojKAeUNwiFA/w640-h433/UFO-Related%20Human%20Physiological%20Effects.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br />As Dr. <a href="https://twitter.com/strategic_doubt/status/1511471909166272515?s=20&t=Bn3WkLtb-zxAubwGrzZNGw" target="_blank">Adam Kehoe</a> noted in a series on Twitter, Schuessler’s book <i><a href="https://files.afu.se/Downloads/Books/Digitized_by_AFU/Schuessler%2C%20John%20F%20-%20UFO-related%20human%20physiological%20effects.pdf" target="_blank">UFO-Related Human Physiological Effects</a>,</i> </span></div><div><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><blockquote>“… is a catalog that is derived from reports in ‘newspapers, magazines, UFO organization journals,’ etc… The quality of sources is often poor, including publications like <i>National Enquirer</i>… <i>Flying Saucer Review</i>… The problem is structural. This is not data: it is a collection of stories.”</blockquote>Kehoe concluded by discussing Green’s paper and the other DIRDs:<br /><blockquote>“Returning to the DIA paper, the use of the MUFON material is not a throwaway reference… Because these documents were produced as the result of a DIA contract, they have an aura of mystery and authority. However, chasing the references shows weak underpinnings.”</blockquote>Of the 1500 or so documents released, Dr. Green’s paper represents just about 2.5% of them. Yet the sensational UFO material within has gotten all the press. John Schuessler was a key member of Robert Bigelow’s National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS), and in his leadership role in MUFON, the facilitator for their contract with BAASS to provide UFO data and investigations. It’s poetic justice that Schuessler’s work is responsible for the AATIP story getting tabloid press. It's the kind of sketchy data that Bigelow’s project was founded on, so in that sense, maybe the most accurate portrayal yet.<br /><br />The documents are available for now for us to read and judge for ourselves.<br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;">You can find the AAWSAP/AATIP documents at:</div><br />The Defense Intelligence Agency’s <a href="https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/" target="_blank">FOIA Electronic Reading Room</a>, section: “<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">"</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman";">Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.</span>” <br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/" style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="516" data-original-width="732" height="283" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqQU6vDxc6cWNSTSFPHmE0WXS6XCVPkaSSAIgRXBtXMR7WEn2RHpXKq9DWAne-GsJHvCypMOKayKo_Jts6AXT3b2B_LC-XGWO4bReE6pR-2sJRxQbRiT_itAXXTRtUDZSZJGVvg2lE3QtL7lsntnDtExAgZXE2XTsGupNFWx2BRb-ivKtsPSthXBaGLA/w400-h283/DIA%20FOIA.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br />The DIA’s publication of the AAWSAP/AATIP documents is a bit jumbled. John Greenewald at <i>The Black Vault</i> has published a page that is more user-friendly organized f, arranging the documents in chronological order and displaying both the DIA file name and title or description. <a href="https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/the-advanced-aerospace-weapon-system-applications-program-aawsap-documentation/" target="_blank">The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) Documentation</a>.<br /><br /><br />For a deeper examination into the AAWSAP and AATIP saga, see the earlier articles at Blue Blurry Lines, many of which were co-authored by Roger Glassel:<br /><br /> </span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;">Part one uncovered a trove of information about the origins of AATIP, about the contract between the Pentagon and Robert Bigelow (BAASS), and secret subcontracts with the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) to produce technical papers and furnish them with case files and access to investigation sites. Documents were reproduced from the MUFON Advanced Technology Establishment (MATE) and the contracts between the group and Bigelow.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><span style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/the-pentagon-ufo-programs-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiVR7my8a-C8G5tIV2NpPBmxQwhGteC9rLLHFzzVPUfldXn1eho-e2g2v5j_px6PHm5UUyTAcuAh9OrOvoVfq9f8H_wuX_HdEIMmEEeJOxOSgJ7MxZT5OL2yA6ApqRO41QmEMpqlV1hLorT/w640-h334/BAASS-MUFON+Saga.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/the-pentagon-ufo-programs-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="background-color: white; color: #021eaa; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;"><b>The Pentagon UFO Program’s Secret Partner</b></span></a><span style="color: #440b94; font-family: Times New Roman, Times, FreeSerif, serif;"><span style="background-color: white;"> </span></span>March 17, 2020</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">In the second part of the article, participants of the secret MUFON contracts spoke about their involvement and the fact that most of them were unaware that Bigelow’s sponsor was secretly the US government.</span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><span style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/breaking-silence-aatips-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhcgUpCgzm85M6fzbeGUD4_77C0hs6eVVaM5ThREEpTzMALcq1mRDx2seUtjvAuUN0F7ezkso4Enz3TVqwhmgxFR_8eghEI_GGwcvpheTV81cyLhVeDpAPWtdWHa1RQQJbscG9n4LrNQjsJ/w640-h334/Conspiracy+Theory.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><h2 style="background: white; margin-top: 0in;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 19.26px;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/breaking-silence-aatips-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #1e83ff; text-decoration-line: none; text-underline: none;">Breaking the Silence: AATIP's Secret Partner Speaks</span></a> <span style="font-weight: normal;">March 23, 2020</span></span></h2></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div><div><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Continuing the examination, we probed the $22 million government funding for Robert Bigelow’s company under the AAWSAP contract. We attempted to trace where the money was spent.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: times;"><br /></span><div><span><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><span style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/04/the-pentagon-ufo-money-trail.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiassQyo9dvGNmWWHeNdVzXFxVigzOVaqD2IgFQ-MFiVznVihSFNYX7r9q3lCVmrsWXTaghxMMKVWSKI3wzGLkOX2JS7Vjd1OIr1OjChMR4OTd2bZsIlcEnXMaxoJ0ZKzKosmjDSG3RpzHj/w640-h334/Pentagon+UFO+Money.png" width="640" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><h2 style="background: white; margin-top: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 19.26px;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/04/the-pentagon-ufo-money-trail.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #1e83ff; text-decoration-line: none; text-underline: none;">The Pentagon UFO Money Trail</span></a> <span style="font-weight: normal;">April 23, 2020</span></span></span></h2></td></tr></tbody></table></span></div></div></div><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br />A related article examined Dr. Kit Green's DIRD from the perspective of the Cash-Landrum UFO case. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br /></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/02/aatip-and-cash-landrum-ufo-case.html" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj09CjR6SlzObRGUiOikwV5Gy1CZthkHXi7-zWkAUo0VqQ0kikBX5-iNCPfDeXw690rer48msQy5GC3O1PRYuFAKf7F8XdLCBxYE7m50ZcbSK-P7v9T1uYmiXqzH5sKu6kwwWUl-qOWPimn/w640-h334/Green+Puthoff+AATIP.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><b><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/02/aatip-and-cash-landrum-ufo-case.html" style="font-family: times; font-size: large;" target="_blank">AATIP's UFO Medical Study and the Cash-Landrum Case</a><span style="font-family: times; font-size: large;"> </span><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">February 14, 2020</span></b></div><br style="font-family: times; font-size: large;" /><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><br /> <p></p></div></div>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-19290415522502873052021-12-23T08:08:00.001-06:002021-12-23T08:11:32.878-06:00UFOs: The Long Black Road<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgtv0UMLAlAWx2E0vj8s2xHWLBhqmLM6miTBfPEIa2PTHnn2PuPtDWgmGyknbVcHV0enNNdRz3JqJqCtCkO8VuOiUjjLhqRcgM3gcqUNi7t4Wyzm0QkUJEEoKayD0thUVqYF4YpzjHYsYppFyJjXe_5_D7zm_GbYY-A0V8GZBb19aLILe8Har12AeWeJQ=s825" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgtv0UMLAlAWx2E0vj8s2xHWLBhqmLM6miTBfPEIa2PTHnn2PuPtDWgmGyknbVcHV0enNNdRz3JqJqCtCkO8VuOiUjjLhqRcgM3gcqUNi7t4Wyzm0QkUJEEoKayD0thUVqYF4YpzjHYsYppFyJjXe_5_D7zm_GbYY-A0V8GZBb19aLILe8Har12AeWeJQ=w640-h334" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Dreams have provided inspiration for the creation of
both fiction and physical inventions. From time to time, I have what I call
OC-Dreams (for obsessive-compulsive) where a thought or situation replays in a
loop while I try to solve it. Sometimes it’s about writing or editing a UFO
article. When I woke from the last one, I was left with a powerful urge to make
the article real, but as in many dream-inspired ideas, additional ingredients
from the real world are required to make it work.</span></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">It began with a statement that most UFOs reported could
be identified or explained, with only a small subset left as unknowns. Dr. J.
Allen Hynek cited the unknowns from Project Blue Book as 23%, but his colleague
Allan Hendry at the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS), concluded in </span><i style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">The UFO
Handbook</i><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">, that of the 1307 reports made to them, only 8.6% remained unidentified
after analysis. Often, the unknown status is given chiefly due to insufficient information.
However, this void is exploited by promoters who portray it as evidence of
physics-defying performance from anomalous aerial vehicles made by no civilization
on the earth.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></o:p></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhLkTIBPJlItfvwjlWa5oagx45T_04v5V_Mu_61xhkbkV9caBytyB6c4iw-r2gx84KwNr9IA6c52owmMlyw76GiF4qpJaSTqGuxVrQNJ-pTBsY0XD6un2h70gmFpJeNyi1aRiZ8LfzxfkjbcCvb0FtC59_pzppRmHL68DD1_X8o8_Eo1UyxgY7lgnqvbA=s748" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="748" data-original-width="506" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhLkTIBPJlItfvwjlWa5oagx45T_04v5V_Mu_61xhkbkV9caBytyB6c4iw-r2gx84KwNr9IA6c52owmMlyw76GiF4qpJaSTqGuxVrQNJ-pTBsY0XD6un2h70gmFpJeNyi1aRiZ8LfzxfkjbcCvb0FtC59_pzppRmHL68DD1_X8o8_Eo1UyxgY7lgnqvbA=w432-h640" width="432" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">The King of the World? - </span><i style="text-align: start;">Amazing Stories</i><span style="text-align: start;">, May 1946</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span><span style="font-size: medium;">The problem is that such notions about UFOs are often based on something other than facts. Take the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the origin of UFOs. Long before Kenneth Arnold’s famed flying saucers sighting, spiritualism and science fiction spread ideas and beliefs about extraterrestrial beings coming to earth and interacting with humans, with or without spaceships. When the summer of saucers came along in 1947, some followers pointed to the news and said, “toldja so!” The spiritualists used the saucers as the proof behind their cosmic gospel for a new age.<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </span></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgrQgHzxEITpmOKD8PahqSelXGEmliQVvtk0jysYt0Fnwb9qZdwaMoRllOgjqlweWZn-wPcIwRiuD5mRRzT0K6CCL7lQUZnMRm0EbqnyvCoXKawBps3nxYI5Eh63RjrFhoUY8S8pQUnr8YQuLEOnzb1sCdNsAUDsEiHzxAt2PweyW7EzndtdOCHFEwKZA=s847" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="847" data-original-width="825" height="448" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgrQgHzxEITpmOKD8PahqSelXGEmliQVvtk0jysYt0Fnwb9qZdwaMoRllOgjqlweWZn-wPcIwRiuD5mRRzT0K6CCL7lQUZnMRm0EbqnyvCoXKawBps3nxYI5Eh63RjrFhoUY8S8pQUnr8YQuLEOnzb1sCdNsAUDsEiHzxAt2PweyW7EzndtdOCHFEwKZA=w437-h448" width="437" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">Kenneth Arnold’s UFO that was not like the other 8.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;">Others factions championed UFOs as extraterrestrial based on a science-flavored belief system. In the absence of tangible evidence, they became convinced that the elusive saucers represented physical structured technological craft made by an intelligence from another world. The tenets of their faith stated that flying saucers are extraterrestrial spacecraft, and that their reality is covered up by the U.S. government. But someday soon, the truth would be known.</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhTsg_jO5NBEh3hmDJKpOT95yNGCNyP9WMFkl2YGdYM6IjszTpBA3daHeImQz_-wynjsNfvJr5xukWOmfPbg6cEjd-udOBl6H7GCBzAZv0QUcbsqjw_wWNwTw2siwFwG2DhaSRpXmhuLMtP9_Mcig41CfanpI2_5HA81fhO9iUxOlIU-74wYF93F_QW_A=s411" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="146" data-original-width="411" height="174" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhTsg_jO5NBEh3hmDJKpOT95yNGCNyP9WMFkl2YGdYM6IjszTpBA3daHeImQz_-wynjsNfvJr5xukWOmfPbg6cEjd-udOBl6H7GCBzAZv0QUcbsqjw_wWNwTw2siwFwG2DhaSRpXmhuLMtP9_Mcig41CfanpI2_5HA81fhO9iUxOlIU-74wYF93F_QW_A=w486-h174" width="486" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">The Flying Saucer Are Real, </span><i style="text-align: start;">True</i><span style="text-align: start;"> magazine, Jan. 1950.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><br /></span><p></p>
<span style="font-size: medium;">Opportunists, hucksters, and frauds mixed the spiritual humbug with the pseudoscientific humbug into a message that the 10% or so of UFO unknowns represent spaceships of extraterrestrial origin, and there are far more of them that are never observed or reported. There are more they say, since many explained cases are just cover-ups. Lack of evidence is <i>evidence</i> – of the cover-up.</span><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhMYnCMp5x1t2wMXy_AXKl-gOHBqLaVyiXdFDz7V7Ke1yDGHDrwC7wOvxWPleJ4nspDwTDClc0e662Xb5Kn2sQwvyjvjU1xojbI30jTV9KqZOpik2PO34ABD2J6x_2Dp22PzKP7ZgKDHwoc0LaUAW7lmzLfhQyDfELYZPYJ01e4zbKTON8iw2paAe18jA=s284" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="280" data-original-width="284" height="280" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhMYnCMp5x1t2wMXy_AXKl-gOHBqLaVyiXdFDz7V7Ke1yDGHDrwC7wOvxWPleJ4nspDwTDClc0e662Xb5Kn2sQwvyjvjU1xojbI30jTV9KqZOpik2PO34ABD2J6x_2Dp22PzKP7ZgKDHwoc0LaUAW7lmzLfhQyDfELYZPYJ01e4zbKTON8iw2paAe18jA" width="284" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Vickie Landrum</td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Bringing that fantasy-based baggage into a UFO case virtually guarantees the investigation will be doomed to myth-building, such as what happened in the Cash-Landrum case and countless others before and since. As Vickie Landrum </span><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/07/from-their-own-lips-betty-cash-colby.html" target="_blank">said in 1981</a><span>: </span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><blockquote>"I don't want no more (UFO) investigators having me go over the deal... I don't, and there's a lot of quacks, there really is, that's supposed to be big UFO dealers and wheelers, and they're not after hunting the truth, they're after something, proving something that's unreal." </blockquote></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;">Anyone rationally interested in the UFO mystery must become aware of the history of the topic and the unscientific beliefs that were baked into the topic from the start. Seek out primary documents and put away the notions from books and TV shows produced for entertainment. UFOs are real, but very little of what’s believed and said about them is. The beliefs are interesting to folklorists, but otherwise, they need to be left in the past. The hard question to ask is: What does the actual evidence show and where does it lead?</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;">In my dream, the article was only one paragraph long, which prompted me to find a song quotation that served as a coda, cautioning that the work to finding UFO solutions was more of a grind than a glamorous endeavor - and it provided no guarantee of a happy ending. From Jeff Lynne’s “<a href="https://youtu.be/LhXF6XfduPQ" target="_blank">Long Black Road</a>” for Electric Light Orchestra (ELO):</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEi3rC_4q7E4exRzTBp1FoOb6H9DEJIHfiD4wCyLYpChZ1t72GdkHoH9V5qhGeUw1XbgmezMv6HVkolvdh3CrHdknGzUt2rHdN0PUsQVPcBetts61OAPiAXSnmn1ND59yeUb0Y8JYqDUMgJSkXovGak0dwoRJv3Ik02f_PLDU9sNbna6SgvibYlsHYCMbA=s364" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="364" data-original-width="364" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEi3rC_4q7E4exRzTBp1FoOb6H9DEJIHfiD4wCyLYpChZ1t72GdkHoH9V5qhGeUw1XbgmezMv6HVkolvdh3CrHdknGzUt2rHdN0PUsQVPcBetts61OAPiAXSnmn1ND59yeUb0Y8JYqDUMgJSkXovGak0dwoRJv3Ik02f_PLDU9sNbna6SgvibYlsHYCMbA=s320" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: large;">“You gotta get up in the morning, take your heavy load</span></i></div><div style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: large;">And you gotta keep goin' down the long black road.”</span></i></div><p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><b><i><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">For more information on the foundational fantastical UFO
concepts and their promoters, see these articles from </span><i style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">The Saucers That Time
Forgot</i><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Pre-saucer beliefs:</span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Theosophy and Spiritualism - </span><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2021/07/the-ufo-prophecy-of-frederick-g-hehr.html" style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" target="_blank">The UFO Prophecy of Frederick G. Hehr</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;">Meade Layne and the Occult - <a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2017/08/1946-before-saucers-kareeta-ufo-contact.html" target="_blank">1946, Before Saucers, Kareeta: UFO Contact in California</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Charles Fort and the ETH - </span><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-1st-ufo-book-forgotten-mysteries-by.html" style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" target="_blank">The 1st UFO book? Forgotten Mysteries by R. DeWitt Miller</a></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><b>Science-flavored beliefs:</b></div></b></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 107%;"><o:p><span> </span></o:p></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Frank Scully’s Conspiracies - <a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2018/02/operation-hush-hush-ufo-crash-and-et.ht" target="_blank">Operation Hush-Hush: The UFO Crash and ET Bodies Cover-Up</a></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;">Mixing science with fantasy - <a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2021/08/the-ufo-evidence-of-robert-c-gardner.html" target="_blank">The UFO Evidence of Robert C. Gardner</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: medium;">From fact to fantasy - <a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2019/11/tracing-ufo-mothership-connection.html" target="_blank">Tracing the UFO Mothership Connection</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p></div></div>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-12770885078204106972021-11-18T07:30:00.002-06:002021-11-18T08:12:19.966-06:00Contact in Texas: The Lost UFO Photos<p><span>This article is a follow-up piece to an investigation begun a few years ago here at <i>Blue Blurry Lines</i>. It's being co-published with <i>The Saucers That Time Forgot</i>.</span></p><p><i>Following this article, be sure to see the collection of original documents, including rare newspaper clippings, the Project Blue Book reports, and witness correspondence with a legendary UFO investigator.</i></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="326" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj2jIVQi7drreeKtvyz5sh-Y-qTvAK-L30dIX5fTfI-YjlI35njmuBmwuPlQ_1RYKhVzdUigF-KsFBxQVUZ7ObLmw4p4L1CY9QKKQXyJDp5-RQju8YXgYTxXne7M5wShsrwP0qHfmL109M/w626-h326/Contact+in+Texas.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" width="626" /></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: right;"><i>Contact in Texas: The Lost UFO Photos</i>, © 2021, Curt Collins</td></tr></tbody></table><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj2jIVQi7drreeKtvyz5sh-Y-qTvAK-L30dIX5fTfI-YjlI35njmuBmwuPlQ_1RYKhVzdUigF-KsFBxQVUZ7ObLmw4p4L1CY9QKKQXyJDp5-RQju8YXgYTxXne7M5wShsrwP0qHfmL109M/s825/Contact+in+Texas.png" style="font-family: Times, serif; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></a></div><p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"></p><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Close encounters of the third kind involving alien abductions </span><span face="source-serif-pro, serif">—</span><span> most everyone knows about the 1961 case of Betty and Barney Hill, or in the 1970s, the Pascagoula incident with Hickson and Parker, or the Travis Walton story. There was an abduction case that came in between that’s not as well known; one of the few investigated by the U.S. Air Force and probed by Dr. J. Allen Hynek.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"> </span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">It happened at a critical time in UFO history. Project Blue Book’s “Swamp Gas” fiasco at the flap in Ann Arbor, Michigan, caused a public outcry that culminated in the Congressional Hearing on Unidentified Flying Objects in April 1966. Within months, the University of Colorado was contracted by the Air Force to conduct an independent investigation of the UFO topic and evaluate its scientific merit. It was colloquially referred to as the Condon UFO Study or Committee after its project director, physicist Dr. Edward U. Condon. After initial optimism, UFO proponents began to suspect the study was “rigged” for a negative conclusion to allow the Air Force to get out of the flying saucer business. Publicly, it was stated that “the university's research does not alter Project Blue Book responsibilities of receiving, investigating and evaluating UFO reports,” but in practice, the Air Force seemed to be gearing down and watching the clock.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEipFTKZyRqcRzjFpeiLAco3ZAUaEwHqdlwrr0_jU6ENudqkwGn8Q-V2cfwywvIzUu0Y8YwvQw_KoNDGQ_m53Vx9Xt6IkRhLHkbdfDnA_1vq2gRkTovplyRQf_bBQrwCcs9o_uIqyKjc-KQ/s1000/UFO+Map+AP+March+13%252C+1967.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="646" data-original-width="1000" height="414" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEipFTKZyRqcRzjFpeiLAco3ZAUaEwHqdlwrr0_jU6ENudqkwGn8Q-V2cfwywvIzUu0Y8YwvQw_KoNDGQ_m53Vx9Xt6IkRhLHkbdfDnA_1vq2gRkTovplyRQf_bBQrwCcs9o_uIqyKjc-KQ/w640-h414/UFO+Map+AP+March+13%252C+1967.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The Texas UFO Flap in Wellington Begins</span></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>March 24, 1967: 5:30 A.M. - The UFO report that kicked things off was made by Air Force Staff Sergeant Johnny Ferguson, who with his wife and 3 kids were traveling by car for a long drive moving from Maine to Vandenberg AFB. Near the tiny rural community of Loco, Texas, they were terrified by a mysterious bright “blue-neon” light that chased them at high speed along the road. It finally split into two, changed to a reddish color and disappeared behind a hill. Ferguson </span><span>reported the incident to Deputy Sheriff George Hooten, then </span><span>drove into nearby Wellington (population about 3000). </span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6sz0QSfYJcvxWze4gU7VRiYLr_Ib2P9jXvKy-r8Swhh8gKFYxm8rbOsxyD8yR-FTTdFcmB9c54kPYQH7y2IYBVlzyWBRIUH7S5GyimRqs2XY-470sHxOie1YoczmS2qgEMHvOpcpzGUU/s550/Ferguson+-+Hooten.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="550" height="313" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6sz0QSfYJcvxWze4gU7VRiYLr_Ib2P9jXvKy-r8Swhh8gKFYxm8rbOsxyD8yR-FTTdFcmB9c54kPYQH7y2IYBVlzyWBRIUH7S5GyimRqs2XY-470sHxOie1YoczmS2qgEMHvOpcpzGUU/w400-h313/Ferguson+-+Hooten.jpg" width="400" /></a></div></span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">There had been other sightings, and this one prompted Hooten to contact Altus Air Force Base (across the state line in Oklahoma). Col. Kenneth H. Hallmark and Lt. Robert W. Nicholson came to investigate and interview the Ferguson family.</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVJ-OVP3xXu3XAjBO2dfHqqYYU2am9tu0B-ohkSykCSJMF6YBk-DB87-t-fcSN2KklA2xVCU3eD8n5uvc6aPBo7woOWiYmNq40kQyWaCOxgOHEc55hexYKXthF5YoXqf4q5J5VBHC6psY/s505/Altus+AFB+Invstigators.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="405" data-original-width="505" height="313" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVJ-OVP3xXu3XAjBO2dfHqqYYU2am9tu0B-ohkSykCSJMF6YBk-DB87-t-fcSN2KklA2xVCU3eD8n5uvc6aPBo7woOWiYmNq40kQyWaCOxgOHEc55hexYKXthF5YoXqf4q5J5VBHC6psY/w391-h313/Altus+AFB+Invstigators.jpg" width="391" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;">Hooten told them about other UFO incidents in the area and described two: Mr. and Mrs. John L. Brim of Wellington had seen a bright orange light hover in the sky hours before the Ferguson sighting. On March 21, 1967, at 3:00 P.M., a farmer living near Loco, Carroll Wayne Watts “observed a cylindrical object about 200 feet from the ground traveling at about 50 mph in a northwesterly then northeasterly direction. It disappeared out of sight in about 30 seconds. It was a metallic colored object.” These two sightings were only noted, not investigated.</p></span><p></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both;">Deputy Sheriff Hooten told the A.F. investigators that for hunting at night, a few locals attached aircraft lights to their trucks. As the saying goes, "Close enough for government work." In the 7-page report for Project Blue Book, the Ferguson sighting was closed as “ground lights,” and that was that. Yet, ten days later, another incident was reported. The farmer’s UFO had come back.</div></span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjezVR4U7oSn_ZhkU0PV-Jk9H2MP6VWhh_J8EBadm170USLRw0alrRjKE_yc1xAHQBw28AEmbhcQDbJghxOKbuHNmKozxEuckBdrAlvJ0NM668R_CXwZZM8xS87iM7T7VV-olre-9YvPEI/s813/PBB+Wellington+1967.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="225" data-original-width="813" height="178" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjezVR4U7oSn_ZhkU0PV-Jk9H2MP6VWhh_J8EBadm170USLRw0alrRjKE_yc1xAHQBw28AEmbhcQDbJghxOKbuHNmKozxEuckBdrAlvJ0NM668R_CXwZZM8xS87iM7T7VV-olre-9YvPEI/w640-h178/PBB+Wellington+1967.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Project Blue Book case listings.</td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;">Carroll Wayne Watts was 28 years old, lived near Loco, Texas, with his wife Rosemary and their three young children. Watts was the son of a prominent farmer, and he was in the family business growing cotton and other crops. </span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnTGFO5HhiczvjBV9i1uBlUNUtQ4NGhKznluIBtqLen5zLfWHPGrncKyEQCR0UVw-ueTLyvIrtq0zf2U2uYdJym2gWSDI_OkTTSLshngVRl643CIfsrQcDfvljSMafHGKXGmC8MkgJutI/s825/Rosemary+and+Watts.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="773" data-original-width="825" height="375" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnTGFO5HhiczvjBV9i1uBlUNUtQ4NGhKznluIBtqLen5zLfWHPGrncKyEQCR0UVw-ueTLyvIrtq0zf2U2uYdJym2gWSDI_OkTTSLshngVRl643CIfsrQcDfvljSMafHGKXGmC8MkgJutI/w400-h375/Rosemary+and+Watts.png" width="400" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><br /></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;">While driving home in his pickup about 10:30 Friday night, March 31, Watts saw a strange light on family property. He investigated to find a big cylindrical UFO hovering a short distance above the ground. Watts found a hatch or door and knocked on it, expecting to find Air Force men inside. When it opened, instead, he saw no one, but saw strange machinery and heard a mechanical-sounding voice asking him to come inside. It wanted him to stand in front of the device that he could see inside. He was told it would give him a “strenuous physical” examination, which would determine if he’d be allowed to take a flight on the ship. Afraid, Watts refused, then went back to his truck as the craft silently rose and flew away.</span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">The next day, Watts made a report to the local police and subsequently to the same Air Force investigators </span><a name="_Hlk83740237" style="font-family: Times, serif;">who had come to the area before. Hallmark and Nicholson interviewed Watts and filed a 5-page report</a><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> to Project Blue Book. The UFO encounter was reported in the local newspaper and carried across the US by <a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2017/03/ufo-contact-april-1-1967-from-loco-tx.html" target="_blank">United Press International</a>.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Shortly after the sighting, Rosemary Watts mailed her husband’s first-person account of the sighting to her old Oklahoma hometown paper. The story was printed in </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">The Mangum Star </i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">on April 6, subsequently reprinted in the </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Wellington Leader</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> on April 13 as “Wellington Man Describes Talk With ‘Object.’” Like in his report to the Air Force, Watts’ story clearly hinted that the UFO came from somewhere else, but he made no mention of terminology like space or aliens. He wrote that “the people, whoever they are, aren't harmful,” but that he wouldn’t go inside their ship, “because they might leave with you.” Meanwhile, Watts had another encounter, this time involving contact, abduction, and space flight.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;">On April 11, 1967, at about 9:30 p.m., Watts was in his truck when he saw a light and his engine died. (There will be a detailed account later.) When he got out, he found a UFO - a different one. It was about 30 feet long, egg-shaped, with a dome on top, flattened on the bottom.</span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhODju4kbu_Jv2rDe5xy7RYQ__0sz5i_iAQzm7KKzARCENOGXI0i75eKYFisQ9gE93tOee06xCj8Cl7sTAVl0efpuVrbpHfV9bT05y2-lVXIiVy1i4Ckx5l2sLoMZI7DGo3VGCua39E6ik/s714/Matt+Graeber.JPG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="714" data-original-width="417" height="456" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhODju4kbu_Jv2rDe5xy7RYQ__0sz5i_iAQzm7KKzARCENOGXI0i75eKYFisQ9gE93tOee06xCj8Cl7sTAVl0efpuVrbpHfV9bT05y2-lVXIiVy1i4Ckx5l2sLoMZI7DGo3VGCua39E6ik/w267-h456/Matt+Graeber.JPG" width="267" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">Similar to Watts’ visitors -<br />Matt Graeber’s UFORIC illustration<br />of the Betty and Barney Hill alien.<br /></span></td></tr></tbody></table></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />Two small humanoid occupants stood on the steps of the open hatch. They asked him to come inside, and he was too fearful to refuse. The ship took off and docked with the cylindrical UFO from before, and once there, Watts was examined by their machine. When he asked about who they were and what they were doing, Watts said they told him they were surveying and that they were “from the planet you call Mars.” Afterward, Watts reported his experience to the police and the Air Force. Col. Hallmark and Lt. Nicholson again responded and interviewed Watts for Project Blue Book. Their report noted that Watts appeared “reliable and sincere,” but it was deficient in detail. It was only three pages long, mostly focused on items such as the location and weather, and the file mentions (but does not contain) a tape of Watts’ story and his drawings of the alien machinery and writing he’d seen. There was no mention of the aliens, just that Watts “describes taking an actual flight and submitting to a physical examination.”<br /><br />There was no press on the abduction, but Watts’ story of his first encounter was still circulating. Dr. Edward Condon became interested in it after seeing it in Robert Gribble’s <a href="https://files.afu.se/Downloads/Magazines/United%20States/NICAP%20Reporter%20(Gribble)/NICAP%20Reporter%20-%20Vol%205%20No%2007%20-%2004%201967%20-%20No%2055.pdf" target="_blank">April 1967 UFO newsletter</a>. Condon wrote to Col. Thomas Ratchford of the Air Force, who was coordinating the University of Colorado’s UFO Study. Dated May 18, 1967, Condon’s letter complained about the Air Force failing to inform the committee of UFO cases in a timely manner, and for failing to provide substantive details. Condon cited the Watts case as a key example of this neglect.<br /><br /></span><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0KJ1Jj6hWhtTpMPLIDYfea5dK0LSFBonuwk60QYZ-7uJBwXW1llVaoZ9KiQ7G6pZrMfsypisltqHcwte_jxT5qVfEcUjEEWCBBZrlT4URyb68jpzseVBGW5yoyiRzk5fDTzLRGj5TugA/s770/Condon+to+Col++Ratchford+dated+May+18%252C+1967.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="370" data-original-width="770" height="309" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0KJ1Jj6hWhtTpMPLIDYfea5dK0LSFBonuwk60QYZ-7uJBwXW1llVaoZ9KiQ7G6pZrMfsypisltqHcwte_jxT5qVfEcUjEEWCBBZrlT4URyb68jpzseVBGW5yoyiRzk5fDTzLRGj5TugA/w640-h309/Condon+to+Col++Ratchford+dated+May+18%252C+1967.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">Condon </span><span style="text-align: start;">to Col. Ratchford, 5-18-1967</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;">Several area lawmen attested to Watts' good character, but his one of staunchest supporters was Wellington Police Chief, Donald Nunnelley. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhS-bgKrrlSdU_GxAEqL7pL8AfODudfcv4GHNnYIweATskvccIUKrbeeebJhFqqUcK0Sb_6IBHQJggD5L7MoH4amt1Uv6hZk-bI4ZpFbbj78n8zPspBx7M5_UclmezSdLKl6kDU-qG8zgU/s668/Donald+Nunnelley.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="668" height="297" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhS-bgKrrlSdU_GxAEqL7pL8AfODudfcv4GHNnYIweATskvccIUKrbeeebJhFqqUcK0Sb_6IBHQJggD5L7MoH4amt1Uv6hZk-bI4ZpFbbj78n8zPspBx7M5_UclmezSdLKl6kDU-qG8zgU/w460-h297/Donald+Nunnelley.jpg" width="460" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>He’d written a character reference for Watts and said, “Other reports have been made by persons of Collingsworth Co. For myself I have seen lights… From talking with Mr. Watts or the other persons concerned that have seen UFOs or lights in this area, I have no reason to be doubtful or question these people, as to their honesty or integrity.” </span><span>Chief Nunnelley also happened to be Carroll Watts’ cousin, but it was a small community.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The Artist and his Hypnotist</span></span></b></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Watts UFO story also caught the interest of a Texas art teacher. Dord Fitz was an artist and gallery owner who hustled across Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas, teaching art classes to adult students. Fitz had an interest in ESP and UFOs, and he had shared the cosmic spirituality of <i>The Urantia Book</i> with his students. He also helped promote José Silva bring his Silva Mind Control Method to a wider audience, believing it was a useful tool for unleashing artistic creativity. Fitz himself said he was in touch spiritually with an ancient otherworldly being “Inchen,” who told him that other beings in the universe were coming to our planet, but they would first appear in spiritual form before making physical contact.<br /><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgoN8M48VL31H4-0EMEjmqDUZY18DhoxwKyfhYU_mbWNDkedRjWdpuur6V2GbynmiFo4fzMSUV2bc7P5ps8lU3esDAupHmUZbFz9DE_-xe7I1CqKXYPHR79jqXb9-PMrLcizB8jEGI_6Qo/s825/Dord+Fitz+1967.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="450" data-original-width="825" height="350" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgoN8M48VL31H4-0EMEjmqDUZY18DhoxwKyfhYU_mbWNDkedRjWdpuur6V2GbynmiFo4fzMSUV2bc7P5ps8lU3esDAupHmUZbFz9DE_-xe7I1CqKXYPHR79jqXb9-PMrLcizB8jEGI_6Qo/w640-h350/Dord+Fitz+1967.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">Dord Fitz from 1967 article<br /><br /></span></td></tr></tbody></table></div>The timeline of the next few months is not well documented, but based on what Fitz later told reporters, he was interested in the flying saucer stories from Wellington and went there in June of 1967 to learn more. Fitz met Watts and “to find out if he was telling the truth” about the UFO encounters, persuaded him to come to Amarillo and be questioned under hypnosis.<br /><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdIAS5qSEa6miPmzDSDzLJM6o-KwkU0JsTZ5FtKYHj-Yw5axZmNo7uM1q_1s_WI9K158UAZWcTdyJRXlUAJDvsNkgU_JSuuZgfWVFySZDyl2LoPr5V0IDBff4rZJsiw_8ySDDRYltfLzU/s800/Jose+Silva+Lectures+1967.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="708" data-original-width="800" height="445" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdIAS5qSEa6miPmzDSDzLJM6o-KwkU0JsTZ5FtKYHj-Yw5axZmNo7uM1q_1s_WI9K158UAZWcTdyJRXlUAJDvsNkgU_JSuuZgfWVFySZDyl2LoPr5V0IDBff4rZJsiw_8ySDDRYltfLzU/w503-h445/Jose+Silva+Lectures+1967.jpg" width="503" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">José Silva, 1967</span></td></tr></tbody></table><br />The hypnosis was performed by José Silva, who <a href="https://www.josesilva.net/investigating_a_ufo_sighting.htm" target="_blank">told this version</a>, “Upon seeing all of this commotion, I suggested to Mr. [Fitz] that, before getting any deeper into this, he check Mr. [Watts] with hypnosis.” Silva said, “I inducted Mr. [Watts] into hypnosis, age regressed him to one day before his related story and went forward minute by minute to the present time.” Fitz later told reporters that Watts told the same story while hypnotized; it convinced him that Watts was sincere and truthful.<br /><br />Somewhat overlapping these events, Watts later revealed there were pictures. In a series of other experiences and sightings, on June 7, 11, and 13, he managed to take Polaroid photographs. In all, he had ten photographs of the cylindrical UFO in flight, and another shot of a little man from the ship. Most of Watts’ pictures were black and white, but at least three of them were shot in color.<br /><br />In much the same way he nurtured and encouraged his art students, Fitz helped Watts tell his story. “I wrote it down and my wife typed it." Fitz assisted Watts in preparing a portfolio of evidence: a typed manuscript describing his encounters, illustrations, statements from other area UFO witnesses, and character testimonials. “I got all this material together and then contacted the Life correspondent in Dallas.” Once the time was arranged. Carroll Wayne Watts, packed up the family and drove to Dallas to share his UFO story with the world.</span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> </span></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Taking the Abduction Story Public<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1977/january/profiles-a-hedonist-with-no- regrets/" target="_blank">Holland McCombs</a><span> (1901 - 1991) was a veteran reporter who had worked for </span><i>Time</i><span> and </span><i>Life</i><span> magazines since the 1930s. In the 1960s, McCombs was the chief for Life magazine’s bureau in Dallas, Texas, located at offices in the Republic National Bank Building. McCombs is perhaps most famous for his involvement in reporting on the assassination of President Kennedy and its aftermath. The University of Tennessee at Martin houses the </span><a href="https://www.utm.edu/departments/special_collections/manus/ms001.php" target="_blank">Holland McCombs Papers</a><span>, which includes his file on the Watts UFO case.</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYimbov4al4CepXA7glVe3zs6cimppm6aIee4oqLAIp_gpsf4QAmjZ68Jd894PTnZhLPeMz7cZyx5ya3f1ikKLTnr1PBIQij4Zy0qW4VXAHAAOBE7LS17E8ktYgmJ_0_-XwBklI6Z_Gus/s534/Holland+McCombs.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="534" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYimbov4al4CepXA7glVe3zs6cimppm6aIee4oqLAIp_gpsf4QAmjZ68Jd894PTnZhLPeMz7cZyx5ya3f1ikKLTnr1PBIQij4Zy0qW4VXAHAAOBE7LS17E8ktYgmJ_0_-XwBklI6Z_Gus/w446-h360/Holland+McCombs.jpg" width="446" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>In the mid-1960s, UFOs were a hot news item, and Will Lang of <i>Life</i> sent a telegram to Holland McCombs on March 22, 1966, requesting material on: “new sightings, landings, and communications with UFOs.” <i>Life</i> was preparing their first big saucer story since 1952, and the “sighting in Ann Arbor, Mich., provides strong peg...” McCombs replied, “We ain’t had none in these parts for a long time, however in 1947 or 1948... I interviewed some of the sighters in Texas and other places...” Without McCombs’ input, <i>Life</i>, April 1, 1966, featured the cover blurb, “<a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=-lUEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&dq=LIFE%20Apr%201%2C%201966&pg=PA24#v=onepage&q=LIFE%20Apr%201,%201966&f" target="_blank">The Week of the Flying Saucers</a>,” and the 6-page article inside was titled, “A Well-witnessed ‘Invasion’ by Something” by Paul O’Neil. Dord Fitz saw it and thought he had an even better story for them. McCombs said, “Fitz called me pretty soon after it happened...” (probably around July) but McCombs was ill, so the meeting with Watts was postponed until after he recovered. In the first week of September 1967, Carroll, Rosemary and their three young kids travelled to Dallas for a lengthy interview with McCombs. </span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Mr. and Mrs. Watts brought along a portfolio of supporting exhibits:</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"><br /></span><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px;"><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin: 2.85pt 0.5in 0.0001pt 39.4pt; text-indent: -0.25in;"><a name="_Hlk79587291"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404;"><span style="font-family: Symbol;">· </span>1</span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: "Times",serif;">7-page typewritten UFO narrative (prepared by Dord Fitz)<o:p></o:p></span></span></a></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin: 2.85pt 0.5in 0.0001pt 39.4pt; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="mso-bookmark: _Hlk79587291;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: "Times",serif;">Drawings of alien writing/hieroglyphics, machines, and weapons.<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin: 2.85pt 0.5in 0.0001pt 39.4pt; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="mso-bookmark: _Hlk79587291;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: "Times",serif;">Photographs taken by Watts of the UFO (10) and (1) of an alien man.<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin: 2.85pt 0.5in 0.0001pt 39.4pt; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="mso-bookmark: _Hlk79587291;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: "Times",serif;">Testimonials from character witnesses supporting Mr. & Mrs. Watts<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin: 2.85pt 0.5in 0.0001pt 39.4pt; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="mso-bookmark: _Hlk79587291;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: "Times",serif;">UFO reports from the Wellington area, 9 signed statements, including an endorsement from Chief of Police, Donald L. Nunnelley.<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin: 2.85pt 0.5in 0.0001pt 39.4pt; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="mso-bookmark: _Hlk79587291;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;"> </span></span></span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: "Times",serif;">Watts’ <a name="_Hlk79563622">2-page handwritten list of people to contact for additional character references</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin: 2.85pt 0.5in 0.0001pt 39.4pt; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="mso-bookmark: _Hlk79587291;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;"> N</span></span></span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: "Times",serif;">ews Clippings (5) from area UFO sightings.<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="mso-bookmark: _Hlk79587291;"></span></span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .3pt; margin: 0.3pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .3pt; margin: 0.3pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">During the meeting, McCombs took thirteen pages of handwritten notes that served as the basis for his 6-page typewritten report to Will Lang, Jr., Chief Regional Bureau Director for <i>Life</i> in Manhattan. McCombs was the first reporter to review Watts’ evidence, and he was able to get unique comments from the witness. A complete transcript of his report follows.</span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">WILL LANG – LIFE - New York<br />Holland McCombs - Dallas<br />September 11, 1967</span><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">FOR SCIENCE - OR SOMETHING.<o:p></o:p></span></span></u></b></p><span style="font-size: medium;">We can't believe it! We can't conceive or concede that such a thing did happen out there in the Texas-Oklahoma Panhandle - and that we visited and talked to a man who experienced it. But Carroll Watts is an honorable man. All these people say so. (See exhibits) He quotes Ezekiel (1-4, 1-5, 1-12, and 1-14), and sitting here in the office which is brunette housewifey wife Rosemary and their three little children, he just doesn't seem like the sort of guy who would be seeing visions are envisioning them, or telling in the serious vein about something scary and serious it happened to him if it did not happen to him. Not only do you believe he is too much of a fundamentalist (hardshell) Baptist, and western plains plain to tell such a big black lie to the whole world, but you'd be inclined to doubt if he had enough creative imagination to imagine it all.<br /><br />But on the other hand, though he and all his folks and friends say he lives in Wellington, Texas, he really lives closest to a little Panhandle settlement named Loco, Texas. So you gotta be careful. But he looks and acts and is so much like an honest, God-fearing young red-headed West Texas farmer - which is what he is.<br /><br />Then we reason that we personally have believed in the possibility and probability of visitations from other planets since we worked on the TIME and LIFE stories back there in 1947. How come if we're going to the moon and eventually to Mars, some other planet or planets and planet peoples couldn't be a thousand, a million, or twenty million years ahead of us in outer spaceness? Then there's all that stuff in LOOK, and the government and Air Force have quit trying to laugh it all off and are much more scientifically trying to find out more about the promising possibilities of visitations from other galaxies, planets, and universes. How come we're the only planet we know about which can and does contain life as we know it? We do not believe that.<br /><br />So, let's give Mr. Watts and his friends, relatives and neighbors, and the people at Altus Air Force Base, Oklahoma and around there, a chance to be heard and questioned with a careful and perhaps dubious, but with an open mind. Like the late scientist and adventurer Tom Slick said when he was ridiculed about his search for the Abominable Snowman: “I am not ashamed of refusing to limit the possibilities until they are exhausted and we have the answer, one way or the other…”<br /><br />So, we can refuse to limit the scientific possibilities of outer space until we know more about what these limitations are!<br /><br />Now some of this is going to be hard to go with - like the talking with the little men who say they are from Mars. If they were talking in English as Watts swears they were, they were lying about Mars to confuse us Earth people. We think we know that there are no 4-foot, barrel-chested, slit-eyed little men walking and talking on Mars. But we do not know that they do not exist on some other planet. And we can believe that if these little men and their varied spacecrafts have been gathering data on the earth for the past 2,000 years or so, that they could be speaking Earth languages and could want more data on the physical composition of Earthlings.<br /><br />We can also believe that they are conversant with earthly behaviors of various kinds and can scarcely blame them for preparing for what we might do should we ever get to their planet - considering what we do to each other on our planet.<br /><br />I am enclosing various exhibits: testimonials from others around the countryside who saw various UFOs and lights; testimonials as to the character of Mr. and Mrs. Watts; newsclips, etc. Then there are the photographs and a 17-page homemade report covering background and dates and events leading up to Watts’ ride in the spacecraft, the physical examination given him by the spacemen, tunneling into the big spacecraft, etc., etc.<br /><br />Watts' 17-page report is not as convincing as he is face-to-face. He reads like he's lying more than he sounds like he's lying. I'm not saying that either he or his report convinced me by any means. But he did, in person, explain a few of the some 236 questions that come to mind. For instance, he told me about what some of the other people had seen, those who had seen some of the five of the craft and how they would give off reddish looking light and would take off and move in all directions and stay low and how some of them had silver slit windows, etc., according to the other people who have seen them.<br /><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVeHf6RGObjydigG3EnjCvdqHmBHBKyrrpbSwPLIHUkhq-yHG6HzsWqFH5S4usAihegLV5BcHGRQW1Sraqa-OF5l1qXFgJ0Qq0lcdPTUzIh2NnUSz4PnnbvJAHBpWpphUrJzXI5uUEjoY/s430/Simulation.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="330" data-original-width="430" height="325" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVeHf6RGObjydigG3EnjCvdqHmBHBKyrrpbSwPLIHUkhq-yHG6HzsWqFH5S4usAihegLV5BcHGRQW1Sraqa-OF5l1qXFgJ0Qq0lcdPTUzIh2NnUSz4PnnbvJAHBpWpphUrJzXI5uUEjoY/w422-h325/Simulation.jpg" width="422" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">At least three of Watts' photos were vibrant color Polaroids</td></tr></tbody></table><br />He only saw these two craft, the big bullet-shaped one which is the 100-foot long deal, and the small one in which he was taken away by the little men. The original Polaroid picture of the spaceman was in color and a bit plainer than this fuzzed up thing that I am enclosing. When I asked him about the disparity in looks, he said that they had had it blown up and that he, too, is quite puzzled because that when he saw the men close up, none of them had any hair at all, or no headgear and that their skin was ashen gray, both on their bald domes and on their bodies. When asked about the picture, he explained that he was out in his pickup and when he saw the craft in a pasture about 2:30 or 3:00 in the afternoon of June 7th or 11th that he got out of his truck and started taking Polaroid pictures very nervously and very scared. He says that the craft was behind a crest and that he walked towards it a little way and that about that time this spaceman you see here walked up over the crest and that's when he took the picture.</span></blockquote><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgAVD1V7VNlT8yXbASRqAwzGZpXyIP66FpIXz3pKrWPc8NnAMmN3grR9Vz07WM8MCX_osunM-knF3InyB8en2N1zTYXQAU1V1RYQZbi4_ewO6vRJpCq26o1WwvndrYpIBWa5Q-jysO_r5E/s562/Watts+Martian.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="332" data-original-width="562" height="378" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgAVD1V7VNlT8yXbASRqAwzGZpXyIP66FpIXz3pKrWPc8NnAMmN3grR9Vz07WM8MCX_osunM-knF3InyB8en2N1zTYXQAU1V1RYQZbi4_ewO6vRJpCq26o1WwvndrYpIBWa5Q-jysO_r5E/w640-h378/Watts+Martian.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Enlargements of a black and white copy of Watts' "little man" photo.</td></tr></tbody></table><p><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;">Now the color picture, for whatever it might be worth, does show some scrub brush and sort of a crest of a hill and the face and shoulders shape of the man - or whatever it is. He said that after he took this picture the man stood there for a few seconds and then disappeared behind the crest and apparently got in the plane and these other three pictures were taken while the craft was taking off and taken quite rapidly. The dull-finish black and white was reprinted from a color picture. He did not want to let me have the color picture of this nor the color picture of the man on the crest of the hill because he said that he just didn't want to lose them since they were Polaroid pictures, he had no negative.</span></p><span style="font-size: medium;">So, for whatever you may think, I'm sending these five pictures along and would appreciate your sending the whole caboodle back if you are not interested in further pursuit.<br /><br />Watts explained that he picked up the paper weight because it had an insignia and “some writing on it.” In his original paper he has scribbled out what the writing and insignia looked like and I can get copies of this if you want to see it. He wanted to get away with the paper weight or whatever it was so he could show it to the people at Altus Air Force Base.<br /><br />Another thing that he explained in person was that he and others were rather convinced that these flying and moving objects and lights had something to do with the Air Force and were from Altus Air Force Base and they were super-secret and all that and they didn't say much about it for awhile - in fact, not until he had his ride and physical.<br /><br />He explained that the voices sounded like it was metallic and being ground out by machine and that there were no inflections whatsoever, that the slit for the mouth never opened. All that mental telepathy business, we can't swallow at all. And maybe Watts is a bit nuts. Anyway, by his own report here, he was hearing the voices of the little men in the night and his wife wasn't hearing them. Maybe he's unbalanced but I talked to Dord Fitz, an art teacher of Amarillo, and he says that no one in the area ever heard of Carroll Watts being a little off or odd or anything like that. Watts is a clean-cut, trim farmer-looking young fellow of 29 and talks much better than he writes. He doesn't seem to be pushing for money although he's willing to talk about it if any of you are interested.<br /><br />He recommends that we can talk to Colonel Hallmark of the Altus Air Force Base and Dr. Condon of Colorado and others if we are interested, he'll be glad to see anyone you’d like to send down and we'll take them all around and do everything we want him to do. He further says that he certainly doesn't blame us if we are skeptical or don't believe him and he may have a few things mixed-up because he was pretty shaken up, but that he can talk about it better after the experience than he could at first. His friend, Dord Fitz, called me pretty soon after it happened and that was when I suggested that if Watts came over this way, I would be glad to see him. Then I was hospitalized so we just now got around to it. He explains that he hasn't talked it too much, that no papers have called on him nor any magazines nor anyone outside the Air Force and the peace officers. He said that as far as the Air Force was concerned, he could tell whatever he wants to tell, or do with the story whatever he wants to do with it.<br /><br />He saw six little men in all and says he believes the one who knocked him out because of his trying to steal the paper weight used some sort of instrument rather than just a fist. He said that the flesh on the little man's arm felt considerably cooler or colder than the temperature of an Earthling.<br /><br />He was quite disconcerting to me because of his exact estimate of measurements of everything in his meticulous memory of all the things about the examining machine and the other appointments and apparati. He was pretty convincing about his never having gone in for such details and being of a sound and not too imaginative mind.<br /><br />I've taken down a bunch of detail about the small steps, the description of the ships, description of the so-called weapons and the little ship and the big ship and all of that. But if you want to pursue it, I suggest that you either send someone out there or I will go out there and snoop around and find out what could possibly have provoked are produced all this and see where we can place it in the credibility or non-credibility of the UFO over-all. Also, we should contact Colonel Hallmark and possibly others in Altus, Oklahoma, and Dr. Condon, who, as I'm sure you know, is in charge of the research on the UFO’s and all that.<br /><br />Please return these pictures and the exhibits when you are finished with them.<br /><br />###<br />Enclosures<br />cc: Miami</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="line-height: 19.26px;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">After receiving no immediate reply, Holland McCombs, wrote to his boss, Will Lang, at </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Life </i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">on Sept. 25, 1967:<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><blockquote>“Mrs. Watts called Friday saying: ‘People out this way keep pressing and saying they want to tell it all and get somebody to do something on it. We keep telling them that LIFE might run it and we do not want them to do anything until we hear from LIFE...’”</blockquote><p></p>McCombs said, “please pass this urgency on… if no one up there is interested… please return the exhibits and pictures.” </span><span>The reply from Lang came by telegram two days later, “Mailing all Carroll Wayne Watts material to you immediately.” McCombs wrote to Mr. and Mrs. Watts the same day, enclosing a copy of the telegram and said,</span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><blockquote> “Am terribly sorry… please feel free to interest any other publication in that tremendous experience.” When he received the package from <i>Life</i> on Sept. 29, he immediately mailed the material to the couple saying, “Again, I am sorry LIFE is not interested…”</blockquote></span></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;">Shortly afterwards, Dord Fitz checked in with Watts by phone to see if </span><i style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;">Life</i><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;"> magazine was going to publish the story. It wasn’t happening, but Rosemary and Carroll Watts were still determined to get their story out.</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: "Times",serif;"><br /><b>Corroboration or</b></span><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"> <b><span style="color: #040404;">Cross-contamination?<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="color: #040404; font-family: "Times",serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: "Times",serif;">Except for Sgt. Ferguson’s and Watts’ press in the spring of 1967, none of the many sightings around Wellington were reported at the time. According to the story in the </span><a name="_Hlk85032050"><i><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;">Amarillo Daily News</span></i></a><span style="mso-bookmark: _Hlk85032050;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;">, Feb. 15/16, 1968</span></span><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;">, <span style="color: #040404;">Watts’ </span>last sighting was sometime in October of 1967, however there was a multi-witness case the next month that seemed to corroborate his description of the UFO. While most other local sightings were only of lights in the sky, this one was more spectacular. On <span style="color: #040404;">the morning of November 3, 1967,</span> three women, Mrs. Hazel McKinney, Mrs. Harry Patterson, and an unnamed friend, were driving by Loco on their way to work in Childress. They first spotted a bright light in a field, but it moved closer, and they saw it was a<span style="color: #333333;"> UFO silver-gray in color, “big enough to drive a car in. It was shaped like a cigar – one end was round,” the other end glowed like a fluorescent light. It seemed to briefly </span>chase their car before flying up and away. What happened next might be considered <a name="_Hlk87877049">cross-contamination </a>of witnesses. Mrs. McKinney and Mrs. Patterson went to Watts’ house the next afternoon to tell him their story. At his request, they described the object and drew a picture of it. Then, Watts showed them his UFO pictures and they said it was the same object they had seen. On the face of it, fascinating, but all this sighting information from Mrs. McKinney and companions surfaced only <i>after</i> their conversation with Watts.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-top: 0.25pt; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">This is Dr. Hynek Calling…<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Dr. J. Allen Hynek was the professor of astronomy at Northwestern University contracted by the Air Force as a consultant for Project Blue Book. Hynek’s files at the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) contain correspondence to him from Carroll Watts. While Watts wanted publicity, incredibly it was Dr. Hynek who initiated contact, and served it as a stepping stone to national press coverage of Watts’ story.</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLCaLwrPHJUaApuxFJN3ScKeuIVYtnA0g8I9DSKglnq-BvpicJm-O3feNgjYky_QulRhGotvhoj_ltHJ6JYP0o_SXVQpeW-INdWCpc8oX-L8-4U6uy2cdwk5fAtbtDZDLEpz092Ij_P4U/s922/Hynek+-+Watts+Letter.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="421" data-original-width="922" height="293" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLCaLwrPHJUaApuxFJN3ScKeuIVYtnA0g8I9DSKglnq-BvpicJm-O3feNgjYky_QulRhGotvhoj_ltHJ6JYP0o_SXVQpeW-INdWCpc8oX-L8-4U6uy2cdwk5fAtbtDZDLEpz092Ij_P4U/w640-h293/Hynek+-+Watts+Letter.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>1967 had been a rough year, particularly for UFO photographs. Hynek had offered support for the <a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2021/10/dr-hynek-and-ufo-photo-investigation-of.html" target="_blank">UFO pictures from Michigan</a> by the Jaroslaw brothers, but those were revealed to be hoaxed. In November 1967, Hynek argued with Project Blue Book head Hector Quintanilla over the Air Force’s photo analysts rejecting the <a href="https://www.fold3.com/image/8286889" target="_blank">Bear Mountain UFO photos</a> from a year earlier as fake. “I find no substantiation for the evaluation of hoax… After examination of the print by myself and by Mr. Fred Beckman of the University of Chicago… the evaluation [should be] changed from hoax to unidentified.” However, he was frustrated when Quintanilla stuck to the conclusion reached by the analysts, “Hoax.”<br /><br />Hynek studied the Project Blue Book file on Watts. Like a lot of cases, it had been closed as “Psychological,” which didn’t mean much, except that it was a single-witness case with no physical evidence to investigate. He underlined a possible red flag that might indicate Watts was a “repeater,” a witness who had too many sightings to be credible, “This is the third report from this individual.” The portion describing contact was minimal and Hynek wanted to know more, so he sent Watts a letter on Nov. 13, 1967, to arrange a telephone interview after the Thanksgiving holiday. Watts wrote back agreeing, “I will need to accept the call at a phone in Wellington,” and confirmed the time requested, 7:00 p.m. on Nov. 26. Hynek was acting out of his personal interest, but he did later expense the call to the Air Force. When the station-to-station call connected, Watts agreed to let Hynek tape the call, which lasted almost an hour.<br /><br />Carroll Watts immediately began telling his story as an emotionless recitation, perhaps most animated when replying to Hynek’s questions about mundane details such as distances and locations involved. Watts told Hynek that he was driving a new 1967 model pick-up truck, and that when he got close to the egg-shaped UFO his electrical system died. He described the occupants as before, but explicitly said the men’s bodies looked like humans, but were about 4-feet tall, but had thick chests and broad shoulders, and they wore white coveralls. The greatest visible difference was in their heads and faces, which were hairless, and the skin was white to light gray in color. The men had little more than small slits for noses (and ears), and thin lips in a straight line. He saw one smile, but never saw them open their mouths; they spoke with him with “thought-waves.” Their eyes extended or wrapped around to the side of their heads where our hairline begins, and were “something like a horse’s,” with a horizontal pupil.</span><span><br /><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkMAgt-ejIIZ0XauxkmCERAxGfCtQzZrzJYM_liVpd1X7Chdu7q_SQ_lFtGlTh3rrMcmUqMiZNYr5dwN1_eV6-M2KUKGIyeRURYrOja89D5-RJENud9GDvBBsUAgovke6yoLAEvGoXkz8/s477/Far+Out+Physical.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="472" data-original-width="477" height="427" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkMAgt-ejIIZ0XauxkmCERAxGfCtQzZrzJYM_liVpd1X7Chdu7q_SQ_lFtGlTh3rrMcmUqMiZNYr5dwN1_eV6-M2KUKGIyeRURYrOja89D5-RJENud9GDvBBsUAgovke6yoLAEvGoXkz8/w431-h427/Far+Out+Physical.jpg" width="431" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><div>From <i>Flying Saucers</i> #1, Dell Comics, April, 1967,</div><div>"<a href="https://stendek.tumblr.com/post/6689570425/far-out-physical-flying-saucer-tale" target="_blank">Far Out Physical</a>" by D. J. Arneson and Sam Glanzman.</div></td></tr></tbody></table><br /></span><span>Hynek was surprised when Watts’ story went beyond what was in the Blue Book report. Watts said he’d begun carrying a Polaroid camera to capture proof of his story. On his first attempt he’d taken six pictures but only four captured the UFO. Watts described two other occasions he captured photos, and by the time he mentioned the color shots depicting the alien and the UFO, Hynek excitedly asked Watts to mail at least one of the photos to him for examination. The call ended with Hynek saying that he’d be in Texas soon for a lecture in Dallas, and he urged Watts to try to meet him there. He also said he’d mail Watts the Blue Book sighting questionnaire to fill out.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />Watts promptly completed the sighting form (with minimal answers) and sent it along with a letter, received by Hynek on Nov. 30, 1967. None of his pictures were included, Watts wrote that he didn’t want to risk losing the photos in the mail. Watts mentioned Life magazine correspondent Holland McCombs (whom he thought could vouch for him) and urged Hynek to meet him while in Dallas. To emphasize that he was just one of many in the area with sightings, Watts repeated the story about Jim Moss taking a UFO picture, but the developer lost the roll of film. (Note: Jim Moss became ill in autumn and died at the age of 25 at St. Anthony’s Hospital in Amarillo, a week after surgery on Jan. 20, 1968. He was therefore unavailable to investigators or reporters.)</span></div><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvm4SCzK2hXvzFnaBnc4uxaN8I_7QQaGy4N6K7YDiGkqACD0TIAaWCP_x4MUtQvIiFv8NpnfjaHdzUH7TZ1eZmRi-9i0qbnSEdL5Qhl7Pl91VrAAjM4V_fux7N9TyUv613B1oX9GmgETM/s717/Photo+-+Loftin+UFO.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="562" data-original-width="717" height="502" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvm4SCzK2hXvzFnaBnc4uxaN8I_7QQaGy4N6K7YDiGkqACD0TIAaWCP_x4MUtQvIiFv8NpnfjaHdzUH7TZ1eZmRi-9i0qbnSEdL5Qhl7Pl91VrAAjM4V_fux7N9TyUv613B1oX9GmgETM/w640-h502/Photo+-+Loftin+UFO.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Original in color. Black and white copy of photo Watts sent to Hynek.</td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><span>In Watts’ letter to Hynek, Jan. 4, 1968, Watts expressed his regrets for not being able to meet Hynek in Dallas for his lecture. He mentioned there had been other sightings in the area, “since we talked,” to emphasize that he was not the only UFO witness there. Watts asked for advice on how to publicize his story, wondering if it should be a newspaper or magazine. “The people in this area are very anxious for our story to be released.” Growing impatient, Watts decided to send two of his pictures for Hynek to inspect, but he wouldn’t risk mailing the shot of the alien man. He asked if Hynek had talked to reporter in Dallas (McCombs), who had told him his experience was “the best backed up story and more in detail than any he had ever heard of.” Watts was of the opinion his story was “good enough to be published and convince the public, with the proof that these U.F.O.’s are for real.” He added some thoughts about what the aliens might be able to teach us; they had no war, “Our world sure lacks this harmony.” In closing, he again pleaded for advice on how to release the story, and the letter was signed, “Mr. and Mrs. Carroll Watts.” Fred Beckman, Hynek’s photo analyst colleague, wrote a note across the top:</span><span><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><i>This one to be followed – Get picture of "man."</i></div><br />Another letter came on Jan. 24, 1968. In it, Watts enclosed four photos, two were new UFO pictures (not described), one was a black and white enlargement of the shot sent earlier. Since Watts didn’t have access to a photo studio that made color copies of Polaroids, he took a risk and sent the original of the one alien man picture. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjWPM1GEHhSuBhx6OTduIfnO79RcsmQ8Mx_T53NRYebzSoNUR_oW5ZEQUYJNLKpwdu9hchfgJWPocK16dyVyNV4fN882Ig_c3WIoT0PdzEZnDPNoYVWe231-cGREr7t8Ea0bYPWHQIlBbA/s714/Photo+-+Loftin+Martian.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="522" data-original-width="714" height="468" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjWPM1GEHhSuBhx6OTduIfnO79RcsmQ8Mx_T53NRYebzSoNUR_oW5ZEQUYJNLKpwdu9hchfgJWPocK16dyVyNV4fN882Ig_c3WIoT0PdzEZnDPNoYVWe231-cGREr7t8Ea0bYPWHQIlBbA/w640-h468/Photo+-+Loftin+Martian.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Original in color. Black and white copy of "man" photo Watts sent to Hynek.</td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;">Once again Watts included a plea for advice on releasing his story. Hynek wrote back to Watts after receiving the new batch of photos, which he later described as “rather remarkable.” He was interested in Watts’ experiences, but reluctant to draw any conclusions. Hynek asked for details of other local sightings, and asked if the other objects resembled the one Watts said he had seen and flown in.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />Watts had also been showing the pictures and telling his stories to people in Wellington. Word of it reached reporters, and his story was about to come out, whether Watts was ready or not.<br /><br /></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"><span><b>Part Two:</b></span></span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: large;">The UFO Implosion of 1968</span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Note: Following the conclusion, see the PDF collection is linked below of case documents and the most significant newspaper coverage.</span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhubwA3eAC7WY_v1Kfj6Dv7RvXUa6mX2M7EOtpSi28N_iuYYj34tTujF_8C0T-7GOwN4YtbeL4pewLrEzDw4rTPARThB45ZYIFQXOsdcejFkb-1m8Z34l_Og82Yc_XK9rhMyJHMCZ4NNtk/s825/Watts+Press.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhubwA3eAC7WY_v1Kfj6Dv7RvXUa6mX2M7EOtpSi28N_iuYYj34tTujF_8C0T-7GOwN4YtbeL4pewLrEzDw4rTPARThB45ZYIFQXOsdcejFkb-1m8Z34l_Og82Yc_XK9rhMyJHMCZ4NNtk/w640-h334/Watts+Press.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Watts trying to get a moments piece, eating a wholesome saucer of apple pie and ice cream.</td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"><br />In late January, two young reporters for the </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Amarillo Daily News Times</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> got word of things and interviewed Carroll Wayne Watts and other witnesses in </span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;">preparation for a two-part article on UFO sightings around Wellington. Pursuing the story, John DeBaun and Carroll Wilson contacted Dr. Hynek on Jan. 26. In a letter to </span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Project Blue Book director Hector Quintanilla, Hynek said:</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">“A reporter from Amarillo called me yesterday to brief me on the flap they have been having in Wellington, Texas --- many independent witnesses -- Exeter type cases -- animals disturbed, etc. -- but they have not reported to the Air Force. None of them want publicity or ridicule. I will follow some of this by phone, as an individual, -- but even the Condon Comm. doesn't have this report.”<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZI54wlqIQzsICqYTavUixGpXUriRaHMF0cMtr5jGpGPS7PS07HQREqMOJ-6292eirsTe4AHwMSyqktB81ijYywcRRj-R7Iw4IcFyRiF7DjZK6oABHXtmQZWbOzVF0DuPcHihtPmRkwO0/s1421/1968+02+15+Amarillo+Daily+News+Part+1.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1421" data-original-width="1138" height="682" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZI54wlqIQzsICqYTavUixGpXUriRaHMF0cMtr5jGpGPS7PS07HQREqMOJ-6292eirsTe4AHwMSyqktB81ijYywcRRj-R7Iw4IcFyRiF7DjZK6oABHXtmQZWbOzVF0DuPcHihtPmRkwO0/w545-h682/1968+02+15+Amarillo+Daily+News+Part+1.jpg" width="545" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i style="text-align: start;">Amarillo Daily News</i><span style="text-align: start;">, Feb. 15, 1968</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">On Feb. 15, 1968, Carroll and Rosemary Watts wrote to Hynek and enclosed a copy of the article released “today in the Amarillo newspaper…” (</span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Amarillo Daily News</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">, Feb. 15, 1968) covering “most of the recent sightings” in the area. They were concerned about what would be printed about the story, saying they’d begged the press to wait until “we had the story and pictures evaluated.” The Watts couple said the paper in Wellington agreed not to print anything, but that all the UFO sightings were common knowledge there. They had heard that reporter Larry Lee (with the </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Houston Post</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> and Associated Press) was interested in covering the story. They had told the reporters that they’d sent Hynek some of the pictures, and wrote hoping that “we have given you information to help science…” The postscript noted that a personal endorsement from the chief of police was enclosed. The letter was signed, “Mr. and Mrs. Carroll Watts.”</span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><i><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;">Amarillo Daily News</span></i><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;">, Feb. 15, 1968, was part one of two articles. Titled, “Wellington, UFO Playground” by Carroll Wilson, the accompanying artwork depicted a UFO based loosely on Watts’ most dramatic photograph. The article covered several area sightings and Watts himself was mentioned only in passing, his story saved for part two the next day. When Dr. Hynek was asked about the UFO reports in the area, “He said many facets of the sightings at Wellington ‘fit the pattern’. <span style="color: #333333;">Although he is enthusiastic about reports from Wellington residents, he has reservations about a story told by Watts…</span>”</span></span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">“Mars Ship Trip Told" by John DeBaun was the debut of Watts’ CE III story in print. Vouching for Watts was Collingsworth County Sheriff John Rainey, who was quoted saying he was "of reliable character.” Watts’ basic story was presented: meeting Martians, boarding their ship, the <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>examination, and the aftermath.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span>“One night several weeks after his experience, Watts said, he was awakened and a strange voice told him to come down the road so he could go with ‘them.’ Watts said it was similar to the ‘thought wave’ conversations that had been carried on with him before by the spacemen. He said they ‘told’ him they were leaving and they wanted him to go back with them, but he refused.” </span></span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Dr. Hynek was quoted as saying Watts’ pictures were “spectacular,” but would go no further. “I simply wouldn’t be acting as a scientist if I said ‘yea’ or ‘nay.’”</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;">Dord Fitz was interviewed by <i>Amarillo Globe-Times</i> reporters during the fourth week of February (later published Feb. 26, as “Artist Link in UFO Tale?”.) Prompted by the press activity, Fitz called Hynek to vouch for Watts. Hynek later said, “He told me he was curious about Watts' story and had gone down to Wellington and talked to about 15 businessmen and had decided Watts was reliable." Hynek told AP that Fitz said hypnosis had helped Watts recall details of his experiences. “He said he had worked with Watts and had found him completely reliable and had lots of affidavits and additional pictures.” </span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgp9TRQDLhKAorIThp2OI0TgxPgl2jUpgF4Omb6WQPqJiy4dzjwpRt7MawXGHI6gMrMr4T4SuN-FEXcaNeKMW1830Almrp62t14zQ1ImuUgzjSx4zXAUecSOSBlOPJSrPE_Q3WkHEfxVHY/s696/Newsmen.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="204" data-original-width="696" height="189" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgp9TRQDLhKAorIThp2OI0TgxPgl2jUpgF4Omb6WQPqJiy4dzjwpRt7MawXGHI6gMrMr4T4SuN-FEXcaNeKMW1830Almrp62t14zQ1ImuUgzjSx4zXAUecSOSBlOPJSrPE_Q3WkHEfxVHY/w640-h189/Newsmen.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-size: medium;">Due to the Amarillo newspaper coverage, the press was beginning to school around Watts. Reporters were sharing resources while simultaneously trying to scoop one another. According to Watts, he had been cooperating with Lawrence Lee of the Associated Press and reporter for several days, when Charles Richards, bureau manager for UPI in Lubbock “butted in.” Reporters visited the Watts’ home Saturday and he and his wife were photographed. Rosemary was part of things and said, "We want the evaluation, including a thorough check of the pictures by photography experts so that people won't say we're just another pair of crackpots.”</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiK2_ceybexfEWa8ArsHGb-Fa8jFRNjfpotk6W41jyjC7B1SuI5zmp5-5Kxl3fEzUB71dNTxB83DsOGLqKYD-59Wgx8nnGfsfm47CcR7Ah33k-Awv1aTBzsg7IPP5eYTm1FXJ39mDXMAng/s848/Rosemary+and+Carroll+Watts+UPI.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="848" data-original-width="825" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiK2_ceybexfEWa8ArsHGb-Fa8jFRNjfpotk6W41jyjC7B1SuI5zmp5-5Kxl3fEzUB71dNTxB83DsOGLqKYD-59Wgx8nnGfsfm47CcR7Ah33k-Awv1aTBzsg7IPP5eYTm1FXJ39mDXMAng/w622-h640/Rosemary+and+Carroll+Watts+UPI.jpg" width="622" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">The UPI Telephoto caption stated: “2/24/68 – Loco, Tex.</span><br style="text-align: start;" /><span style="text-align: start;">Carroll Watts and his wife Rosemary looked 2/24 at pictures he took last June of what he says is a spaceship from Mars. The Childress County, Tex., farmer is trying to get a Congressional inquiry into his report he saw, photographed and rode in the craft, manned by six Martians about 4 feet tall.”</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: large;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Charles Richards of UPI wrote his story borrowing space in the offices of the nearby The Childress Index newspaper. </span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;">UPI released a short story by wire Saturday night that launched a national press frenzy. AP’s version by Lee followed shortly thereafter, but the most detailed account by </span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Jim Maloney in </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">The Houston Post</i><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;">. </span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Watts said he “wanted more than anything else to have all of this verified” and welcomed any investigation of his story and photographs. When impatient reporters talked to Dr. Hynek a few days earlier about analysis, he had suggested that Watts be given a polygraph test. Watts readily agreed to do it. </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">The Houston Post</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> arranged the polygraph test and paid for it, set at 11:00 a.m. Sunday in Amarillo.</span></span></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-top: 0.05pt; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The Polygraph Test<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-top: 0.05pt; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;">Polygraph machines are often called lie detectors, but it doesn’t read the subject’s heart and soul, it only measures stress indicators in the subject’s body. It’s not infallible and good test results rely heavily on the skill and experience of the interviewer/operator. Law enforcement agencies find polygraph tests to be valuable in conducting interrogations, partly due to many subjects’ being intimidated by them. The guilty may crack and confess even before facing “psychological third degree” questioning in a polygraph test.</span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqeX7YLY1MuadNVeMcGtppZz6tB9SYizPuibEHJFzt7gpn62RcZ97B88rxdb3U9EnjghGNyj4a3gqxM4RJEsIIa4oQTsoi63KNa77sGVlHb0gpmxJWaT2gUSlfGm6P0Iy9PnbOQBLbzaI/s825/Polygraph+Test.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="637" data-original-width="825" height="335" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqeX7YLY1MuadNVeMcGtppZz6tB9SYizPuibEHJFzt7gpn62RcZ97B88rxdb3U9EnjghGNyj4a3gqxM4RJEsIIa4oQTsoi63KNa77sGVlHb0gpmxJWaT2gUSlfGm6P0Iy9PnbOQBLbzaI/w434-h335/Polygraph+Test.jpg" width="434" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><span>Watts’ story was on the front page of many newspapers across the USA on Sunday morning, Feb. 25, 1968. Watts left home at 7:30 a.m. for the drive of about 100 miles to Amarillo for his polygraph test. The examination was set for 11:00 a.m., conducted by Captain L. R. Wynne of Amarillo the Police Department. Wynne had a side gig - he was also one of six Texas state Board of Polygraph Examiners, and he owned the Amarillo Security Control Co. <i>The Houston Post</i> hired him and Wynne polygraphed Watts there at his private office. The process took about four hours, and afterwards Wynne gave a statement to the press and TV reporters, saying, “I’ve had 17 years’ experience and I’ve never heard anyone who told a story so well.” After looking at the four polygrams taken during Watt’s session he said, “There is not a shred of truth here.”<br /><br />Afterwards, Watts made an oral statement, telling the press that an Amarillo artist (Dord Fitz, whom he did not name) knocked on his door in January of 1967 soliciting art classes. When the Wellington UFO flap began, the artist returned with a scheme, saying, “I can furnish you with actual pictures of UFOs. What would you think about attending some art classes and displaying the pictures?” Watts agreed and said the artist came up with a script and had his wife type several copies of the story to “help him remember.” The artist’s two San Antonio associates hypnotized Watts twice at Fitz’s Amarillo studio, and twice more at his ranch in Higgins in order for him to memorize and rehearse the UFO script. Watts also shared copies of three of his best photos with the press, that he claimed were given to him by “the artist,” and said, "I still don't know how he got those pictures." </span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiMKEI28jXevX7F0UkJf0FhwKvwS6IeQEVpsz-Tf-3pjnEq07_PusSu0NhEh_xAYksgRq09ljnKWMLiRIuOVVbg0lrPPNpBINu7Qpj8UVFp_wvAJ7D2hSsmCQqb96E_cpXce8nWY5C10U8/s1125/Watts+Photo+Loftin.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="905" data-original-width="1125" height="514" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiMKEI28jXevX7F0UkJf0FhwKvwS6IeQEVpsz-Tf-3pjnEq07_PusSu0NhEh_xAYksgRq09ljnKWMLiRIuOVVbg0lrPPNpBINu7Qpj8UVFp_wvAJ7D2hSsmCQqb96E_cpXce8nWY5C10U8/w640-h514/Watts+Photo+Loftin.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Original in color. Black and white copy of Watts' most spectacular photo.</td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><span>Reporters asked Watts why he agreed to the polygraph test, and why he kept up the fraud after two days of questioning. “I felt I had to,” Watts said. "I didn't know how to stop it. The damn thing just got out of hand." Pressed for the motive or reason for the hoax, Watts said, “A fellow could have gotten a little money out of it. But not much.”</span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;">The coverage of the confession also disclosed a previously unreported chapter in Watts’ story, a second abduction yarn. Watts claimed that Dr. Hynek and Lt. Robert W. Nicholson had called him during the last spring and summer for clues to the disappearance of an Oklahoma airman who was kidnapped while on duty with a strike team probing an unidentified-radar blip. The airman had been wearing a tiny tracking transmitter strapped above his knee, and the beacon was found still beeping away days later in a Louisiana swamp. Watts said he’d been asked to help negotiate with the Martians for the airman’s release, but after failing the polygraph said, “They gave me that under hypnosis, too.”</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2ULio3SsehY254Gk-3hJT4gse0htL9Z87Vz8rNzZ3L7otieSObPUMW-64x7hS3jt6FOcs4D5iYoBU4fD47AA9nbxLxmiQ744d5O3OHvCPTz-YUf8Epx5dOu8nTN870jl7p-VgdqjfZiE/s575/Loco+Headline+Hypnosis.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="215" data-original-width="575" height="150" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2ULio3SsehY254Gk-3hJT4gse0htL9Z87Vz8rNzZ3L7otieSObPUMW-64x7hS3jt6FOcs4D5iYoBU4fD47AA9nbxLxmiQ744d5O3OHvCPTz-YUf8Epx5dOu8nTN870jl7p-VgdqjfZiE/w400-h150/Loco+Headline+Hypnosis.jpg" width="400" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhH-YWdEZGwXLiMaKgUs_8uMU4-p61LlFIbpIWObncjAGVeWoHku60OV7y0Yfh9G66ctms6zURWjNGBZ4JOsn0SzcyI5IdnSrAB5IvPMhm6qYq3ZNTaKECTMFN7FCJFz6B7yeOt3n9oOHc/s997/1968+02+26+Houston+Post+pg+1a.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="997" data-original-width="835" height="472" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhH-YWdEZGwXLiMaKgUs_8uMU4-p61LlFIbpIWObncjAGVeWoHku60OV7y0Yfh9G66ctms6zURWjNGBZ4JOsn0SzcyI5IdnSrAB5IvPMhm6qYq3ZNTaKECTMFN7FCJFz6B7yeOt3n9oOHc/w395-h472/1968+02+26+Houston+Post+pg+1a.jpg" width="395" /></span></a></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjPoSpB6hh_O6onMvULegrTHVfjwLUkfYqf57_BKfQ2A5siTeW3fO-cnvOdvyloLKeFBlZG5X2TFLB9Gpk9r9g_Zv3t2LbDuqhsG3ho7JBsqx51h5CTBtzjt0EzWE1VkuAZ08AJNf1pAAc/s805/1968+02+26+Vernon+Daily+Record+Bad+SF+headline+AP.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="460" data-original-width="805" height="229" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjPoSpB6hh_O6onMvULegrTHVfjwLUkfYqf57_BKfQ2A5siTeW3fO-cnvOdvyloLKeFBlZG5X2TFLB9Gpk9r9g_Zv3t2LbDuqhsG3ho7JBsqx51h5CTBtzjt0EzWE1VkuAZ08AJNf1pAAc/w400-h229/1968+02+26+Vernon+Daily+Record+Bad+SF+headline+AP.jpg" width="400" /></span></a></div><div style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;">Examples of the headlines that followed.</div><div style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;">Watts was adamant that (besides the artist and his two hypnotists) no one else was involved in the hoax. “The farmer said his wife, Rosemary, and his cousin, Donald Nunnelley, chief of police at Wellington… were unaware of what really was happening.”<br /><br /></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 16px; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 16px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The Retcon and the Retraction<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><i>Retcon</i> is defined by Merriam-Webster as “a shortened form of retroactive continuity… a literary device in which the form or content of a previously established narrative is changed.” Following the polygraph and its aftermath in Amarillo, Watts drove back to Loco. Precisely what occurred in the Watts home is unknown, but Carroll surely had a conversation with Rosemary, and she must have had something to say about it. All that’s documented is that later in the evening Rosemary called the police reporting they were under attack. Afterwards, she spoke to reporters giving them a retcon to the story, saying Watts had deliberately failed the polygraph.<br /><br /></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-top: 0.2pt; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;">John DeBaun of the <i>Amarillo Daily News </i></span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">reported he’d <span style="color: #040404;">spoken to </span>Rosemary Watts. “Late Sunday night several units at the Collingsworth and Childress County Sheriff's departments and highway patrol units were dispatched to the Watts farm after [Rosemary called] Wellington chief of police Nunnelley, and told them someone had fired several shots at [their] farmhouse. Watt's wife said… someone in the car had driven by and fired shots at the house about 10:30 p.m. ‘I put mattresses all around the house and told the kids to lie down on the floor,” she said. “I didn't know what to do.’ Watts fired several shots at the car with an M-1 rifle, she said.”</span></span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-top: 0.2pt; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-top: 0.2pt; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgX2SffbZzOQSGJq_3Y_7mV4xMhYiXEARpkJubMOMsDj00DFvg7D015zhko9ZUuRPC_4ms_kX4SzdYkWIgkxCsQsb5NBdKFB3N-0Kvq5cqovy069ftmSCngAl-nREa98eGxW4Q74P2XozE/s637/Watts+Attacks.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="437" data-original-width="637" height="275" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgX2SffbZzOQSGJq_3Y_7mV4xMhYiXEARpkJubMOMsDj00DFvg7D015zhko9ZUuRPC_4ms_kX4SzdYkWIgkxCsQsb5NBdKFB3N-0Kvq5cqovy069ftmSCngAl-nREa98eGxW4Q74P2XozE/w400-h275/Watts+Attacks.png" width="400" /></span></a></div><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-top: 0.2pt; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Rosemary told DeBaun that her husband failed the test because two men threatened his life and his family if he passed the polygraph. She refused to call her husband to the telephone saying he had already talked to too many people, but UPI somehow reached Carroll Watts and quoted him as saying, “I got a telephone call Saturday night warning me not to pass the test." Sunday heading to Amarillo, "I was on my way to the lie detector test. I saw a woman standing beside her car on the side of the road; she flagged me down. I thought she had a flat tire." Watts said when he stopped to help, he was hit and threatened by two men carrying automatic weapons. "They told me if I passed the polygraph test I would never make it home." UPI also reported, “Watts' nearest neighbor Hershal Mayhugh, who lives three-quarters of a mile away, said he heard no shots Sunday night, but that local and state police had thrown up roadblocks and were checking all passing cars.” Captain Wynne, who performed the examination of Watts, said "He failed it. You can pass a polygraph test on purpose, but you can’t fail one on purpose.” Reporters attempting to interview Watts after the UPI story were unable to reach him. The AP reported that “Donald Nunnelley, chief of police... joined officers in investigating the alleged shooting incident at the Watts’ farmhouse. ‘We could find no sign of anything,’ said Nunnelley.”</span></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-top: 0.2pt; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">So, in the revised narrative of Sunday night, there were allegedly three “silencer” actions surrounding the polygraph test; (1) the phone threat the night before, (2) the road ambush the morning of, then, (3) the shots fired on their home after Watts had failed as they asked. It only made much sense if the shots were a reminder to stay quiet… if so, it had the opposite effect. Immediately afterwards, Rosemary and Carroll instead were telling everyone that the UFO story was the truth after all.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-top: 0.2pt; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;">February 26 was another busy day for Watts. While the nation was reading the news stories of the hoax confession, Chief </span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Nunnelley spent Monday morning conferring with Watts, and probably helping to keep reporters away. Watts had asked for an investigation by the Condon Study. It was a day late, but he finally got his wish.</span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhW-ASatm7UKaMRU29przAZ57SXZL6xN6SVOfV_GL08q-Eog8A4soD8t_oMmqhvELOPCykCGbnky3Ceg9_Flk2qxPcXluTIQoOvhE1ERGbdnBWEWTT8wSXXc3Sfk5KglGcdiGRGa6n2iZ4/s825/Condon+-+Loftin.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="675" data-original-width="825" height="376" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhW-ASatm7UKaMRU29przAZ57SXZL6xN6SVOfV_GL08q-Eog8A4soD8t_oMmqhvELOPCykCGbnky3Ceg9_Flk2qxPcXluTIQoOvhE1ERGbdnBWEWTT8wSXXc3Sfk5KglGcdiGRGa6n2iZ4/w458-h376/Condon+-+Loftin.jpg" width="458" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">From </span><i style="text-align: start;">Identified Flying Saucers</i><span style="text-align: start;"> by Robert Loftin, 1968.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; mso-outline-level: 2; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;">Professor E. U. Condon’s UFO study drew on the volunteer manpower of about 60 people affiliated with UFO groups.</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“To supplement Air Force reporting, we set up our own Early Warning Network, a group of about 60 active volunteer field reporters, most of whom were connected with APRO or NICAP. They telephoned or telegraphed to us intelligence of UFO sightings in their own territory and conducted some preliminary investigation for us while our team was en route. Some of this cooperation was quite valuable.” (From <a name="_Hlk79667932"><i>Scientific Study Of Unidentified Flying Objects</i></a>, 1969, by Dr. Edward U. Condon & Walter Sullivan, page 33.)</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;">Robert E. Loftin was a coordinator for the Early Warning Network, who provided Condon with field reports for the study. Loftin was joined by James H. Hartley, and William P. Courter, who like him, were members of the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO). They were based in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and met with Watts after making the 300-mile drive to Loco. During their visit, Watts was interviewed and Loftin made a 90-minute tape of his entire story.</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiSMRijsY-Z3jmphxEfy035Hg57oa1RI8V7Br9iJlOlOxJI7tzskk8Z3u6qumzPcNJlH41X0M0IJBIRZWGmUzCDNsH-UKI_mGvRAUAVwoxzpI9znYOJZPui41aa9aU1Ej-114sHsR00PNc/s784/Photo+-+Loftin+Watts+Interview.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="626" data-original-width="784" height="512" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiSMRijsY-Z3jmphxEfy035Hg57oa1RI8V7Br9iJlOlOxJI7tzskk8Z3u6qumzPcNJlH41X0M0IJBIRZWGmUzCDNsH-UKI_mGvRAUAVwoxzpI9znYOJZPui41aa9aU1Ej-114sHsR00PNc/w640-h512/Photo+-+Loftin+Watts+Interview.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; text-align: start;">Robert Loftin, Watts, and William Courter. Photo by James H. Hartley.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;">Watts was adamant that the confession was forced, and his original account was the truth. One new twist emerged, Watts claimed that four of his pictures were in the hands of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the FBI had joined the others in analyzing his case. After Loftin and his team went back home, he sent his report and a copy of the tape to the Condon UFO Study.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; mso-outline-level: 2; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">That evening another ufologist called for an interview, Gray Barker from West Virginia. Watts was still avoiding the press, but Rosemary spoke to Barker. She gave him the story and named</span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> </span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">the artist her husband said was behind the hoaxed story and pictures: Dord Fitz.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 16px; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 16px;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 16px; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 16px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Fitz Reacts to the Accusations<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiptkRQDmxUWpnA0PbSu4moQj8lhA6F6rmNAhwEO_sbABJe1LifqwDVWWj3UTmcVdFswQ4E9JT8iM0rSeVzQEduvLabyEmNPzR4YvvgbaehcCW83asKgx7m84Isg291mylJ06IFsrXI9aI/s900/1968+02+26+Amarillo+Globe-Times+Headline.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="176" data-original-width="900" height="108" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiptkRQDmxUWpnA0PbSu4moQj8lhA6F6rmNAhwEO_sbABJe1LifqwDVWWj3UTmcVdFswQ4E9JT8iM0rSeVzQEduvLabyEmNPzR4YvvgbaehcCW83asKgx7m84Isg291mylJ06IFsrXI9aI/w547-h108/1968+02+26+Amarillo+Globe-Times+Headline.jpg" width="547" /></a></div><div><br /></div>Following Watts’ polygraph failure, Dord Fitz frantically called Dr. Hynek, but was only able reach a secretary who took this message:</div><blockquote>“VERY IMORTANT… Call in morning before 10:00 A.M. T.V. show at 1:00 in Texas. Mr. Fitz said man who testified about UFO has falsely reported your story to the newspapers. This man, apparently is ready for psychiatric help. Anyway, Mr. Fitz wants to help rectify situation on T.V. newscast.”</blockquote>There’s no record of that broadcast, but a story appeared in the Amarillo papers with Dord Fitz identified as “the artist,” and he denied playing a role in the hoax. In stories in the Feb. 26 and 27 <i>Amarillo-Globe Times</i>, “Artist Link In UFO Tale?,” and “Artist Denies Part In Watts UFO Hoax,” Fitz said he met Watts in mid-June 1967, checked him out and set up testimonials etc., but he also tried to downplay his involvement with Watts. When Watts told his story, Fitz said, "He sort of did it like a robot. I didn't believe him or disbelieve him at the time. I wrote it down and my wife typed it." He admitted to arranging the hypnosis, but as a tool to uncover the truth Fitz said that afterwards he didn’t talk to Watts again until Sept. when he first heard about the UFO photographs from a student, and Watts then told him he was afraid to mention them sooner, fearing they’d be confiscated. Responding to Watts’ allegations that he’d supplied the hoaxed photos, Fitz said, “I don’t own a Polaroid camera… I have never owned one. I don’t even know how to operate one.” Fitz said, "I'm really worried about what this will do to Dr. Hynek and his work. This has done irreparable damage to the serious study in this field.”</span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;"> </span></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Life Magazine’s Holland McCombs<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;">The press asked Holland McCombs about the aborted the </span><i><span style="font-size: medium;">Life </span></i><span style="font-size: medium;">magazine article.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"> “[McCombs] of Life in Dallas, said he talked to Watts and his wife last September but could not remember ever meeting the artist. ...He said Watts and his wife showed him about eight or nine Polaroid prints most of them of a little man or of what Watts claimed was the ship.”</span></blockquote><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>(From </span><i><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;">The Orlando Sentinel</span></i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">, Feb.27, 1968, Page 27 (UPI) “<a href="https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/224293653/" target="_blank">‘Space Traveler’ defends stories</a>.”) </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Holland McCombs sent a red-faced note to </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Life</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> headquarters in New York saying that Watts “turned out to be one helluva convincing story teller.” He tried to salvage things by looking into how it all had happened. Writing another </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Life</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> editor, McCombs said:</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-top: 0.05pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“Now seems only story is story of the hoax. Talked to two Altus AFB officers who interviewed and taped Watts at the time. Also talked Dr. Hynek… and he said: ‘If this is a hoax, it is a very, very clever one. In fact it would be such a clever hoax it would be almost as interesting as what this farmer claimed has happened to him.’ …After breakdown during polygraph… Watts claims all was scripted by artist (who probably fixed up with pix) and memorized in farm sessions hypnosis. …I thought [Watts was] dependable and sincere, perhaps victim of psychological hysteria but none of us thought he was hoaxing. Now claims he expected money from caper. But when came to me last summer was un-hypnotized and certainly averse to seeking money out of us. ...Advise if interested hoax story.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Dr. Hynek’s Reaction<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The <i>Chicago Tribune</i>, Feb. 26, 1968, printed the AP story, but with an original segment quoting Hynek, “Mars Story Really Hoax, Texan Admits.” (Full text of Hynek section.)<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></b></p><blockquote><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Hynek Comment<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Dr. Hynek said last night that without the lie test the hoax probably never would have been uncovered. Hynek, contacted at his home in Evanston, also said that the investigation is “by no means over” and he suggested that the farmer's explanation really may be part of another hoax.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">“Mr. Watts may have been a very sad dupe of someone, and this should be actionable - if there is a hypnotist,” Hynek said. But until Watts names the hypnotist and he is found, Hynek said, there remains the chance that the hypnotism story is yet another fabrication. “Is he now using the story as an excuse, or was he indeed the victim? I really don't think this simple farmer has a technical ability to perpetrate a hoax, but it's up to him to name the hypnotist. I wish I had the time and money to go down there and investigate the thing myself. It's very interesting”</span></span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 1.8pt; margin: 1.8pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJeBTnlKwDvsvik59uM1fXuRc9V3QnUYPJ-DCla857tTLpRq5xlsGwE_xwFIHqYX-JV8USYUKaaUUfTuGKP9v_HYbaodXUBEm9WNxwFk6N0dx7YzugAsMtej59yjNAoIZIj3DDx0tjXQs/s345/Hynek+Baffled.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="345" data-original-width="257" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJeBTnlKwDvsvik59uM1fXuRc9V3QnUYPJ-DCla857tTLpRq5xlsGwE_xwFIHqYX-JV8USYUKaaUUfTuGKP9v_HYbaodXUBEm9WNxwFk6N0dx7YzugAsMtej59yjNAoIZIj3DDx0tjXQs/w298-h400/Hynek+Baffled.jpg" width="298" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Dr. J. Allen Hynek</td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-top: 1.8pt;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Lawrence Lee of AP also called Dr. J. Allen Hynek for a comment. Hynek </span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;">thought the Watts case had done serious harm to serious UFO research and said, “From now on, everyone will say everything is just a hoax.”</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;">In Hynek’s quarterly Project Blue Book <a href="http://documents.theblackvault.com/bluebookdesk/jallenhynek-bills.pdf" target="_blank">expense report</a>, one entry involved the Watts case. Hynek’s spelling was off, but he was referring to Dord Fitz and Dr. William Rense, a physics professor at University of Colorado, who knew Fitz, and shared his interest in ESP.<br /><blockquote>“2/23: Called Arnett, Oklahoma with respect to the Wellington, Texas, case. I talked with Mr. Fitts who was reported to have been the hypnotist who supposedly infused Mr. Watts with his phony story. Mr. Fitts, however, turned out to be a good friend of Dr. Ranse, a physicist at Boulder who got his Master's degree with me years ago, and he gave Mr. Fitts a clean bill of health. The whole Wellington case smells.”</blockquote>Hynek’s <a href="http://documents.theblackvault.com/bluebookdesk/hynekcorrespondence.pdf" target="_blank">report to Major Hector Quintanilla</a> dated June 4, 1968, devoted 2 ½ pages to the Watts episode, saying “I had a great personal involvement in this case, much of it independent of official Project Blue Book business.” He downplayed his role and interest, but acknowledged Watts had “rather remarkable color polaroid photographs.” Then he said:</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><blockquote>“The pictures were sent up and examined by Mr. Fred Beckman and me. There is nothing on the picture to suggest that it was not a hoax, and we did not spend too much time in any detailed analysis.” Hynek also phoned “the sheriff in Wellington” to ask about Watts’ credibility. “The sheriff volunteered the information that - to make a long story short - the man was not too bright, and from his standpoint alone a photographic hoax seemed unlikely. He volunteered, however, that if a hoax were involved, Mrs. Watts would be the more likely engineer of such a hoax.”</blockquote>Shortly after the episode with Watts, Hynek visited Jacques Vallee in Paris, and he seemed to feel bitter. Vallee’s journal entry from <i>Forbidden Science</i> Vol. I, March 18, 1968:<br /><blockquote>“Hynek acknowledges he feels an emotional need to get even with Menzel, Condon, Klass and the rest of the skeptics. His colleagues' attitude towards him is changing to the point of contempt, and this pains him. He is not taken seriously among astronomers any more.”</blockquote></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The Last Press<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Jim Maloney of the </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Houston Post</i><b style="font-family: Times, serif;"> </b><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">wrote a follow up piece published on Feb. 27, </span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">“Citizens of Loco still Claim ‘Things’ Around.” Watts was not talking, but he spoke to area citizens including a café owner who said, “This is all kind of embarrassing to us… a thing like this don’t go away in a hurry.” Chief of Police, Donald Lee Nunnelley said, “There are a lot of folks here that are ready to knock each other around. They are choosing sides.” Many people in the area had UFO sightings, he said, “I can get you 50 of them for an official investigation, all who have seen these things.”</span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjxjjhNOsQj4HA1kLJ_yWUiQHx6AfZVt1eYGHbT28fOi02Rhi2cY_pw09HEAV9XAAwN9m7EKZDQC3-TxS2Otygw66RUT8Y_GvjBf4sS_0s-E4M9Q3LXiqOtuwmm_NO40UCp5MY5lJt7XmU/s625/Chief+Alvis+Maddox.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="405" data-original-width="625" height="259" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjxjjhNOsQj4HA1kLJ_yWUiQHx6AfZVt1eYGHbT28fOi02Rhi2cY_pw09HEAV9XAAwN9m7EKZDQC3-TxS2Otygw66RUT8Y_GvjBf4sS_0s-E4M9Q3LXiqOtuwmm_NO40UCp5MY5lJt7XmU/w400-h259/Chief+Alvis+Maddox.jpg" width="400" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; text-align: start;">Chief Alvis Maddox</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"><br /></span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Childress Chief of Police Alvis Maddox had laughed at the Watts story, but on the night of March 2, he had his own UFO sighting. While driving on US Highway 83, as he returned home from Wellington, he saw a large bright object hovering about 500 or 1,000 feet in the air. Maddox eliminated the possibility that it was a plane or helicopter since there were no navigation lights. He chased the object down the road at speeds of 105 mph. “I followed it for about 14 minutes, but it left me,” Maddox said. Even with a witness of his stature, the sighting couldn’t overcome the hit to the credibility of the UFO topic from the Watts fiasco.</span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;">The media had moved on, but ufologists were still nibbling at the bait. Larry Moyers, co-president of the Akron, Ohio, Unidentified Flying Objects and Flying Saucers Investigating Committee, called Watts a few days after the polygraph. Watts agreed to talk to him but said, “…for the safety and benefit of my family, I – we’ve labelled it a hoax. And intend to stay with it until an official investigation comes out to state otherwise…” Watts recited his original narrative, but <a href="https://youtu.be/ajLwTZJ_YnI" target="_blank">the surviving version of the tape</a> abruptly ends at about 35 minutes, before the abduction story was finished. Therefore, no mention of the polygraph, confession, Fitz, silencers or the rest.</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-top: 0.05pt; mso-pagination: none; text-autospace: none;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;">A few days later, the 18-year-old Kevin Randle paid an unannounced visit on March 9 to Watts to get the UFO story. Watts took a break from painting his house to recite the tale, and even agreed to let the young stranger tape it. According to Watts, the polygraph test had not been planned far in advance. “</span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">The deal started Saturday night. How it started was the AP and the <i>Houston Post</i> was going to come up here and gather a bunch of information and send it back to Professor Hynek for evaluation and release.” Randle found that Watts’ narrative contained elements familiar to UFO lore. “I wanted to know if he had read anything about UFOs and he said that he hadn’t. …but when he opened the middle drawer of a desk, I saw several UFO books inside. He did read UFO material and then had lied about it.” Kevin Randle did nothing with his Watts interview until using it </span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;">in chapter 2 of his memoirs, <i>Reflections</i></span><i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> of a UFO Investigator,</span></i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> Anomalist Books, 2012.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The Men in Black</span></span></b></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Back on the evening of Feb. 26, ufologist Gray Barker called and spoke to Rosemary Watts, and she gave him a brief rundown of the story, including the alleged threats and attack. While hastily taking notes of the call, Barker wrote down “CIA” three times. After the call he sent a letter seeking an interview, enclosing his 1956 book, <i>They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers</i> and an issue of <i>Saucer News</i> (which he’d recently acquired from Jim Moseley). Barker was sympathetic and warned the couple not to talk to anyone from NICAP. In the 2-page, <i>Saucer News Non-Scheduled Newsletter</i>, #30, March 10, 1968, Barker gave a summary of the polygraph story including the artist whose name transcribed as “Dord Fipz.” Barker thought the hoax status was forced - or a set-up. He claimed to have spoken to the witness and said, “Watts told me he personally feels that the CIA is behind a conspiracy to both discredit him and Flying Saucers!”<br /><br /><i>Saucer News</i>, Vol. 15, No. 1, Spring 1968, was the first issue written and published by Gray Barker, and it featured his 5-page article, “The Watts Case.” It gave a summary of the Wellington area sightings based on newspaper accounts and Robert Loftin's report, presenting an embellished version of Watts’s story. (Barker’s account of Watts’ tale added some fictional details for drama and storytelling purposes, subsequently repeated in UFO literature as factual.) Back in 1953, Al Bender quit his International Flying Saucer Bureau, using the excuse that strange men in dark suits had threatened him into silence. Based on that tale, Barker developed and popularized the mythology of “the Men in Black.” With Watts’ story, Barker seized on the claim of being intimidated into failing the polygraph and exploited it to perpetuate his ongoing MIB storyline. Many UFO fans wanted to believe Watts’ confession retraction, and Barker’s portrayal helped salvage things and sell the story of Watts as a victim of the UFO cover-up.<br /><br />Meanwhile, a review of Philip Klass’ skeptical book <i>UFOs – Identified</i> appeared in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, March 24, 1968. “The recent hoax sighting of a Martian spaceship at Loco helps make this book timely reading.”</span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> </span></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Loftin’s Interest Endures<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 19.26px;"><o:p><span> </span></o:p></span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">After Robert Loftin</span><span style="color: #040404; font-family: Times, serif;"> prepared his report on the Watts case for the Condon UFO Study, he also shared details of it to various UFO researchers and played the tape of the story for APRO meetings.<a name="_Hlk86061592"> </a></span><span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Loftin </span></span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">continued to be interested in the Watts case and corresponded with Donald Keyhoe and his associates at NICAP about it. On March 19, 1968, Loftin wrote, “Dr. Hynek gave these photos the same kind of build-up that he gave the Jaroslaw photos. Is this part of the deceit program of the Air Force? I wonder.” On April 3, 1968, Loftin wrote saying, “Watts admitted that the story of him being hypnotized and furnished with phoney photographs is a lie. He is being sued for slander for implication of two innocent men.” (That must have referred to Dord Fitz and Jose Silva.) Loftin included copies of the 3 surviving Watts’ photos and said, “I am very skeptical of all contactee stories, but there is something about this case that fascinates me.”</span></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Loftin kept pursuing the case and arranged for a second polygraph in the spring, and Watts agreed to travel “to undergo hypnotic tests at the Tulsa University and to undergo truth drug tests under leading Tulsa psychiatrists.” However, when the time came, Watts refused to go. (<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20110816110145/http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1968/June_1968.pdf" target="_blank"><i>Skylook</i> vol. 1, No. 10, June 1968</a>.) <br /><br />Watts subsequently agreed to take vocational and personality tests given by Dr. R. Leo Sprinkle, associate professor of psychology at the University of Wyoming (a pro-Contactee UFO advocate and hypnotist). Watts completed an Adjective Checklist (ACL), and the Strong Vocational Interest Blank (SVIB) and the re results indicated him to be a “serious, sober individual… dependable and persevering.” (Tony Kimery, <i>Official UFO</i>, Oct. 1976)<br /></span><br /></span></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgo-G004uSJFMrNNLz1bO3HOTNVxiLHvwIasjB_VGk1o6pgLQL1JoEf2OG_Sq2O3_1YTk-ePAd4SkTXc0Xhud4R6qttt-ykjSsmI_kKpxiBD-hbi244Fe5xXvMigsGzfAXCB1oUVYiU0Ug/s740/Watts+Loftin+FS+Aug+1968.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="740" data-original-width="663" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgo-G004uSJFMrNNLz1bO3HOTNVxiLHvwIasjB_VGk1o6pgLQL1JoEf2OG_Sq2O3_1YTk-ePAd4SkTXc0Xhud4R6qttt-ykjSsmI_kKpxiBD-hbi244Fe5xXvMigsGzfAXCB1oUVYiU0Ug/w359-h400/Watts+Loftin+FS+Aug+1968.jpg" width="359" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">From <i>Flying Saucers</i>, Aug. 1968</td></tr></tbody></table><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />Mr. and Mrs. Watts traveled to Chicago in early spring to be filmed telling their story for a new UFO television series hosted by Frank E. Stranges, <i><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2017/12/lost-ufo-films-socorro-and-frank.html)" target="_blank">Flying Saucers - Here and Now</a></i>. Investigator Robert Loftin was also on board for the episode. The series was intended to be aired on NBC (or syndicated), but was never broadcast. Frank Stranges featured show footage in some of his lectures and UFO conferences. After the release of his book later that year, <i>Identified Flying Saucers</i>, Robert Loftin was on his way to Tucson when he “suffered a heart attack the evening of Nov. 21st (1968) while en route to a UFO meeting and was dead upon arrival at a medical center.” (<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20110816105943/http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1969/January_1969.pdf" target="_blank"><i>Skylook</i>, No. 14, January 1969</a>.)<br /><br />NICAP received a goofy letter about the Watts case from Tony Kimery, director of the “Interplanetary Intelligence Research Organization on UFOs.” He wrote April 4, 1968, saying, “Our staff are qualified people in the field. … We called Watts approximately two weeks ago. We sort of interviewed him…” </span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;">Regarding the alleged men who shot at the farmhouse: “Mr. Watts said that from what he could find out on the men that silenced him [they were] from some big organization. One of them was Barker from West Virginia and the other Keel from New York.” That’d be Gray Barker and John Keel, but they were myth-making ufologists, not gunslingers for the Men in Black.<br /><br />Kimery’s fellow UFO club member Steve McNallen visited the Wellington area in July and didn’t speak to Watts but interviewed police chief Donald Nunnelley who recounted the story as if he still thought the events were genuine. McNallen made a handwritten 3-page report, “Recent Developments on the ‘Contact’ at Loco, Texas – The Watts Sighting.” Afterwards, McNallen received a letter from Watts postmarked Aug. 6, 1968, that said, “I certainly hope that someone can help me prove my story to be true someday.”<br /><br /><br /></span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: .5pt; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="color: #2d2d2d; font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Watts’ Story versus UFO Lore<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />Watt’s narrative is interesting for the way the story develops, and for its numerous similarities to previous UFO accounts. His conversation with an unseen voice was reminiscent of Dan Fry’s first encounter. The description of the bodies of the aliens was almost identical to passages from <i>The Interrupted Journey</i>, the book on the Betty and Barney Hill abduction story. So were other elements; telepathy, the physical examination, seeing an alien map, the attempt to get a souvenir to prove the encounter – even the use of hypnosis to uncover more of the encounter. Other story points such as the aliens’ peaceful intent, Watts’ escalating series of encounters (implying he was “chosen’), them giving him a ride in a saucer, were all throwbacks to the classic Contactee scenario. There were also familiar elements from other reports, his vehicle stopping from electromagnetic interference from the UFO, the aliens surveying the earth, and his determination to get either physical evidence or photographs to prove his story. One scene was nearly identical to that of <a href="https://www.newspapers.com/clip/64987173/5764/" target="_blank">Gary T. Wilcox</a>, who claimed on April 24, 1964, that at his dairy farm in New York that 4 ft tall aliens wearing cover-all type suits emerged from a whitish aluminum hovering metal ship egg-shaped structure. They apparently spoke via telepathy and said, “We are from what you know as the planet Mars.”<br /><br />Watts’ storytelling technique itself was unusual for UFO encounters. Hoaxers often give story details that go beyond what a participant should know about alien visitors if the story were genuine. Watts only talked about what he saw, and the aliens told him, no more. His story was based entirely from his point of view, often describing things he experienced but (seemingly) didn’t understand, such as feeling thrown back in his seat, then feeling cold, etc. The listener would interpret the clues and feel like a clever detective for figuring out that what was described was lift-off, leaving the atmosphere, docking with the larger ship and so on. Thus, some of the most fantastic claims were supplied by the audience, not Watts himself. It was good enough to persuade many, including Life magazine’s chief in Dallas. It wasn’t enough, though. The Polaroids were tacked on to prop up the story, and the pictures really closed the sale.<br /><br />In January 2013 I contacted one of the original reporters who shared clippings of his articles. John DeBaun told me:</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><blockquote>“I don't recall that Carroll Wayne Watts was particularly credible but he was pretty insistent with his story… I wrote a lot for the Amarillo paper in my youthful days and I don't think I actually shared this story too much with editors I was trying to impress when I was looking for another job because it was so goofy. I viewed it as interesting that people would actually claim such a thing so insistently and not because I believed it at all -- although I wasn't there and I can't say for sure what happened to Watts.”</blockquote><div><span style="font-size: medium;">At this point, we can only speculate based on the evidence. It's most likely that Watts' post-polygraph confession was the closest to the truth, but he shifted most of the blame off of himself on to Dord Fitz. Watts and a friend or family accomplice probably came up with the story and photographs themselves. Fitz served as a catalyst though, acting like a manager and press agent. Intentionally or not, he helped Watts' story get "better," told more smoothly and accompanied with character witness testimonials and exhibits to package it for success. When things fell apart, all parties looked out for their own skin. For Watts, the story of being threatened away from his saucer story was a way out. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div>It’s funny that Watts supposedly accused Barker and Keel of being his attackers. In reality, they were the biggest boosters for his story. John Keel recycled Gray Barker’s <i>Saucer News</i> piece on Watts as part of “Behind the FBI’s Undercover Flying Saucer Investigations,” an article in the lurid <i>Men</i> magazine, October 1968. Keel mixed fact, fantasy, and journalistic errors taking the story further into Men in Black mythology. It was reprinted in Keel’s 1970 book, <i>Strange Creatures From Time and Space</i>.</span></div><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEirzav1bVquEo1FFnfLj-1JJRDaam9Km5S5-y0sd2vt5mnLSfTYqxac2QCmHlxI0lARJH84UY1LMWOhIqYj9tQAnsPhpsP14QpQEehQ2iPX6ttB-TLHESip2DkcjbyKJ_alTQBMNKO2i64/s400/Keel%252C+Barker%252C+and+Moseley.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="400" data-original-width="400" height="446" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEirzav1bVquEo1FFnfLj-1JJRDaam9Km5S5-y0sd2vt5mnLSfTYqxac2QCmHlxI0lARJH84UY1LMWOhIqYj9tQAnsPhpsP14QpQEehQ2iPX6ttB-TLHESip2DkcjbyKJ_alTQBMNKO2i64/w446-h446/Keel%252C+Barker%252C+and+Moseley.jpg" width="446" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">John Keel, Gray Barker, and fellow MIB myth-maker, Jim Moseley.</span></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: .5pt; margin-top: .2pt; margin: 0.2pt 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: .5pt; margin-top: .2pt; margin: 0.2pt 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Life After the Headlines<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><o:p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></o:p></span></p><span style="font-size: medium;">Most of the life of Carroll Wayne Watts and his wife Rosemary after 1968 is sparsely documented, but between then and 1981 they had three more children together. Meanwhile, Donald Nunnelley resigned as police chief in the fall of 1971, and moved from Wellington to Amarillo, leaving Carroll without his cousin’s counsel - or protection.<br /><br />Rosemary Watts was still supporting the story in the early 1970s, according to ufologist Timothy Good’s <i>Alien Base</i>, 1998. Rosemary corresponded with Henry Johnson, who was briefly married to Madeline Rodeffer (an advocate of George Adamski’s Contactee tales). Describing the photo of the Martian, Rosemary said, “We would certainly have liked to have had a full view of him and also one that was more clear, but it was the last of the film in the [pack] and he didn’t have time to reload the camera and take another one.”<br /><br />At the time of the UFO incidents, Watts had a spotless record in the community. Afterwards, things changed, and he developed a reputation for being "overbearing" and "a bully,” and Watts’ family physician sent him for psychiatric treatment in 1976. The circumstances are not recorded, but the local newspaper carried a notice in April from Carroll and Rosemary about their house burning, saying, “We would like to thank Wellington Fire Department for their help in trying to save our house at Loco also to all others who gave their help that night.”</span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiCIgdaGRM6ghhRS_AK766keotEIRDpnEOnOCSEu9dIDW25CYZjnlTR06osDCJVIuWdsnnxeo0OTF3sgS90Sa8vmSpZqE_Y5TczYTFjfcqtBBrxPETDkSVrYeJcVNQSZUi3wp-EALE69Ys/s506/Gj6dmqTuja6B.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="301" data-original-width="506" height="238" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiCIgdaGRM6ghhRS_AK766keotEIRDpnEOnOCSEu9dIDW25CYZjnlTR06osDCJVIuWdsnnxeo0OTF3sgS90Sa8vmSpZqE_Y5TczYTFjfcqtBBrxPETDkSVrYeJcVNQSZUi3wp-EALE69Ys/w400-h238/Gj6dmqTuja6B.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-size: medium;">Watts’ story was featured in the article “Carroll Wayne Watts: Contactee, Hoaxer or Innocent Bystander?” by Tony Kimery, in <i>Official UFO</i>, Oct. 1976. Most of the text recycled Gray Barker’s <i>Saucer News</i> article, but it contained a new statement by Watts, probably from a letter:<br /><blockquote>“There were several serious threats made to me and my family, and I found out I had stumbled onto something more serious than I had expected… I haven’t cooperated with any magazine before, because I didn’t want to get things stirred up again. … I decided, due to the seriousness of the situation... that I had better just swallow my pride and forget the whole thing. However, if you want to get mixed up in this and try to straighten it out as it should have been released, I will cooperate the best I can.”</blockquote>There were also a few new claims of missing evidence; that when Robert Loftin and his investigators had come to Wellington, their hotel room had been robbed and some material was taken. Also, Watts claimed he sent his Polaroid originals by registered mail to Dr. Condon in March 1968, and that when he asked about their return, he was told they were lost.<br /><br />On June 2, 1977, Watts was arrested for a series of violent incidents that included firing a 12-gauge shotgun into a house and in the getaway, ramming the sheriff’s car with his truck. He was apprehended when officers shot out three of his tires. Somehow, Watts avoided conviction, it was apparently then that his doctor sent him to Rusk State Hospital in 1977 for psychiatric evaluation. Court records describe some peculiar behavior, but no arrests for the next few years. Perhaps foreshadowed by Rosemary and Carroll’s divorce in August of 1981.<br /><br />On October 3, 1981, Watts pointed a gun at several teenagers and chased one threatening to kill him, and after the kid got away, Watts left, got a beer and told someone he intended to shoot a cop. When police attempted to pursue and arrest him, during the high-speed chase Watts fired six shots at them hitting the vehicle twice. They shot out his rear truck tire and captured him. At trial in March of 1983, the District Attorney said, “He (Watts) has had a past history of problems with the law and people stood up and said 'we're tired of it.'” </span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0pPCLaikFN9TESfXkau1APE9s0sKIf5BuU0x_QuBfBw9R7SkSf82uz0Ug8GGnpi-KSwaF5h9R8ttrEMUkhAosOcnb8gX1Um4c1e60jKtB6gEdZTibogutK8UBo4lt825lyNN3zlILKT0/s699/Guilty.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="206" data-original-width="699" height="188" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0pPCLaikFN9TESfXkau1APE9s0sKIf5BuU0x_QuBfBw9R7SkSf82uz0Ug8GGnpi-KSwaF5h9R8ttrEMUkhAosOcnb8gX1Um4c1e60jKtB6gEdZTibogutK8UBo4lt825lyNN3zlILKT0/w640-h188/Guilty.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i>Wellington Leader</i>, March 10, 1983</td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;">The defense attorney introduced the insanity plea saying Watts had “a psychotic organic brain syndrome and temporal lobal epilepsy which rendered him unable to determine right from wrong and therefore legally insane at the time.” The jury didn’t buy it and Watts was convicted for the crimes, sentenced to 20 years in the Texas Department of Corrections.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br />The case was appealed in 1984, The file, “<a href="https://www.anylaw.com/case/carroll-wayne-watts-v-state-texas/court-of-appeals-of-texas/11-29-1984/DslaYGYBTlTomsSBnvAl" target="_blank">Carroll Wayne Watts v. the State of Texas</a>” describes the dramatic crimes, the legal case, and the insanity defense in great detail. The appeal failed.<br /><br />We couldn’t locate the records of Watts’ incarceration, but during this time, Rosemary and Carroll Watts were remarried on May 10, 1984. It didn’t last. They were re-divorced on Sept. 17, 1984. Rosemary married Dalton D. Konkler on September 26, 1992 in Collingsworth County, Texas. As for Carroll, his 1996 residence was given as Lubbock, most likely in a mental health facility of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. The only available detail comes from a UFO and alien abduction researcher. Don Worley’s article appeared in <i>Flying Saucer Review</i>, Vl. 42 No. 2, 1997, stating that at that time, Watts was in a Texas State Prison cell. Worley’s <a href="http://www.abduct.com/worley/worley8.php" target="_blank">sympathetic and distorted account</a> said, “Watts began to have behavioral problems and his brother told me that he was influenced by a stranger who had showed up. Paranoia set in and Watts began to believe that certain people were out to get him. Finally out of mistaken fear he pulled a gun on an officer of the law.” Watts was quoted as saying, </span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><blockquote>“The incident cost me my wife, my children, $285,000, my freedom, and my health (heart trouble). Simply because something happened to me that I didn't understand and that I talked about. I think that I would have been better off if I had died in the incident.”</blockquote>The date of Watts’ release from incarceration and details of his life afterwards are not public, except that he moved to Mansfield, Texas. Carroll Wayne Watts <a href="https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/26831341/carroll-wayne-watts" target="_blank">died on Sunday, May 11, 2008</a>, at the age of 69. His family requested that memorials be made to a mental health care facility in Amarillo, known today as Texas Panhandle Centers (TPC).</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><div><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>The Lost Evidence</b> </span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Most of the exhibits and primary evidence in the Carroll Wayne Watts UFO case have been lost. What remains is mostly poor black and white copies of the photos and newspaper stories. Archives of UFO researchers sometimes contain buried treasures, however. </span><span style="font-size: medium;">Dr. Hynek had a large collection of UFO photographs that he sometimes used in his lectures. There was an unlabeled color photo included in a subset titled, “IFOs and Clouds.” Coming across it recently, I recognized it as one of Watts UFO Polaroids. For some reason, Hynek's slide was cropped to remove the horizon. As of this writing, it is the only known surviving color photo from Watts’ UFO story.</span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2fY0VFFEImKqX82wWj-VjIxv2hHtEzfkhYDXK-FLiPPFtb2_gzlt_nbhBrPuM_3SGl6tD_ubOIVlF-zfPKdTsiv6CIpAPcMrgyl2kjtAENs20VdE5C2pesRL59rjeAkI7-y59GkCIB4M/s826/Watts+Color.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="546" data-original-width="826" height="424" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2fY0VFFEImKqX82wWj-VjIxv2hHtEzfkhYDXK-FLiPPFtb2_gzlt_nbhBrPuM_3SGl6tD_ubOIVlF-zfPKdTsiv6CIpAPcMrgyl2kjtAENs20VdE5C2pesRL59rjeAkI7-y59GkCIB4M/w640-h424/Watts+Color.jpg" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Hynek's slide of Watts' color UFO photo.</td></tr></tbody></table><div style="text-align: center;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnaYpcXDrA-oyvn8ZthX2Wo_tzPH7WIk0QW9-QULcMzzeRzaqM22bV33_qGWHwVHOipcIqitDT5xknMuHtSYjaItbLmXVsSUCsciabKavD6BiDB9R0XbhyphenhyphenHG7BcxxhwZ1isBTxm86-Tzg/s480/Watts+Color+Overlay.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="376" data-original-width="480" height="502" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnaYpcXDrA-oyvn8ZthX2Wo_tzPH7WIk0QW9-QULcMzzeRzaqM22bV33_qGWHwVHOipcIqitDT5xknMuHtSYjaItbLmXVsSUCsciabKavD6BiDB9R0XbhyphenhyphenHG7BcxxhwZ1isBTxm86-Tzg/w640-h502/Watts+Color+Overlay.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">Superimposed on the black and white copy to indicate portions cropped from each.</span></td></tr></tbody></table></div></span><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0.2pt;"><br /></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="line-height: 16px; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .05pt; margin: 0.05pt 0in 0in;"><b><span style="color: #040404; font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Epilogue: The Fallout from the Watts Case</span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Dr. Hynek and Watts had a reunion of sorts in the </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Chicago Tribune</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">, May 18, 1969. “U.F.O. Reports Rapped as ‘Waste of Time’” featured Hynek slamming the Condon UFO Study, and the accompanying illustration was Watts’ photo.</span></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-MXsAx7GE4p3zaItEO1suHy3G9VX8A5rW0MeonfgrpTPo62bav4Z2a9PKaqvUvajY2r9z6wKwlMhOggt3dR0Ia3-aA2cZ1zJd-6EcMmva14IjkcKoHdD-4-nCtYsK0dewB8TVFRBCSfY/s1139/1969+05+18+Chicago+Tribune+May+18+1969.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1015" data-original-width="1139" height="570" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-MXsAx7GE4p3zaItEO1suHy3G9VX8A5rW0MeonfgrpTPo62bav4Z2a9PKaqvUvajY2r9z6wKwlMhOggt3dR0Ia3-aA2cZ1zJd-6EcMmva14IjkcKoHdD-4-nCtYsK0dewB8TVFRBCSfY/w640-h570/1969+05+18+Chicago+Tribune+May+18+1969.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i style="font-family: Times, serif; text-align: start;">Chicago Tribune</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif; text-align: start;">, May 18, 1969</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;">The Carroll Wayne Watts case was not included in the Condon UFO Study’s published conclusions in 1969, but it was mentioned in passing, the “…national disclosure of a photographic UFO hoax in Texas…” The scandalous case may have negatively influenced the study’s findings. Dr. Condon’s concluded in Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects: “Careful consideration of the record as it is available to us leads us to conclude that further extensive study of UFOs probably cannot be justified in the expectation that science will be advanced thereby.” The Air Force had the excuse it longed for. Project Blue Book was shut down.</span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Watts’ tale was an evolutionary step in the abduction narrative and how aliens are depicted. Peter Rogerson noted in <a href="http://magoniamagazine.blogspot.com/2013/11/notes-towards-revisionist-history-of_30.html" target="_blank"><i>Magonia</i> magazine, June 1994</a> that: </span></span></p><p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: .5pt; margin: 0.5pt 0in 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"></span></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">“the Watts story has been excommunicated from the ufological canon. Nevertheless we see many features which will crop up in later stories, and the construction of a new group of beings a step further towards the Greys: smaller than the Hills’ abductors and kitted out in Socorro-style white coveralls instead of the Hill’s sailor-suits.”</span></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">Did Watts’ exposure by polygraph cause Dr. J. Allen Hynek to put undue trust in them? In Hynek’s 1972 book, </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">The UFO-Experience</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">, he said when assessing the credibility of a UFO witness, “It would be most helpful in the Probability Rating assignment if ‘lie detector' and other psychological tests were available.” Discussing the 1973 Pascagoula Abduction case of Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker, Hynek said, “I saw how Charlie behaved under hypnosis and finally the lie detector test. All those things convinced me that he was not making it up.” (Quoted in </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">The Close Encounters Man</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> by Mark O'Connell.) A few years later, Dr. Hynek appeared on Geraldo Rivera’s ABC talk show, </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Good Night America</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> on June 9th, 1977. Discussing the Travis Walton story, Hynek said, “They took lie detector tests and passed them. We have some two dozen similar abduction cases currently being studied. </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">Something is going on</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">!”</span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;">In the late 1980s, Ed Walters’ series of Polaroid pictures of UFOs caused a sensation. When Walters was later exposed as a hoaxer, it caused all the many other sightings by Gulf Breeze residents to be forgotten. Watts had established the precedent years earlier. There were UFO sightings in the Wellington area before Carroll Wayne Watts’ story, and at least one credible report afterwards. None of the other sightings had independent case files, and after Watts’ story went down in flames, so did all the sincere reports by other witnesses.</span></p><span style="font-size: medium;"><div style="text-align: center;"><b> . . .</b></div></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 19.26px;">Acknowledgement</span></b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 19.26px;">s<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;">My local paper carried the Carroll Wayne Watts story as front-page news in Feb. 1968, but if I saw it at the time, the memory is long gone. Coming across accounts of it in 2012, I became interested and began collecting newspaper articles and references to it in UFO literature, and I have periodically returned to the search over the years. A big thanks goes out to the following people and organizations who were key sources in finding documentation on the story.</span></p><span style="font-size: medium;">John DeBaun, who along with Carroll Wilson first reported on the Watts abduction story in 1968. John provided clippings of the original newspaper articles and his memories of interviewing Watts.<br /><br /><a href="https://isaackoidata.blogspot.com/2021/10/introduction-ufo-databases-data.html" target="_blank">Isaac Koi</a>, <a href="http://robert-barrow.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Robert Barrow</a>, and <a href="https://www.pinterest.com/louistayloratwork/_created/" target="_blank">Louis Taylor</a> for sharing scans of UFO documents, periodicals, and literature over the years on this and other cases.<br /><br />The <a href="http://www.afu.se/afu2/" target="_blank">Archives for the Unexplained</a> (AFU), thanks Clas Svahn and his associates for additional newspaper clippings.<br /><br />David Houchin, curator of the <a href="https://www.clarksburglibrary.info/barker-collection" target="_blank">Gray Barker UFO Collection</a> at the Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library in West Virginia.<br /><br />The files of Dr. J. Allen Hynek, from:<br />The <a href="http://www.cufos.org/" target="_blank">Center for UFO Studies</a> (CUFOS), with help from Barry Greenwood and David Marler.<br />The <a href="https://findingaids.library.northwestern.edu/repositories/6/resources/373" target="_blank">J. Allen Hynek Papers at Northwestern University</a>.<br /><br />The <a href="https://www.utm.edu/departments/special_collections/manus/ms001des.php#20" target="_blank">Holland McCombs Papers</a> at the University of Tennessee at Martin’s Paul Meek Library.<br /><br />Claude Falkstrom, for providing archived newspaper articles on this and scores of other historical UFO cases.<br /><br />Thanks also to those who provided biographical information and papers from Dord Fitz:<br /><a href="https://www.wtamu.edu/academics/college-fine-arts-humanities/department-art-theatre-dance/faculty/amy-von-lintel-bio.html" target="_blank">Amy Von Lintel</a>, Professor of Art History at West Texas A&M University. <br />The <a href="https://ou-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?docid=NORMANLAW_ALMA21559231570002042&vid=OUNEW&context=L" target="_blank">Dord Fitz Papers</a> at the Western History Collections, University of Oklahoma Libraries, Norman, Oklahoma.<br /><br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><b>The Carroll Wayne Watts Files</b></div><br />See these two collections of files:<br /><br /><a href="https://app.box.com/s/bimg1y1cez3lecsc9qbii11a40l7zzya" target="_blank">File One</a>: Newspaper Articles, including an account of Watts’ first encounter in his own words, and coverage of the hoax being confessed – and the retraction of the same.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhu8Dl2tfv6R9yRhij4zuIsibDrqnuFeWWRazizZ5uJnaHgrg3RdCii4LPT3Uc2YU4W7u7Gc3DS9Vq7obMqd3a3AUtl5YY1yk18Kix9wfv437ZVj7_fuNIOWqwzG05oP-tRqPVOGeOrm3c/s530/Watts+File.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="295" data-original-width="530" height="273" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhu8Dl2tfv6R9yRhij4zuIsibDrqnuFeWWRazizZ5uJnaHgrg3RdCii4LPT3Uc2YU4W7u7Gc3DS9Vq7obMqd3a3AUtl5YY1yk18Kix9wfv437ZVj7_fuNIOWqwzG05oP-tRqPVOGeOrm3c/w490-h273/Watts+File.jpg" width="490" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://app.box.com/s/w4wltnzajuywlsqzqzb92ccqztexuhi7" target="_blank">File Two</a>: Project Blue Book reports of Watts’ first three sightings - these are copies from Dr. J. Allen Hynek files and include his underling and annotations. Also included is Watts’ letter of reply to Hynek, and his completed Project Blue Book UFO sighting form.</span></div></div>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-32316743125592382662021-05-22T06:16:00.015-05:002021-06-09T15:53:01.138-05:00The Pentagon's Updated Statement: AATIP Studied UAPs<div class="post-body entry-content" id="post-body-6917498380566093144" itemprop="description articleBody" style="background-color: white; line-height: 1.4; position: relative; width: 630px;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; font-size: 15.4px; text-align: center;">Mobile users, use this link for best viewing:</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman, Times, FreeSerif, serif;"><span style="font-size: 15.4px;"><b><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/p/p-test.html">The Pentagon's Updated Statement: AATIP Studied UAPs</a></b></span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; font-size: 15.4px; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhS1-ESQjTKlzKo3XyihIt_ZGVDQTNIH_evuc05iKH_NLAHkUMH_2i8HWpnAaZ-TrpBZKiOyUn_2caI_ve6N_W21farLtQ3mBzndaZbwjjYkOfus6Pg_hNWnY-3TTpDj1chlMpdtRPw0LkW/s825/AATIP+Statement.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhS1-ESQjTKlzKo3XyihIt_ZGVDQTNIH_evuc05iKH_NLAHkUMH_2i8HWpnAaZ-TrpBZKiOyUn_2caI_ve6N_W21farLtQ3mBzndaZbwjjYkOfus6Pg_hNWnY-3TTpDj1chlMpdtRPw0LkW/w640-h334/AATIP+Statement.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; font-size: 15.4px; text-align: left;"><b style="font-size: 15.4px;">By </b><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/p/roger-glassel-is-researcher-and-writer.html" style="color: #440b94; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16px; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank"><b>Roger Glassel</b></a><span style="font-size: 15.4px;"> </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; font-size: 15.4px; text-align: left;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 105%; margin-bottom: 8pt;">Ever since the Advanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program (AATIP) story broke in 2017 there have been
contradictory statements coming from the Pentagon about the AATIP. First the
Pentagon admitted that the program did study Unidentified Aerial phenomena
(UAP), but that statement was later withdrawn and up till now the Pentagon’s
position has been that AATIP did not study such things. This position has now
changed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 105%; margin-bottom: 8pt;"><span lang="EN-GB">In a recent statement given to me by
the Pentagon they now confirm that AATIP did study Unidentified Aerial
Phenomena, but it was not its primary purpose. The purpose of AATIP has earlier
been outlined by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) who explained that:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 105%; margin-bottom: 8pt;"><i><span lang="EN-GB"> “</span>The
purpose of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) was to
investigate foreign advanced aerospace weapons system applications with future
technology projections over the next 40 years and to create a center of
expertise on advanced aerospace technologies.” </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 105%; margin-bottom: 8pt;">The DIA also added that its goal “was to help
understand the threat posed by unconventional or leap ahead aerospace
vehicles/technologies that could have national security implications for the
United States.” <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 105%; margin-bottom: 8pt;">Going back to February 2020 spokesperson Susan
Gough announced that she was working on “an update to previous statements about
AATIP.” Time went by and after the announcement of the creation of the UAP Task
Force she again told me that she had an update coming out within a week, but
that updated statement never came. I recently again asked for the update on
AATIP, and this time she sent me the update. AATIP has been depicted as either being
a UAP study or an advanced aerospace study. In the updated statement a new
picture of AATIP is presented that shows it was both. Susan Gough explains that:<o:p></o:p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMxI_0SKrsFvpow_Zwx3nHqDlrZSSslsfT7qz523exoy8yRCRZvT9Px1m7UF9hAmYFIpcY_QfABcsxcW49i6D3T5J-9INdJO0JM3gm_EAF7m2FbDNqTAVVrTe9gMdPKtO1z0MPnZMwMuZ8/s801/Gough+UAP+2021.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="195" data-original-width="801" height="157" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMxI_0SKrsFvpow_Zwx3nHqDlrZSSslsfT7qz523exoy8yRCRZvT9Px1m7UF9hAmYFIpcY_QfABcsxcW49i6D3T5J-9INdJO0JM3gm_EAF7m2FbDNqTAVVrTe9gMdPKtO1z0MPnZMwMuZ8/w640-h157/Gough+UAP+2021.png" width="640" /></a></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 105%; margin-bottom: 8pt;"><i style="font-size: 15.4px;">"In developing the reports and exploring how to
create a ‘center of expertise,’ the contract allowed for research drawn from a
wide variety of sources, including reports of UAPs. However, the
examination of UAP observations was not the purpose of AATIP.”</i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 105%; margin-bottom: 8pt;"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 105%; margin-bottom: 8pt;">This new depiction of AATIP still differs from how
Mr. Luis Elizondo is describing the program. Pentagon has said that the “AATIP
was the name of the overall program” and that all work was done under a single
contract, and that the “contract was known as the Advanced Aerospace Weapons
System Applications Program (AAWSAP).” Mr. Elizondo, in an interview with
George Knapp, differs the two programs saying that “AATIP grew out AAWSAP”, and
become its own thing “run primarily through government people,” thus not bound
to the contract and handled more as an effort within the DOD - not that
different from how the UAPTF is handled today. Mr. Elizondo states that AATIP
“morphed into what we now know, as the UAP Task Force.” But according to the
Pentagon “The UAPTF is not a continuation of AATIP.” The Pentagon explains
that “Department of the Navy had been leading assessments of UAP incursions
into DOD training ranges and designated airspace since approximately 2018,” and
that, “Beginning in 2019, DOD undertook efforts to formalize the good work done
by the Navy for DOD.” So according to them it was an informal effort started in
2018 that morphed into UAPTF. Susan has also stated that “Prior to then, each
military department handled their own examinations of UAP
incursions/sightings.” <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 105%; margin-bottom: 8pt;">So even though Pentagon says some element
within AATIP did look into reports of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, there are
still many sides of this story that is not clear. But maybe it is just two
sides of the same story. Two different perspectives.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 105%; margin-bottom: 8pt;"><b><i>Following is the full updated statement from
the Pentagon issued</i> </b><i><b>May,
21, 2021 , which in part also includes previous statements communicated by the
DIA</b>.<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program
(AATIP)<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;">The purpose of the Advanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program (AATIP) was to investigate foreign advanced aerospace
weapon system applications, with future technology projections over the next 40
years, and to create a center of expertise for advanced aerospace technologies.
The goal was to help understand the threat posed by unconventional or
leap-ahead aerospace vehicles and technologies that could have national
security implications for the United States.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;">The program commenced in Fiscal Year (FY) 2008 with
$10 million appropriated in the Defense Supplemental Appropriation Act. DIA
awarded a contract to a sole bidder, Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies,
LLC. The contract was known as the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System
Applications Program (AAWSAP).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;">The contract goal was to study 12 technical areas:
lift, propulsion, control, armament, signatures reduction, materials,
configuration, power generation, temporal translation, human effects, human
interface, and technology integration. The contractor identified and
worked with academics and scientists to produce technical reports. In
developing the reports and exploring how to create a “center of expertise,” the
contract allowed for research drawn from a wide variety of sources, including
reports of UAPs. However, the examination of UAP observations was not the
purpose of AATIP.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;">The first 26 reports were completed by late 2009. The
Defense Appropriations Act for FY 2010 included an additional $12 million for
the program, and 12 additional reports were produced. A total of 38 technical
reports were delivered. The list is below. All of the reports are
either classified or marked For Official Use Only. Only a few have been
released to the public.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;">After a review in late 2009, it was determined that
the reports were of limited value to DIA. The department terminated AATIP
when funding for the program ended in 2012.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u style="font-size: 15.4px;"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Reports produced under AATIP</span></u><span face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;">:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;">1. </span><i style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Inertial Electrostatic Confinement Fusion</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">2. <i>Advanced Nuclear Propulsion for Manned
Deep Space Missions</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">3. <i>Pulsed High-Power Microwave Technology</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">4. <i>Space Access</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">5. <i>Advanced Space Propulsion Based on Vacuum
(Spacetime Metric) Engineering</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">6. <i>BioSensors and BioMEMS</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">7. <i>Invisibility Cloaking</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">8. <i>Traversable Wormholes, Stargates, and
Negative Energy</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">9. <i>High-Frequency Gravitational Wave
Communications</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">10. <i>Role of Superconducters in Gravity
Research</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">11. <i>Antigravity for Aerospace Applications</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">12. <i>Field Effects on Biological Tissues</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">13. <i>Positron Aerospace Propulsion</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">14. <i>Concepts for Extracting Energy from the
Quantum Vacuum</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">15. <i>An Introduction to the Statistical Drake
Equation</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">16. <i>Maverick Inventor Versus Corporate
Inventor</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">17. <i>Biomaterials</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">18. <i>Metamaterials for Aerospace Applications</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">19. <i>Warp Drive, Dark Energy, and the
Manipulation of Extra Dimensions</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">20. <i>Technological Approaches to Controlling
External Devices in the Absence of Limb-Operated Interfaces</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">21. <i>Materials for Advanced Aerospace
Platforms</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">22. <i>Metallic Glasses</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">23. <i>Aerospace Applications of Programmable
Matter</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">24. <i>Metallic Spintronics</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">25. <i>Space-Communication Implications of
Quantum Entanglement and Nonlocality</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">26. <i>Aneutronic Fusion Propulsion I</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">27. <i>Cockpits in the Era of Breakthrough
Flight</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">28. <i>Cognitive Limits on Simultaneous Control
of Multiple Unmanned Spacecraft</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">29. <i>Detection and High Resolution Tracking of
Vehicles at Hypersonic Velocities</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" lang="SV" style="font-size: 11pt;">30.
<i>Aneutronic Fusion Propulsion II</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" lang="SV" style="font-size: 11pt;">31.
<i>Laser Lightcraft Nanosatellites</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">32. <i>Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) Air Breathing
Propulsion and Power for Aerospace Applications</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">33. <i>Quantum Computing and Utilizing Organic
Molecules in Automation Technology</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">34. <i>Quantum Topography of Negative Energy
States in the Vacuum</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">35. <i>Ultracapacitors as Energy and Power
Storage Devices</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">36. <i>Negative Mass Propulsion</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">37. <i>State of the Art and Evolution of High
Energy Laser Weapons</i> [SECRET//NOFORN version]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">38. <i>State of the Art and Evolution of High
Energy Laser Weapons</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">AATIP vs. UAP Task Force (UAPTF)<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Calibri",sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">The UAPTF is not a continuation of AATIP. Since
the majority of reporting about UAP observations in recent years came from
naval aviators, the Department of the Navy had been leading assessments of UAP
incursions into DOD training ranges and designated airspace since approximately
2018. Beginning in 2019, DOD undertook efforts to formalize the good work
done by the Navy for DOD. Former Deputy Secretary Norquist approved the
establishment of the UAPTF on Aug. 4, 2020.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p></p>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-12945562932740598702021-05-17T10:49:00.009-05:002022-04-07T15:18:22.885-05:00Understanding the US Government's UFO Programs<p> <a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcES04VVV0F8yHQ2Yo7vYfWvi2jpDAzjAtFdvCe_9S5YuuOqDambym2mpqPKSFp6ZnMrIlapAUegDHkSZDWTBDxH39bvfJxFVEJpS2JaD7OR00qFMG5jhGaLVGL0AvMky0jiHzwr6Zdjt7/s825/AATIP+UAPTF.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcES04VVV0F8yHQ2Yo7vYfWvi2jpDAzjAtFdvCe_9S5YuuOqDambym2mpqPKSFp6ZnMrIlapAUegDHkSZDWTBDxH39bvfJxFVEJpS2JaD7OR00qFMG5jhGaLVGL0AvMky0jiHzwr6Zdjt7/w640-h334/AATIP+UAPTF.jpg" width="640" /></a></p><div><br /></div>UFOs have been in the news lately. On December 28, 2020, legislation was signed that included the requirement for US defense agencies to submit a report to “the congressional intelligence and armed services committees on unidentified aerial phenomena." Government involvement is often what it takes for the UFO topic to be considered newsworthy. With the UAP report due in June, major media outlets have been trying to catch up on the topic and recent history. However, with the unfamiliarity with the topic, and the constraints of time and space, a lot is left out of the story.
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;">The scientific study of UFOs is a worthwhile pursuit,
but it’s unclear if that’s what the government is interested in. According to
Senator Harry Reid and Luis Elizondo, AATIP began under national security concerns
about unidentified aerial phenomena, but the Pentagon contract indicates it was
a weapons program. Examining the work of the subcontractor suggests it was a
way for Robert Bigelow to get funding to continue his research into paranormal
and UFO topics. <a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/p/roger-glassel-is-researcher-and-writer.html" target="_blank">Roger Glassel</a> has been pursuing the truth behind the news, and with his help we’ve tried to get to the bottom of things. Below is a recap
with links to previous articles from </span><i style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;">Blue Blurry Lines</i><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"> on the Pentagon’s
AAWSAP, AATIP, and the new UAP Task Force.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>The Pentagon UAP Article Collection</b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">The New York Times</span></i><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"> from
Dec. 16, 2017 story and subsequent press identified the Pentagon’s UFO study as
the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), but documents
surfaced showing the original name Advanced Aerospace Weapon System
Applications Program (AAWSAP). Roger Glassel asked the Pentagon’s spokesperson
and was told, “Same program. Just an alternative name for AATIP.”</span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><span style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2018/05/pentagon-confirmation-aatip-advanced.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="640" data-original-width="1735" height="237" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0USNRgNm6hVwkThgq_bUxnyNCzr1li8nGeMKdtj8bzbFZ1pnEr6jubVdT5TsplL2w8Nol_McPjViT13amkxYQHPGKG8sYarjeP8c1ycY3FpdjoCSJyVdoYej5YO8lgDoeJQFoLSB7LbPh/w640-h237/31901753_10156356115963415_1786794304526614528_n.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><h2 style="background: white; margin-top: 0in; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2018/05/pentagon-confirmation-aatip-advanced.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 19.26px;"><span style="color: #1e83ff; text-decoration-line: none; text-underline: none;">Pentagon Confirmation: AATIP = Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program</span></span></a> <span style="font-weight: normal;">May 3, 2018</span></span></h2></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2018/05/pentagon-confirmation-aatip-advanced.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"></span></a></div><p></p><h2 style="background: white; margin-top: 0in;"><span style="background-color: transparent; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: normal;">Since there was no clear history of what AATIP did or
the size of the operation, it caused much speculation and controversy, particularly
after the Pentagon spokesperson issued the statement, “Mr. Elizondo had no
assigned responsibilities for AATIP…”</span></h2><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"></span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><span style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2019/06/documenting-luis-elizondos-leadership.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="265" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhp2FqwXvct00fLqoS6JpNeqsdCdiSOVX6Tt7N3pfNMyIqdrHcVaaiKXvFP01jy28n9s5Rq-_xXsNy02_SMyUvkh6T7kR4-edN404CubIAupzuC6wVQF9JONkMrKW-0SNsXIAVhzZtGGmAW/w508-h265/AATIp+Reid+Letter+header.jpg" width="508" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2019/06/documenting-luis-elizondos-leadership.html" target="_blank"><span><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 19.26px; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="color: #1e83ff; font-weight: bold;">Documenting Luis Elizondo's Leadership of the Pentagon's UFO Program</span><span style="font-weight: bold; mso-spacerun: yes;"><b> <br /></b></span></span></span></a>June 13, 2019</span></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2019/06/documenting-luis-elizondos-leadership.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"></span></a></div><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;">Roger Glassel uncovered a trove of information about the origins of AATIP, about the contract between the Pentagon and Robert Bigelow (BAASS), and secret subcontracts with the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) to produce technical papers and furnish them with case files and access to investigation sites. Documents were reproduced from the MUFON Advanced Technology Establishment (MATE) and the contracts between the group and Bigelow.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><span style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/the-pentagon-ufo-programs-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiVR7my8a-C8G5tIV2NpPBmxQwhGteC9rLLHFzzVPUfldXn1eho-e2g2v5j_px6PHm5UUyTAcuAh9OrOvoVfq9f8H_wuX_HdEIMmEEeJOxOSgJ7MxZT5OL2yA6ApqRO41QmEMpqlV1hLorT/w640-h334/BAASS-MUFON+Saga.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/the-pentagon-ufo-programs-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="background-color: white; color: #021eaa; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; font-size: large; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;"><b>The Pentagon UFO Program’s Secret Partner</b></span></a><span style="color: #440b94; font-family: Times New Roman, Times, FreeSerif, serif; font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: white;"> </span></span>March 17, 2020</td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><br /></p><div>In the second part of the article, participants of the secret MUFON contracts spoke about their involvement and the fact that most of them were unaware that Bigelow’s sponsor was secretly the US government.</div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><span style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/breaking-silence-aatips-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhcgUpCgzm85M6fzbeGUD4_77C0hs6eVVaM5ThREEpTzMALcq1mRDx2seUtjvAuUN0F7ezkso4Enz3TVqwhmgxFR_8eghEI_GGwcvpheTV81cyLhVeDpAPWtdWHa1RQQJbscG9n4LrNQjsJ/w640-h334/Conspiracy+Theory.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><h2 style="background: white; margin-top: 0in;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 19.26px;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/breaking-silence-aatips-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #1e83ff; text-decoration-line: none; text-underline: none;">Breaking the Silence: AATIP's Secret Partner Speaks</span></a> <span style="font-weight: normal;">March 23, 2020</span></span></h2></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div><div><span style="font-family: times;"><div>Continuing the examination, we probed the $22 million government funding for Robert Bigelow’s company under the AAWSAP contract. We attempted to trace where the money was spent.</div></span></div><div><span style="font-family: times;"><br /></span><div><span style="font-weight: normal;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><span style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/04/the-pentagon-ufo-money-trail.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiassQyo9dvGNmWWHeNdVzXFxVigzOVaqD2IgFQ-MFiVznVihSFNYX7r9q3lCVmrsWXTaghxMMKVWSKI3wzGLkOX2JS7Vjd1OIr1OjChMR4OTd2bZsIlcEnXMaxoJ0ZKzKosmjDSG3RpzHj/w640-h334/Pentagon+UFO+Money.png" width="640" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><h2 style="background: white; margin-top: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 19.26px;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/04/the-pentagon-ufo-money-trail.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #1e83ff; text-decoration-line: none; text-underline: none;">The Pentagon UFO Money Trail</span></a> <span style="font-weight: normal;">April 23, 2020</span></span></span></h2></td></tr></tbody></table><br /></span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;">In Roger Glassel’s correspondence with the Pentagon it
was disclosed that while AATIP was defunct, there was a new UFO investigation, “an
interagency team charged with gathering data and conducting investigations into
range incursions… the Navy is leading much of the effort.”</span></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><span style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/05/pentagon-answers-on-navy-uap.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEilIMop4_OdxJCTYiuvlpeJpqtV91sOpKbdtl7zZyumld5D_qzOZ8hrRCTKIiL1cmQty4WwiJZXJnS6ZioELrytd7koSa2THB28xZKb55i98kKZXytfbsgTWj_tAYGeo9rviar4UgOAiKX2/w640-h334/Navy+UAP+Investigations.png" width="640" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/05/pentagon-answers-on-navy-uap.html" target="_blank"><span style="background-color: white; color: #1e83ff; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; text-decoration-line: none; text-underline: none;">Pentagon Answers on Navy UAP Investigations</span></a> May 18, 2020</span></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Further correspondence revealed the name of the interagency
UFO team was the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, or UAPTF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><span style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/09/uap-task-force-pentagon-responds-to.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiE_-lEyoe2r5Pll04iaObUW2h26eWo7KMd1V-H0IdPZXZtlkacGrZvG8w3Mv2BMy1JXt3YA5nLYkvH08-oCXHg9-5kd6I2CTZLwuh53q5etL3J6Gev4ck2dPvRXqZ4AHl4A6H0q2-2pffp/w640-h334/UAP+Task+Force.jpg" width="640" /></a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><h2 style="background: white; margin-top: 0in;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 19.26px;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/09/uap-task-force-pentagon-responds-to.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #1e83ff; text-decoration-line: none; text-underline: none;">UAP Task Force: The Pentagon Responds to Questions</span></a> <span style="font-weight: normal;">September 2, 2020</span></span></span></h2></td></tr></tbody></table><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;"><span>The Pentagon issued a long-awaited statement on AATIP, its origin, goals and function on May, 21, 2021. It consolidate previous statements into a single document and made several updates, admitting that reports of UAPs were included, "However, the examination of UAP observations was not the purpose of AATIP."</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif;"><br /></span><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;"><span><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2021/05/the-pentagons-updated-statement-aatip.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhS1-ESQjTKlzKo3XyihIt_ZGVDQTNIH_evuc05iKH_NLAHkUMH_2i8HWpnAaZ-TrpBZKiOyUn_2caI_ve6N_W21farLtQ3mBzndaZbwjjYkOfus6Pg_hNWnY-3TTpDj1chlMpdtRPw0LkW/w640-h334/AATIP+Statement.jpg" width="640" /></a><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2021/05/the-pentagons-updated-statement-aatip.html" target="_blank">The Pentagon's Updated Statement: AATIP Studied UAPs</a> </span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: "Times New Roman";">May 22, 2021</span></span></div></span></span></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><div style="background-color: white; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, FreeSerif, serif; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0.75em 0px 0px; position: relative; text-align: left;"><h2 style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; font-family: "Times New Roman"; margin-top: 0in; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: transparent; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: normal;">To understand the goals of the UAPTF, it's important to know the above history. The US government's goals may be very different from what its citizens want when it comes to UFO investigations and the sharing on information on the topic. The reporting of the story so far has not been transparent from either government officials or the media. We need more than agenda-driven press releases dressed up as news.</span></h2></div></span></span></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><br /></span></div><br /><p></p></div></div>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-4359318631542295032020-12-11T11:24:00.003-06:002020-12-11T11:24:57.806-06:0040 years and the Cash-Landrum UFO Case<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQvrbYUMHASje4H_8UWdFleC81Uy9THcx_E_uRFt_ydeNqAaWEDP3X0i4dWDOMn6yRmP1pHr-85onu2K2r1cC1X9-Oq8lWrEU6m473jsIbA487ingHsykUUEoV7BZwY0zE8YTYvCjGkcMR/s825/Cash-Landrum+40.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQvrbYUMHASje4H_8UWdFleC81Uy9THcx_E_uRFt_ydeNqAaWEDP3X0i4dWDOMn6yRmP1pHr-85onu2K2r1cC1X9-Oq8lWrEU6m473jsIbA487ingHsykUUEoV7BZwY0zE8YTYvCjGkcMR/w640-h334/Cash-Landrum+40.png" width="640" /></a></div><p></p>The 1980 Texas Piney Woods UFO incident is one of best known, thoroughly documented cases in UFO history. Much of the enduring appeal of this story is due to the investigation of it led by John F. Schuessler, then deputy director of MUFON, but the other reason is the dramatic story itself and the apparent credibility and sincerity of the witnesses. 2020 marks the 40th anniversary of the case, and this provides links to research, articles, and documents on the legendary Cash-Landrum UFO story.<p class="MsoNoSpacing"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjy3FrQ9T86PriqtA_iLv0M7JTl22yMssE8zRvzIb8GMyShuXSunVeNSFu2zexsWxmRjrz3VIqziZ7rHEgdb3pEmGqAqD3uTpfl427-uPvY2Og1RRq3BCoqyoSKzl8oUZzPCV0cavVTfKF0/s708/Screen+Shot+2014-12-10+at+5.55.04+PM.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="351" data-original-width="708" height="199" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjy3FrQ9T86PriqtA_iLv0M7JTl22yMssE8zRvzIb8GMyShuXSunVeNSFu2zexsWxmRjrz3VIqziZ7rHEgdb3pEmGqAqD3uTpfl427-uPvY2Og1RRq3BCoqyoSKzl8oUZzPCV0cavVTfKF0/w400-h199/Screen+Shot+2014-12-10+at+5.55.04+PM.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /> <span>On December 29, 1980,
friends Betty Cash (51), Vickie Landrum (57) and Vickie's grandson Colby (one
month shy of 7) had been out for the evening. Betty was originally from
Alabama, Vickie from Mississippi, and both had been living in Dayton, Texas,
for many years. Betty had owned a truck stop cafe where Vickie was employed as
a waitress. Colby lived with Vickie and she was his legal guardian. Although
Betty had undergone heart surgery in 1977, all three were reported to be in
good health at the time.</span> <p></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span>For anyone unfamiliar with
the case, Vickie’s call to report the UFO incident is a good place to start.</span> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span><iframe allowfullscreen="" class="BLOG_video_class" height="355" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4jMnhz5Ivdc" width="427" youtube-src-id="4jMnhz5Ivdc"></iframe></span></div><span><div style="text-align: center;"><span>Transcript at: </span><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/11/vickie-landrums-phone-call-to-report.html" target="_blank"><b>Vickie Landrum's Phone Call to Report a UFO Encounter</b></a></div></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Vickie and Betty eventually
connected with UFO researchers and the media, but they got no real help or answers. In
late July 1981, Senator Lloyd Bentsen replied by letter to Betty, advising her
to contact Bergstrom Air Force Base (near Austin, TX) to make an official
report and file a damage claim form. The three witnesses gave statements to AF
officials during a lengthy interview. It was recorded and later transcribed,
and it provides us with the closest thing we have to the witnesses giving their
story in court.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><b><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/07/from-their-own-lips-betty-cash-colby.html" target="_blank">From their own lips: Betty, Colby & Vickie tell their story</a></b></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span>While they were in Austin,
Vickie visited the office of state representative - Larry Browder, which led to
an investigation of the UFO sighting in the fall of 1981 by the </span><a name="_Hlk58509049">Texas Department of Health</a><span>’s Bureau of Radiation
Control. It was the first official investigation of the case, and the results
were ignored by UFO investigators since they were unfavorable.</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7Ea2O4Q_BOotc0M45OUj1tL7zN9Kaw_WjIJ6LFdokKtvPiao1rEp0Sg7vtXkHxePK3BJR6v_QEbnVPBv_xDmTjIxQGIO6ohkq8W6aalcTosT4BvK98rXW2Xpa61CraMIDtzNKcYQj1BkG/s835/TDH+Case+Files.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="835" height="206" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7Ea2O4Q_BOotc0M45OUj1tL7zN9Kaw_WjIJ6LFdokKtvPiao1rEp0Sg7vtXkHxePK3BJR6v_QEbnVPBv_xDmTjIxQGIO6ohkq8W6aalcTosT4BvK98rXW2Xpa61CraMIDtzNKcYQj1BkG/w400-h206/TDH+Case+Files.png" width="400" /></a></div><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/11/the-cash-landrum-incident-suppressed.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #440b94; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><b>The Cash-Landrum Incident: The Suppressed Case Files</b></span></a></div><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><br /></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;">Myths, Mistakes, Rumors, and
Legends</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;">In the absence of many solid facts, rumors
and speculation flourished, and some of the stories took a life of their own. Here’s
articles on some of the myths and misinformation, and how they were disproven.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li><span>The allegations that a
stretch of road on FM 1485 was burned and secretly removed:</span></li></ul><p></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiObZN5FlxuQfssKX1J_sI_rrubEy8m3iWAXmzrghn2r8KoTP3atJBYsfOuGgPdbf5lYg-LdPZJ0mFyvGi1W4qblDb7xVkkXSq6TUNO9jLK0NUG-hfF2Ki5QfpcZINH5HE4Lq65Z0-SroVS/s1752/pastedGraphic.tiff" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1266" data-original-width="1752" height="289" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiObZN5FlxuQfssKX1J_sI_rrubEy8m3iWAXmzrghn2r8KoTP3atJBYsfOuGgPdbf5lYg-LdPZJ0mFyvGi1W4qblDb7xVkkXSq6TUNO9jLK0NUG-hfF2Ki5QfpcZINH5HE4Lq65Z0-SroVS/w400-h289/pastedGraphic.tiff" width="400" /></a></div><p></p><h3 style="background: white; margin-top: 9pt; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/11/cash-landrum-ufo-case-legend-of.html"><span style="color: #440b94; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif;">Cash-Landrum UFO
Case: The Legend of the Scorched Road</span></a><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li><o:p> </o:p><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Locating a CH-47 Pilot from the UFO
mission:</span></li></ul><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: #440b94; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;"></span></p><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVnB0db1SVP6kmKt8rc0Mudhtwsm1aY9cpyeX1a8vZiKmtp4qWNc42b-88h4bIZ6LIVsa4gxHde49uns1WdG5FSv5gP0xA-SQdYIh4eCsetj_6d5XHe0VK7Ou5VZyMzTV6crfAYO3M32Az/s800/CLCH47.jpg" imageanchor="1"><img border="0" data-original-height="558" data-original-width="800" height="279" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVnB0db1SVP6kmKt8rc0Mudhtwsm1aY9cpyeX1a8vZiKmtp4qWNc42b-88h4bIZ6LIVsa4gxHde49uns1WdG5FSv5gP0xA-SQdYIh4eCsetj_6d5XHe0VK7Ou5VZyMzTV6crfAYO3M32Az/w400-h279/CLCH47.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><b style="color: #440b94; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><div style="text-align: center;"><b><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/05/exonerating-helicopter-pilot.html" target="_blank">Exonerating the Helicopter Pilot</a></b></div></b>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;"><o:p> </o:p></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">The Helicopter SNAFU:</span></li></ul><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKlAFIx2UfV4Z7Jxy7_lkvAHswd9jcBuoQb_JwtenwUOnz3BHu6y5J0y49PZXv8Vt7T2Ym3ywPULQyrxtgTHokZQYyz9sGpxufrpxPYYMec3EwD79lGEFVWPjqDwFD-FAoMGncK0Qr3uMI/s320/100+Helicopters.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="104" data-original-width="320" height="130" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKlAFIx2UfV4Z7Jxy7_lkvAHswd9jcBuoQb_JwtenwUOnz3BHu6y5J0y49PZXv8Vt7T2Ym3ywPULQyrxtgTHokZQYyz9sGpxufrpxPYYMec3EwD79lGEFVWPjqDwFD-FAoMGncK0Qr3uMI/w400-h130/100+Helicopters.jpg" width="400" /></a></span></div><p></p><h3 style="background: white; margin-top: 9pt; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: #440b94; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/11/cover-up-100-helicopters-robert-grey.html" target="_blank">Cover-Up: 100 helicopters- Robert Grey airfield, came in, for effect</a></span></span></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;">The witnesses’ testimony was overwritten
by UFO investigators:</span></li></ul><p></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVNfgYSepMGTFXqpPmpwESKs7ivzBbXnboLemmfGSjyB3rBKlVF2V810PtUjcTh2rzzmSK3GBsWKfr4DPJA95cR5cCDIwCA6y1h5Ni4HIE1ZC35Y781k3R1zbWjxTk4kc8sBs85Vnf22So/s830/Lambright+Header.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="830" height="208" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVNfgYSepMGTFXqpPmpwESKs7ivzBbXnboLemmfGSjyB3rBKlVF2V810PtUjcTh2rzzmSK3GBsWKfr4DPJA95cR5cCDIwCA6y1h5Ni4HIE1ZC35Y781k3R1zbWjxTk4kc8sBs85Vnf22So/w400-h208/Lambright+Header.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><p></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="text-align: center;"><span><b><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/04/the-cash-landrum-ufo-true-picture.html" target="_blank">The Cash-Landrum UFO: The True Picture</a></b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing">Despite all the exaggerations and distortions, most people familiar with the case think that there's still something genuine at the story's core. </p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><br /></p><p class="MsoNoSpacing"><b>Where the Case Stands Today</b></p>
The rumors, myths, and mistakes are piled high, and the problems with the case seem insurmountable. While the UFO investigation was flawed, it does not necessarily reflect on the credibility of the witnesses. Whatever happened, the story transmuted into legend long ago. All that has surfaced in the 40 years since amounts to stories. Even so, the case remains an enduring mystery, and there are lessons to be learned from studying it.
<p class="MsoNoSpacing">Since 2012, <i>Blue Blurry
Lines</i> has been gathering documentation on the Cash-Landrum case, and in
2017, published files previously unseen from the original investigation. Readers can see for
themselves the differences between the information that was gathered, and the
story that was spun around it.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhfk1z02DWoC-vPhYGqXqfciqc7r_MAGKsExLd0C6La-T_u3YTxXoAFgPA6XyFdcnyXbIIvbhQ0QQWUa_sxucMDhttyCK-zyJTlzcvHED_h2ixBaqaVBCUOmUPld-pMp211t71fM3swiIX6/s680/Rj0GRqxVXtRQ.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="382" data-original-width="680" height="225" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhfk1z02DWoC-vPhYGqXqfciqc7r_MAGKsExLd0C6La-T_u3YTxXoAFgPA6XyFdcnyXbIIvbhQ0QQWUa_sxucMDhttyCK-zyJTlzcvHED_h2ixBaqaVBCUOmUPld-pMp211t71fM3swiIX6/w400-h225/Rj0GRqxVXtRQ.jpg" width="400" /></a></span></div><p></p><h3 style="background: white; margin-top: 9pt; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2018/02/the-original-cash-landrum-case-file.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #440b94; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif;">The Original
Cash-Landrum Case File, 3/4/81: Transcript & Analysis</span></a><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif;">There's much more to the case than the original report, however. For the </span><i style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">complete</i><span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif;"> set of documents on the events, investigation
and aftermath, see:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-uQTJqAisMWi5x1L_Sq5lX-6INwTMObfJ6U57IJvnhef-iUk5k8uzdqk8ocI1JlLuhuP867Z1rBDlU2sz1XiavhpSqjC8On-I2N4YJ0o_FZlnPutHymGE6foP0uYJUqZSIF8MnFrF7Sgx/s509/CLFile1.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="334" data-original-width="509" height="263" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-uQTJqAisMWi5x1L_Sq5lX-6INwTMObfJ6U57IJvnhef-iUk5k8uzdqk8ocI1JlLuhuP867Z1rBDlU2sz1XiavhpSqjC8On-I2N4YJ0o_FZlnPutHymGE6foP0uYJUqZSIF8MnFrF7Sgx/w400-h263/CLFile1.png" width="400" /></a></div><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; line-height: 107%;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/07/resource-guide-for-cash-landrum-ufo-case.html" target="_blank"><b>The Cash-Landrum UFO Case Document Collection</b></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p><br /><p></p>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-60897605709270752052020-11-06T11:50:00.006-06:002022-02-18T16:32:58.730-06:00Flying Saucer Swindlers: Four Convictions<p> <a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFjIzlMJJIYNLSXzXwrw6WcCs0OKWJX83Z2NY5ID-2_7_pOaswQdoYxLwM94g1V8K62AOGeTQ5C_qgxJPhQhLSDykw0UHZwUz0qEeYaQYCWknu06ZgH01JqXTwxYt3Vyn0tIEfWtt2a5mo/s825/Saucer+Swindlers.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFjIzlMJJIYNLSXzXwrw6WcCs0OKWJX83Z2NY5ID-2_7_pOaswQdoYxLwM94g1V8K62AOGeTQ5C_qgxJPhQhLSDykw0UHZwUz0qEeYaQYCWknu06ZgH01JqXTwxYt3Vyn0tIEfWtt2a5mo/w640-h334/Saucer+Swindlers.png" width="640" /></a></p><br /><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Hoaxing UFOs is not a
crime. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="background-color: white; color: #1d2129; font-family: times, "times new roman", serif; font-size: medium; letter-spacing: -0.12px;"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="color: black; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: -webkit-center;">Bob Considine, from "The Disgraceful Flying Saucer Hoax!", </span></span></span><span style="font-family: times, "times new roman", serif; font-size: medium; text-align: -webkit-center;"><i>Cosmopolitan</i> magazine, January, 1951:</span></span></p><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="background-color: white; color: #1d2129; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium; letter-spacing: -0.12px;"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="background-color: transparent; text-indent: 40px;">"However plain the hoax, the Air Force often feels that it must take samples of the 'wreckage' for study in its Wright Field laboratories... </span><span style="color: black; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 40px;">And nothing can be done about such frauds. A man who pilfers a three-cent stamp from the Post Office Department can be fined and sent to a Federal prison. One who turns in a false alarm that routs out the local fire department on a Halloween night can also be jailed, as can a man who writes a check for a dollar when he has no bank funds to cover it. Yet the most callous and cynical saucerhoaxers will continue to go scot free, with a cackle of delight, until a penal act is created to check such offenses."</span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: medium;">Unless the act involves something like public endangerment or filing a
false police report, it’s not a matter for the law. There have been some
notable exceptions, and they all involved money.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><b>The Saucers That Time Forgot</b></a></span></i><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> is a
project by Curt Collins and Claude Falkstorm that looks at little-known aspects
of UFO history. The specific focus is on events from the first twenty years of
the era that shaped our knowledge, beliefs, and myths about aerial phenomena
and extraterrestrial life. </span><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">The </span><i style="font-family: Times, serif;">STTF</i><span style="font-family: Times, serif;"> series,
“Flying Saucer Swindlers,” examines the incredibly rare instances where UFO-related hoaxes
or fraud resulted in arrest and convictions. Here are links to the four major
cases:</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2018/10/scientist-predicts-et-contact-fbi.html" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="842" height="326" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjMfX6VPn6O1v6kMQFvVPPoXCkBwU8YmVyljKQ0n6dHBmENbXGj_88lS29JOYeBN6_dYiwZda3bJk5h1CFriVpIuj8pYPrMaR6kCNA3jLClwJlHHv_b7K1anO7B00pYAIBIQWYARk_t6pKG/w640-h326/Flying+Saucer+Swindlers.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><h2 style="text-align: center;"><b style="font-family: Times, serif;"><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2018/10/scientist-predicts-et-contact-fbi.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: large;">Silas Newton and the UFO Crash</span></a></b></h2><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2020/04/harold-j-berney-fbis-flying-saucer.html" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYMWEEw1Gv-Q1fUGHu-8raDc359GszcJy2wzZI8B4cQPi9JisT8WmN6Lhxp4Crl1rPpw7pgcN1dpuQ7un0eCCJR8R-fksOaolmrL_9PcyD-6_V2vTxEr_G7DqnztRzBrq9HlWj39hCWJDO/w640-h334/Harold+J+Berney+Header+2020.png" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><h2 style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: large;"><b><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2020/04/harold-j-berney-fbis-flying-saucer.html" target="_blank">Harold J. Berney: The FBI's Flying Saucer Fugitive</a></b></span></span></h2><div><span style="font-family: Times, serif; line-height: 17.12px;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></div></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-trial-of-ufo-gold-digger.html" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNe3Yahkpsqlj8mhiqWM-3613Nv6MI59xjz5C274P_7H4P6L7CVyO-OG9-tm5JQfy0r8FqXAHhlIahhOYDTUkQuXjsoKxsKc7QzyfER0DW7CB-4cHY1G8TNJow6ho5wR3vnrQTE390q1jk/w640-h334/Reinholt+Schmidt+Trial.png" width="640" /></a></div><h2 style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><b style="font-family: Times, serif; text-align: left;"><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-trial-of-ufo-gold-digger.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: large;">Reinhold O. Schmidt: The Trial of a UFO Gold Digger</span></a></b></h2><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-life-and-legend-of-otis-t-carr-part_46.html" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="1067" data-original-width="2048" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi-a3LME9DC63ItkD600wB-H4cikrLBjHegB8OkVk7uUIlv4D0HdXCqCn9nowBPRbQ3RT2zIDUCxEpapoq715NfsQ_z0B5j6sHuTUt5m_1R_5q_aD3Edu5SxqZmqODigDCeCvan_lpt1K77/w640-h334/OTC+Curt.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><h2 style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://thesaucersthattimeforgot.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-life-and-legend-of-otis-t-carr-part_46.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: large;">The Life and Legend of Otis T. Carr</span></a></h2><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;">There's a rich history to the UFO subject, and like the rest of the human experience, it's rife with frauds and counterfeits. Studying the past can prepare us to avoid the old pitfalls. In this way, we can make progress, entirely new mistakes. </span></p><br /><p></p>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-45955957142063207042020-09-02T12:56:00.000-05:002020-09-02T12:56:31.867-05:00UAP Task Force: The Pentagon Responds to Questions<div style="text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjl5kB1HqfYF8vTsdVF9PX13EIbrh7ZxLtjd00j3BD8Q0knW1prUCftw90HVEnxrBCPBpT-pRmn2kha4KEGQow5oSBDFJb9lpQe4xom2q1lGKU3VyP0_v10dxp1KrlTv_LV5Ji7XsfC6yw9/s825/UAP+Task+Force.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="825" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjl5kB1HqfYF8vTsdVF9PX13EIbrh7ZxLtjd00j3BD8Q0knW1prUCftw90HVEnxrBCPBpT-pRmn2kha4KEGQow5oSBDFJb9lpQe4xom2q1lGKU3VyP0_v10dxp1KrlTv_LV5Ji7XsfC6yw9/s640/UAP+Task+Force.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><b><br /></b></div><div style="text-align: center;"><b>UAPTF: Pentagon Responds to Questions </b></div><div><div style="text-align: center;">by Roger Glassel of <i>UFO-Aktuellt</i></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">In
a previous email sent to me back in <a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/05/pentagon-answers-on-navy-uap.html" target="_blank">May, 2020</a>, the Pentagon stated that there
was already a interagency team/task force under the cognizance of the OUSD(I)
that was analyzing sighting reports, and as most of the reports were from Navy
pilots, the Navy did much of the effort. In Pentagon's recent press release it
is stated that the UAPTF, established on August 4, 2020, under the oversight of
the OUSD(I) and lead by the Navy. This contributed to some confusion, and I
contacted Susan Gough and Joseph Gradisher to comment on the contradiction.
Here are their answers.</span><b><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif;">September</span></span><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> 2, 2020</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">Re: Questions about UAPTF -
Roger Glassel</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="color: #0b5394;">Hi, Roger, sorry for the delay. Here are
our responses to your questions, including your latest.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>1)</b> What is the difference between the
newly established UAP Task Force and the previous running task force
investigating Unidentified Aerial Phenomena?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b><span style="color: #0b5394;">Since the majority of recent reporting
about UAP observations have come from naval aviators, since approximately 2018,
the Department of the Navy has been leading assessments of UAP incursion into
DOD training ranges and designated airspace. Over the last year, DOD
undertook efforts to formalize the good work done by the Navy for DOD.
This effort was an informal task force that I referenced to you earlier.
Deputy Secretary Norquist approved the formal establishment of the UAPTF on
Aug. 4, 2020.</span></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>2) </b>Why did the OSD/OUSD decide to
establish a new UAP Task Force superseding the previous task force
investigating Unidentified Aerial Phenomena?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b><span style="color: #0b5394;">The task force was established to meet
congressional guidance, including the report directed by the Senate Select
Committee on Intelligence. Over the last year, DOD undertook efforts to
formalize the good work done by the Navy for DOD in leading assessments of UAP
incursions into DOD training ranges and designated airspace. Deputy
Secretary Norquist approved the establishment of the UAPTF on Aug. 4, 2020.</span></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>3)</b> As the OUSD(I) was also the cognizant
authority for the previous UAP interagency task force, was this the task force
that former OUSD(I) employee Mr. Luis Elizondo was providing coordination and
professional connections/liaison for?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b><span style="color: #0b5394;">No. Luis Elizondo departed DOD in
2017.</span></b> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>4)</b> What was the name of the previous Task
Force investigating Unidentified Aerial Phenomena?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b><span style="color: #0b5394;">There was no previous formal task force.</span></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>5)</b> Will the newly established UAP Task
Force look into other aspects of the nature and origins of Unidentified Aerial
Phenomena, or will the UAPTF just look at the aspect of UAP being a potential
threat to U.S. national security?</span><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><b><span style="color: #0b5394;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">The Department of Defense established the
UAPTF to improve its understanding of, and gain insight into, the nature and
origins of UAP incursions into our training ranges and designated
airspace. The mission of the task force is to detect, analyze and catalog
UAP incursions that could potentially pose a threat to U.S. national security.</span><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>6)</b> Will the public be informed about any
findings from the UAPTF of the nature and/or origins of Unidentified Aerial
Phenomena?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b><span style="color: #0b5394;">Thorough examinations of any incursion
into our training ranges or designated airspace often involves assessments from
across the department, and, as appropriate, consultation with other U.S.
government departments and agencies. To maintain operations security and to
avoid disclosing information that may be useful to our adversaries, DOD does
not discuss publicly the details of either the observations or the examination
of reported incursions into our training ranges or designated airspace,
including those incursions initially designated as UAP.</span></b></span><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>7)</b> If an observer initially characterize
an observation as unidentified aerial phenomena, that he or she cannot
immediately identify, and the observation cannot later be explained after an
analysis by the UAPTF, or any other component, what will such observation be
categorized as?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="color: #0b5394;"><b>Unidentified</b></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="color: #0b5394;"><br /></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="color: #0b5394;">Regards,</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: white; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #0b5394;"><span style="font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">Sue Gough</span><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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Spokesperson</span></span><span style="font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <br /><br /><br /></div>Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com9tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-41518507815308719142020-06-28T15:36:00.000-05:002020-06-29T08:36:42.859-05:00UFO Documents: Provenance and Credibility by Barry Greenwood<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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as the MJ-12 document endorsed </span></span><span style="font-size: 16px;">as being authentic by </span><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Dr. Hal Puthoff of To The Stars Academy. <a href="https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/12/the-fbi-debunked-the-majestic-12-ufo-documents-in-the-most-childish-way-possible.html" target="_blank">Majestic 12</a>, or MJ-12 is the alleged US government group in charge of covering up the UFO secrets, supported only by counterfeit documents from anonymous sources.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br />Talking to Paul about UFO documents (genuine
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historian, and he is currently engaged in diligent work to archive original literature
and documents for posterity. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">He co-authored</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span><i style="font-size: 12pt;">Clear Intent</i><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">with</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Lawrence Fawcett in 1984, later reprinted as </span><i><span style="font-size: 12pt; letter-spacing: -0.2pt;">The UFO Cover-Up</span></i><span style="font-size: 12pt; letter-spacing: -0.2pt;">. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; letter-spacing: -0.2pt;">In 2007, Barry co-authored a paper with </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Brad Sparks, “<a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2014/05/mj-12-pratt-sensitive-documents-cash.html" target="_blank">The Secret Pratt Tapes and the Origins of MJ-12</a>.” </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">With Paul’s prompting, I emailed Barry and asked him
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="background: white; font-size: 12.0pt;"><i>This recent noise about the SNIE document has
me wondering about the contrast between the fakes and the genuine instances of
leaked documents. …Donald Keyhoe received some leaked material, but it was
contemporary, not the allegedly decades-old stuff that
periodically surfaces.</i> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: 12.0pt;">With regard to Keyhoe,
he received contemporary documents from known sources. Sometimes, sources were
not named but the information was not sensationalized and survived the passage
of time. In <i>Flying Saucers- Top Secret</i>, he talked of "Hidden
Cases" where they were aggravatingly thin on researchable detail. I spent
time over the last three years in the NICAP files looking for these reports but
they are missing. Keyhoe was derelict in not having safety copies of these
reports in a safe place and now they are lost to history. I asked Gordon Lore
about this but he was not in the loop. I guess Keyhoe thought he could live
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">There was always hoaxing
in this subject but the transition of the usual hoaxing to deliberate
falsification of government documents crossed a line in the late 1970s. We
finally had achieved some sort of credibility in what the government knew about
UFOs by gaining access to official inquiry and investigations that revealed
they didn't quite know what it was with what they dealt. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Then a few fakes
appeared followed by one in the military [Richard Doty] who planted fakes in government
files and had those officially released via FOIA, a nefarious act that was
eventually supported by major names in UFO research. This same source
continued to circulate questionable documents as real. But by then every
government paper officially released had a taint of "how do you know that
is real?" A more effective watering down of what we had achieved, I can't
recall and it took little effort.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">So now more
"leaks" <u>about the same topic</u> [MJ-12] still appear over
40 years later and are still embraced as genuine despite this long history of
hoaxing and taint. The persistence is eye-opening and has the appearance of a
cult relentlessly pushing their agendas. What really astonishes me is how
a very simple rule of thumb has been, and is being, ignored. I explained very clearly
in <i>Clear Intent</i> that provenance of documents is vital to the
credibility of the information. We filed FOIAs and kept cover letters to
establish the sources of the information as authentic, already knowing that
fakery was underway and illegitimately competing for the attention of UFO
researchers. The common theme of the fakes was that the sources were mysterious
and it took a leap of faith to accept the contents. A large percentage of
people are gullible, even very gullible, about the sensation of information
on UFOs. If the information promised to satisfy articles of belief, it was
embraced before any investigation as to the </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">authenticity of that
information. I think this contributed to Stan Friedman's rabid promotion of
questioned documents. Not knowing from where information came opens the
door to fiction becoming fact in the minds of ones seeking quick conclusions
about a mysterious topic.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">With regard to the SNIE
paper, Paul may have told you the details but he approached me a while back
with this document. He said it came from a prominent person <i>[affiliation
redacted]</i> who wanted input as to whether or not is was genuine. It took
about ten seconds to see it was another MJ-12 hoax, again unattributed as to
source and likely from the Richard Doty/Tim Cooper school of document fakery.
Cooper has said he had about 4000 pages of “leaks" acquired under very
suspicious circumstances, which could provide a years-long supply of
continuous attention to the MJ-12 conspiracy. Cooper eventually <a href="https://www.theufochronicles.com/2009/04/update-1-operation-bird-droppings.html" target="_blank">admitted all the documents were fake</a>. </span></span></div>
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But what is disturbing is that despite the history of this story churning like an upset stomach, seemingly high profile people involved with the effort to get Congress to investigate UFOs appear to be giving such unattributed ”releases" a stamp of approval. I understand Hal Puthoff declared the SNIE to be genuine along with who knows who else in that group [TTSA]. It is nonsense from a long-term hoax effort but linking this to the new efforts to get the military and Congress to research will do profound damage to these efforts. The UFO subject needs to grow up and pay more attention to what has happened which provides perspective to what is happening.</div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The CUFOS site hosts a nice</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span><a href="http://www.cufos.org/barry_greenwood.html" style="font-size: 12pt;" target="_blank">biography of Barry Greenwood</a><span style="font-size: 12pt;">, and he also maintains his own site,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span><a href="http://www.greenwoodufoarchive.com/" style="font-size: 12pt;" target="_blank">Barry Greenwood UFO Archive</a><span style="font-size: 12pt;">.</span></span></div>
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pursuing the details of the Pentagon's UFO investigation since the AATIP story
broke in 2017. On Sept. 16, 2019, he queried Navy spokesman </span><span style="color: #454545; font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Joseph Gradisher, asking for their </span><span style="background: white; color: #1d2129; font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";">definition of UAP or Unidentified Aerial
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have stated that they are investigating incursions and sightings of
Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), and said that ”reports of unidentified
aerial phenomena by military aviators are investigated by the military
department of the aviator who made the report”. </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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explaining that ”the information obtained in these reports will be catalogued
and analyzed for the purpose of identifying any hazard to our aviators”, and
that ”this process could involve multiple Department of Defense and
Intelligence Community organizations”. This indicates that there is indeed a
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<span style="color: black; font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Statements </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.the-unidentified.net/navy-responds-to-questions-form-roger-glassel-on-unidentified-aerial-phenomenon/"><span style="color: #1155cc; font-family: "Times",serif;">from the Navy</span></a></span><span style="color: black; font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> have also indicated that the UAP investigations is done in
relation to the counter Unmanned Aircraft System (UAS) effort, by saying that
the term UAP is defined as ”any aerial phenomenon that cannot immediately be
identified”, and that incursions/sightings since 2014 ”may be referred to as
either UAS or UAP, depending on the circumstances surrounding the specific
incident in question”. The Navy clarified that ”it’s just when the UAS is <b>NOT</b>
immediately identifiable we refer to it as UAP”. Others, such as Luis Elizondo,
have stated that UAP is something else, and in a report on the Nimitz case at
TTSA's website there are talks about the term Anomalous Aerial Vehicles being
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that the Program involved offices from across the Department of Defense, but
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<span style="color: #454545; font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";">"Dear Susan and Joseph,</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="color: #454545; font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";">In an email from Joseph Gradisher (USN) dated
February 20, 2020, he told me that I should feel free to cc him on Navy
specific issues, as he is working together with you on such issues. Following
are my Navy specific questions, that I like you and the Navy to answer.</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) is there a centralized office, program or
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of Defense for Intelligence (USD(I)), there is an interagency team charged with
gathering data and conducting investigations into range incursions. As the
preponderance of recent/reported sightings are from naval aviators, the Navy is
leading much of the effort. All reports of range incursions are sent to this
team for inclusion in the overall effort, thus maximizing the data available
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identifiable, the Navy/DOD refers to it as UAP (unidentified aerial phenomena).
The generic term UAP is used in communications to avoid pre-judging the results
of any investigation. If we are able to identify the object, we would use the
appropriate term. For example, a quadcopter would be referred to as an
Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) or Unmanned Aerial System (UAS). The U.S. Navy
does not use the term “Anomalous Aerial Vehicles.”</span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Defense (DOD) use the term “anomalous aerial vehicles.” In DOD, the
acronym AAV stands for amphibious assault vehicles. The contractors who
prepared the 38 technical reports under AATIP occasionally used the term
“anomalous aerial vehicles,” but it is not a DOD term.</span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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aerial phenomena (UAP) sightings is ongoing, we will not discuss any aspect of
individual sighting reports / observations, including frequency of sightings</span></b><span style="background: white; color: #1f497d; font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";">.</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Defense take these reports very seriously and investigate each and every report.
Any incursion into our ranges by any aircraft, identified or not identified, is
problematic from both a safety and security concern. Safety of our aircrews is
paramount. Unauthorized and unidentified aircraft pose a risk to flight safety.
Additionally, it is vital we maintain security on our operations. Our aviators
train as they fight. Any intrusions that may compromise the security of our
operations, tactics, or procedures is of great concern.</span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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(AATIP) involved the Navy, which of the 38 DIA reports produced by the AATIP
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technical reports under AATIP consulted with many experts across DoD, including
Navy. As these involve intelligence matters, we’re not to comment on
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Defense take these reports very seriously and investigate each and every
report. Documented reports of sightings by military personnel form the basis
for the investigation process. The investigation of UAP sightings by the
multi-agency task force is ongoing</span></b><span style="background: white; color: #1f497d; font-family: "Times",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";">.</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times, serif;">This response raises further questions, if Luis Elizondo was part of such interagency team as he claims, and if AATIP indeed was a UAP study, as the contractors used the term Anomalous Aerial Vehicles? Further questions have now been sent to the Pentagon.</span></div>
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Curt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-30368065325610228862020-04-30T07:45:00.000-05:002020-04-30T07:45:11.931-05:00The Pentagon-funded Paranormal Research at Skinwalker Ranch<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Due in part to the non-disclosures required of participants, few people involved have been willing to talk, especially on the record, and details and documentation about the true nature of the program have been slow to emerge. In working with Roger Glassel on the AATIP story, we reached out to former participants and heard from some of the MUFON players. This article presents the story of one Robert Bigelow’s employees, one the men hired to protect what was hidden at Skinwalker Ranch. His memories provide new details about the BAASS investigations under the AAWSAP contract, with insight into the people doing the work, and just what kind of research was funded.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Chris J. Marx became a naturalized citizen of the US in 1992 after moving here from his birthplace of Germany. Before his military service, he worked in Law Enforcement in New Mexico from 1995 to 2004, as a Sheriff’s Sergeant and an Investigator. In 2006 he joined the U.S. Army Military Police Corps, deploying for two tours of combat in Iraq between 2007 and 2009, and in his second tour, held a top-secret clearance and worked in military intelligence. After returning to civilian life, in April 2010 Marx was selected to work for Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), providing security and assisting research at Robert Bigelow’s Skinwalker Ranch property in Utah. </span><br />
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">In the two weeks between his hiring and first deployment, Marx was instructed to read at the library at Bigleow’s offices at 4975 Polaris Avenue, Las Vegas. There, he studied material that included <i>Hunt for the Skinwalker</i> by Colm Kelleher and George Knapp, and a dossier on the 1947 Roswell UFO incident. If that wasn’t strange enough, for his first task,” they handed me a stack of orders... from 1942... about a German excursion, a U-Boat excursion to find the sunken city of Agartha. I spent at least 10 days on translating that.” He’d been given the task, because, “that’s my native language.”</span></div>
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He said that all guards hired had to have security clearances, and many were former Air Force, law enforcement, or other military. On his first deployment to Skinwalker Ranch, he received a tour of the property, and instructed that in addition to patrols, guards were required to routinely perform experiments “to document anomalies” as directed by BAASS scientists. There were about ten guards total, and they worked there for two weeks at a time, then relieved by the next team, typically with a partial one-day overlap. They’d return to Las Vegas for other duties, debriefings, and time off until their next rotation.<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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With all the property he owned and leased, Bigelow's ranch consisted of about 1000 acres. Marx explained that the land itself was beautiful, but the structures on the property were in poor condition, and the newest one, the double-wide trailer that served as their base was sitting on blocks and had a dilapidated deck behind it. There were three dogs there, but not trained canine guards, just pets, really. “Bio sensors,” was the BAASS designation for the dogs, the same as the cattle on the property. </div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Part of the attraction of working for a technological company like Bigelow’s must be the access to cool toys, but if that was what Marx had expected, he was in for a letdown. The trailer had some equipment, but it was old and in poor working condition, and he described a collection of low-quality digital cameras, an antiquated night vision unit that was shoddy and grainy, and a thermal imaging system also in poor working condition. There was also an old laptop with Ethernet but no WiFi, a telephone and an old paper-fed FAX machine. Marx said personnel filed reports by Fax, one sent to BAASS, with a copy also sent to the “government sponsor,” but at the time, he had no idea what agency it represented. </span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Undated photos of the trailer interior by Chris Marx.</td></tr>
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As for the chain of command, Marx described the people he interacted with; Robert Eickenhorst was first-line supervisor or manager, above him, Loran Huffman and Doug Kurth as Ranch co-administrators, then Dr. Colm Kelleher, and at the head, owner Robert Bigelow. <span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Chris Marx on duty at the Bigelow ranch</td></tr>
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With his background in investigations, Marx was compelled to do more than was asked of him. Since the tools provided were so poor, Marx asked Kelleher if he could bring his own equipment and was given permission to do so. Marx said that since he started bringing his own equipment, he had “hundreds upon hundreds” of photos, and has records of almost everything from the experiments and investigations he conducted at the Ranch, with the exception of the DNA samples he’d sent off to back to BAASS.<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">In September 2010, Marx was paired with a new hire, Chris Bartel. Marx said they were instructed to report on “phenomena” at the Ranch. He had a number of unusual experiences while there, noting that several key locations each had their own particular characteristics. In particular, he cited the trailer, Homestead 2, Homestead 3, the Mesa, and the river, each seeming to produce different effects, such as emotional changes, physical sensations, and electromagnetic interference. Marx described a debriefing where he was questioned by Bigelow, who was interested in the emotional changes and asked detailed follow-up questions about specific physical effects. He noted that Bigelow and the others accepted the accounts uncritically, as if it was what they expected to hear, and he got the feeling that they were comparing it with previous similar reports. Marx said that the ten guards in rotation all had similar experiences, which they would discuss in their overlap between the shift changes. </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">In discussing the funding, he said at the BAASS headquarters in Las Vegas on Polaris, he saw 10 Canon cameras. He asked if he could use those for the ranch and was told no. there was a deck in disrepair behind the trailer and he was not allowed to repair or replace it when the ranch vehicle needed new tires they were purchased on the cheap.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">In discussing the finances, he said there was no money, that it was a cheap operation and he noted that they were the facilities and equipment were in disrepair, and when he asked for permission to upgrade them it was denied. There was no indication of any money put into the ranch. When the septic system broke, it took weeks to get it fixed by the lowest bidder. The trailers were plagued by rats and mice, and standard mouse traps were used, which he noted was the cheapest solution, and the guards themselves were expected to solve the problem rather than engage a professional exterminator.</span></div>
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<span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">Douglas S. Kurth had an interesting role in the Bigelow organization, but little is known about it . As Lt. Col. “Cheeks” Kurth, he was a key witness in the 2004 Nimitz UFO encounter, and in Dec. 2007 was the first known hire for </span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies, LLC, which was registered as a Nevada business the next month. At Kurth’s LinkedIn profile, he lists his role as “Program Manager”and left BAASS in June 2013. He’s documented as <a href="https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2020/04/baass-program-managers-held-meetings-in_54.html" target="_blank">part of the BAASS team</a>, along with Colm Kelleher, but he <a href="https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2018/05/did-aawsa-programaatip-really-start-in.html" target="_blank"><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">doesn’t want to talk about it</span></a>. </span></div>
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When Chris Marx was asked about the roles and job titles of Douglas Kurth and Loran Huffman, he said, “I dealt with Kurth sporadically. Kurth was not really a people person kind of guy. I had brief conversations with him. I knew he was a fighter pilot at some point, I did not know he was part of that Nimitz issue, and quite frankly, I’d never heard of the Nimitz [UFO encounter] at that point, I had no idea. I mostly dealt with Loran, Kurth seemed more in the background of it all, and I never dealt with him a whole bunch, just here and there... All I knew was he was Ranch administrator along with Loran Huffman, but what his specific role was, I have no idea. And even with Loran’s specific role, he dealt with personnel, he was more like the HR kind of guy, but what his specific scope was I don't know.” <span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Electromagnetic anomalies</b> - Marx said, “The only [other] scientist that ever came up during that time was Jason Viggato, who from what I understood was a physicist. We set up a daisy chain of laptops around Homestead 2 to measure, what was explained to me, electromagnetic pulse. We hooked them up, turned them on - I was there with him, and they would flatline. There was some sort of a measuring capacity that they had, to measure the electromagnetic pulse - phenomena, I guess, so it was explained.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Psychic contact</b> - Another experiment Marx mentioned was not set up by scientists, but by BAASS management. Quoting from <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-0e1_NlT0&feature=youtu.be&t=2606" target="_blank"><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">Chris Marx on Skinwalker Ranch & Human Experimentation</span></a>, The Black Vault Radio. Ep-46: </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“When I talk occult, what opened the door to that was we - actually, this was an experiment that was designed by Doug and Loran, </span><span class="s5" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(50, 51, 51); color: #323333; font-kerning: none;">Loran Huffman, </span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Douglas Kurth, who were overseeing the Ranch prop, well, some of the experiments, and came up with different methodologies. Loran and I walked the Ranch together, identifying what we believed to be hotspots... and we came up with 13…” Marx said they had 13 tamper-proof evidence bags each with written questions that had been prepared, the contents known only by one person controlling the experiment. “We placed those evidence bags at those locations, and... when the new guards came in, Loran and Doug were up there, and we set up video cameras and audio equipment, and all that. They had designed a Ouija board that would basically show the thirteen different bags, and then through Ouija, ask what the answer to question number one is, or number two, or number three. So we were trying to communicate with it through Ouija. ...this is not anything that was just done on the fly, this was very well thought out, that was very much designed, and there were seven of us total that were in the room in, the kitchen, in the trailer, and four of us sitting [at] the table...”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Those management-directed experiments came to an end around 2011, matching the timeframe when Bigelow lost his government funding. Several things changed around that time, and he says the Faxed reports to the government also ceased. The skeleton crew at the property was cut in half, from two men, to one per deployment to guard the billionaire's entire Skinwalker Ranch acreage.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">When researching The Pentagon UFO Money Trail, we found a stray puzzle piece. Former BAASS guards working at Bigelow’s Skinwalker Ranch say that while back in Las Vegas from their two-week deployments, they were sometimes assigned to provide security for another Bigelow property, a building complex on Pama Lane. Chris Marx described it as four different buildings that included offices and laboratories, completely built and finished, but for some reason, never occupied. According to <a href="https://realnex.com/listings/692466/2252-2306-pama-lane" target="_blank"><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">real estate listings</span></a>, the facilities were built in 2007, currently offered for sale at a price of about $7.5M.</span></div>
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The <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html" target="_blank"><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">AATIP <i>New York Times</i> story</span></a> from 2017 stated that Bigelow’s “company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials.” The timeline suggests that Bigelow intended for the Pama Lane complex to house BAASS for its work on the DIA, and one of the conditions from AAWSAP stipulates: “Contractor shall provide a work facility (including unclassified information systems) with a Top Secret Facility Clearance granted by the Defense Security Service (DSS).” Marx didn’t know if any of the Pentagon’s $22M went towards funding the project, but notes it was put up for sale after the AAWSAP funding was withdrawn and BAASS folded. <span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The dogs at Skinwalker ranch were designated “bio-sensors” by BAASS, and it may be the guards served a similar function. Marx talked about <a href="http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2020/01/aawsapaatip-mri-brain-scans-and.html" target="_blank"><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">tests done on BAASS employees</span></a> working the Ranch, saying, “I know there was a fridge up there that held bodily fluids, like urine and so forth, people had to pee in bottles.” When asked how the samples were collected and analyzed, he said, “They were taken back to Las Vegas at shift turnover, and I don’t know who they ended up with, but they were taken back by the guards themselves.” </span></div>
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While at the Reno clinic, “...we both underwent the MRI... What else was tested? I don't know, I think there may have been more from evidence that has come out since then.” When they asked about the results, “we were told that we would not receive that information,” just that they would be notified if there was a “brain tumor, or a life-threatening condition.” When asked about the frequency of this testing, he said, “Chris and I only went up there once... but, I know of at least 5, possibly 6 MRIs that were conducted on Ranch personnel.” <span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Marx took a leave from BAASS for a military tour of service in Afghanistan, and when he returned in 2016, he found Bigelow had sold the Ranch to a new owner. BAASS was being dissolved and he says that he and Colm Kelleher were its last two employees, both transferred to the main company, Bigelow Aerospace, and Marx stayed there until February 2019. </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">After Marx left Bigelow, he found some of the news stories about AATIP, and “ began to put the pieces of the puzzle together.” He read the AAWSAP solicitation contract, and knew that the DIA was the “government sponsor” that had received the Fax reports from the Ranch. The stated purpose of the program was to develop advanced aerospace propulsion, cloaking techniques and Radio Frequency Directed Energy Weapons. It also called for the study of “human effects.” Marx began pursuing the possibility that he and the other Ranch guards were used as human test subjects, either from the alleged energies at the Ranch, or for weapons research and testing done there under Bigelow’s government contract. He began asking questions to see if there was a connection.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Recently, Bartel and Marx requested and received copies of their MRI tests from the Reno clinic, and the paperwork. “It was funny because a while prior to that, Eric Davis had said - he’s been very critical of all of this... (saying, Chris and I are... just in this to make a quick buck and to sue somebody... crazies with a crazy theory…) saying it was just a pre-employment test. And so when I got this letter back, it was very peculiar for me to see that it actually said on the letter that it was pre-employment.” Marx says that’s nonsense, because he’d “already been working there for a year and a half, so it definitely wasn't a pre-employment anything.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">He went on to say, “So, long story short, it dawned on me, no this wasn’t just an MRI, because the people who were CC'd on these findings were - first of all, were not just ordinary physicians, and second of all, there’s a HIPAA issue with sharing medical information across the board. So there were a few red flags that popped up, and like I said, it became a puzzle, and the more pieces of that puzzle became available, the more it created a picture, and the more it answered the questions that I had early on, how it was such a Mickey Mouse operation up there and nobody cared what you did, all they cared about was what you experienced and the questions they were so specific [about] your own physiological changes and into your mental state, it all of a sudden started making sense. Why would you publish a book, <i>Hunt for the Skinwalker,</i> and then on the other hand, try to be all hush-hush? There are so many contradictions, the bean sprout experiment is another one, I mean there are so many…”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">A possible answer comes from a “Senior Manager of BAASS,” <a href="https://www.8newsnow.com/news/statement-from-a-senior-manager-of-baass/1160216617/" target="_blank"><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">published a statement</span></a> on May 4, 2018:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Marx now believes that whatever may (or may not) be at Skinwalker Ranch, there’s been a deliberate agenda to create a myth by exploiting Native American tribal lore to blame anything strange that happens there on, “the unexplained - the anomalous.” He also has reason to suspect that the AATIP story may have been a part of it.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Chris Marx is just one of 50 or more employees of BAASS from the AAWSAP contract era, and there were many others involved, subcontractors, from MUFON, EarthTech, and the authors of the 38 technical studies used as DIRDs. All these people hold pieces of the puzzle, and bit by bit, the truth will come out.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">By Curt Collins and Roger Glassel</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Finding the truth about the Pentagon UFO program has been difficult since it is tangled in deception from its creation. The fog partly lifted, but was replaced by smoke, from promotion by advocates, to the contradictory statements from Pentagon officials. Select information has been downplayed or omitted, and some of the people involved do not want their involvement revealed. Others may wish to maintain the mystery for their own agendas. Even the name of the project has been a matter of controversy. Documents prove it was originally created in 2008 as AAWSAP, but by 2009 was commonly referred to as AATIP:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“The objective of this program is to understand the physics and engineering of these [advanced aerospace weapon system] applications as they apply to the foreign threat out to the far-term, i.e., from now through the year 2050.” </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">There was no reference whatsoever to UFOs, but former Senator Harry Reid said that the first program manager (Dr. James T. Lacatski) wrote the AAWSAP contract with scientifically ambiguous terminology that would wouldn’t raise red flags, apparently so AAWSAP could get funding as an aerospace study of potential technological breakthroughs. The program contract stated: “The contractor shall complete advanced aerospace weapon system technical studies” on 12 topics, from propulsion to directed-energy weapons.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">When AATIP was made public in the Dec. 16, 2017, <i>New York Times,</i> the article revealed that Robert Bigelow’s company “hired subcontractors and solicited research for the program.” That confirmed what had been suspected by a few ufologists, that Bigelow’s research, and that the work he contracted with MUFON had been funded by the US government. That disclosure went largely unnoticed at the time, with the spotlight put on the Navy UFO videos released in connection with the story. It was over a year later before an official statement from the US government acknowledged the Bigelow company’s involvement, defined their contracted responsibilities, and gave some indication of where the money went.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The purpose of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) was to investigate foreign advanced aerospace weapons system applications with future technology projections over the next 40 years and to create a center of expertise on advanced aerospace technologies. The goal was to help understand the threat posed by unconventional or leap ahead aerospace vehicles/technologies that could have national security implications for the United States.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">DIA awarded a contract to a sole bidder [Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies, LLC,] who identified and worked with academics and scientists to produce 38 technical reports. The contract goal was to study 12 technical areas: lift, propulsion, control, armament, signatures reduction, materials, configuration, power generation, temporal translation, human effects, human interface, and technology integration.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">After an OSD/DIA review in late 2009, it was determined the reports were of limited value to DIA and there was a recommendation that upon completion of the contract, the project could be transitioned to an agency or component better suited to oversee it. Funding for the program was ended in 2012.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“Mr. Glassel – The information I shared is the totality of the program while DIA ran it. The DIA program did not cover ‘anomalous events.’ The program required the contractor to produce studies in the 12 technical areas.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">In the beginning there was Robert Bigelow, a billionaire with an interest in UFOs and the paranormal. He owned </span><span class="s2" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;">Bigelow Aerospace, operated the </span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) in 1995, and the next year purchased the Skinwalker Ranch. Bigelow NIDS shut down in 2004, but it certainly did not end his interest in the unexplained.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Relating a story about the 2007 time frame, <a href="https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/03/harry-reid-on-what-the-government-knows-about-ufos.html" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">Senator Harry Reid</span></a> said his friend Robert Bigelow contacted him about receiving a letter from a a Ph.D, “a senior, longtime member of this security agency,” who wanted to visit Skinwalker Ranch. Afterwards the scientist (Dr. James Lacatski) said, “Somebody should study it.” When Reid asked how to persuade the US Senate who controlled over the defense money, the scientist replied, “What I will do is prepare something for you that anyone can look at it that wants to, it’s strictly science.” That would ultimately become the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).</span></div>
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<span class="s4" style="font-kerning: none;">Bigelow created a sister company, </span><span class="s1" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;">Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies, with</span><span class="s4" style="font-kerning: none;"> the first known employee </span><span class="s1" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;">(Douglas S. Kurth) hired in Dec. 2007, then the company registered as a LLC in Jan. 2008, therefore in development several months prior to AAWSAP’s inception. Possibly a chicken or the egg question? With his friendship with Reid, or his contact with the DIA scientist, Bigelow may have known the AAWSAP bid opportunity was coming and spent months preparing for it. <a href="https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/harry-reid-shares-details-on-pentagon-ufo-program" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">Harry Reid said</span></a>, "we wanted to make sure people couldn't complain about it that it was some sweetheart deal" and that that the job open to any qualified contractor, "put out to bid."</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">On </span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">August 18, 2008 </span><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program </span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">contract bid solicitation date opened, and the process closed on Sept. 5, with BAASS, the sole bidder, being awarded the contract. Just as Dr. Lacatski had told Sen. Reid, it was “strictly science” and made no mention of UFOs, anomalous events, or aerial phenomena. By mid-September 2008 </span><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">BAASS</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"> was hiring scientists and other personnel in relation to the contract.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies was unveiled to the public in an interview with George Knapp on the radio program,<a href="http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/12/baass-transcript-of-and-commentary-on.html" target="_blank"><span class="s5" style="color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;"> </span><span class="s6" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(2, 30, 170); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">Coast to Coast, Sept. 28, 2008</span></a>. Bigelow used the show as some sort of substitute for a BAASS press release, describing most everything except for the fact that the DIA was funding the operation:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">KLAS-TV 8 News Now, May 4, 2018, presented an article from a Bigelow unidentified former officer, “<a href="https://www.8newsnow.com/news/statement-from-a-senior-manager-of-baass/1160216617/" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">Statement from a Senior Manager of BAASS</span></a>,” who described how Bigelow’s plan was implemented:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“BAASS broke new ground in professionalism by hiring, training and deploying 50 full-time staff comprising retired military intelligence and law enforcement officers, PhD level scientists, engineers, technicians, analysts, translators, and project managers to create the largest multi-disciplinary full-time team in history to investigate the UFO topic.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">As for Bigelow’s initiating “</span><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;"> relationships and contracts,” o</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">n September 20, 2008, he contacted John Schuessler of the Mutual UFO Network, who in turn shared the word with the Board of Directors about a “contract for MUFON... The work is proprietary...” Bigelow concealed the fact from MUFON that they were doing subcontracting work for the US government. The outcome of the BAASS-MUFON contracts was examined in detail in the article, </span><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;"> <a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/the-pentagon-ufo-programs-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;"><b>The Pentagon UFO Program’s Secret Partner</b></span></a><b> </b></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“DIA chose Mr. Bigelow, and Bigelow Aerospace. Bigelow, then further subcontracted this out. ...He looked for the best and brightest in the aerospace and the investigations field and everywhere else, to try to answer the mail, the mission, that the U.S. government, legally gave him.” He approved of Bigelow’s methods, saying, “I would have done it exactly the same way.” When prompted, he agrees that BAASS delivered a lot of material for the program. Elizondo responds, “Very quickly, by the way too. That organization provided a very clear snapshot of not only what we knew, but more importantly, what we didn’t know.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">To date, the DIA and Pentagon spokespersons have only acknowledged 38 scientific studies for the program, Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs), that were produced by contractor Robert Bigelow’s company BAASS, thorough a subcontractor, Dr. Hal Puthoff’s EarthTech. (See the appendix for an examination of DIRDs) It has since been revealed that BAASS produced much more than the DIRDs under the DIA contract. What remains unknown is how much of what BAASS produced actually served the purpose of AAWSAP, and how much of that data gathered was actually delivered to the Pentagon. First we’ll examine the Skinwalker ranch involvement in the AATIP story, then take a look at the UFO projects chronologically.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Robert Bigelow <a href="https://lasvegassun.com/news/1996/oct/23/nevada-millionaire-buys-ufo-ranch-in-utah/" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">reportedly paid</span></a> $200,000 for Skinwalker Ranch in 1996, and it’s conceivable that his greatest investment there was not in the land, but the research conducted there between from 1996 to the early 2000s during the operation of NIDS. Supposedly the Ranch was a key point of interest in initiating the DIA program, but by all credible accounts, there was no substantial scientific work conducted there during the BAASS-AAWSAP contract period. The Ranch was staffed by only two guards at a time. </span>They were there to guard the property, with the secondary directive to observe and report on anything anomalous. The guards were provided a small collection of outdated equipment, and their assigned investigative duties were minimal. It was a low-budget operation. </div>
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<span class="s1" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;"><b>Oct. 3, 2008</b> - Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies <a href="https://www.netim.com/domain-name/whois-search.html" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">registered the domain</span></a>, </span><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35);">http://www.baass.org, however it appears to have never been active beyond hosting email addresses, two of which are known: Reporting@baass.org and Investigators@baass.org.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Jan. 2009</b> - A BAASS hired a translator to transfer French GEIPAN documents into English, apparently to include them in the “Capella” database.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>February 18, 2009</b> - after weeks of negotiations, a second contract between BAASS and MUFON was signed, for UFO field investigations and access to MUFON’s CMS for current and historical UFO sighting reports for a contracted fee of $56,000 monthly. BAASS subsequently ordered 40 MUFON Field Investigator manuals, for their team, in the amount of $1800 + shipping. </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“Well I came into the picture when BAASS contacted me, contacted my organization and asked me to collaborate as a subcontractor... I was contracted to commission papers from experts around the globe. ...over a two-year period, I let out thirty-eight contracts. ...if you read between the lines, and you see... This was definitely a UFO program. ...These papers were collected together and put out as a series of Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs). They were put up on a special server called JWICs (Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System).”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">To date, we don’t have documentation for the cost per paper of the subcontracted studies, but BAASS had contracted the </span><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">MUFON Advanced Technology Establishment</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"> for five similar studies at a price of $2000 each. We can estimate a minimum expenditure on the first 26 DIRDs at $52,000 </span></div>
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<span class="s2" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;"><b>May 30, 2009</b> - BAASS hired a Portuguese translator in preparation for a 2009 “mid summer or fall” Brazil trip to pursue UFO material, including Colares cases documents from the government’s “Operation Plate.” See: “<a href="http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2020/04/baass-team-visited-brazil.html" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">BAASS team visited Brazil</span></a>” An investigation by Marc Cecotti and Keith Basterfield. </span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Their investigation revealed an email exchange from August 2009 relating to the purchase of UFO data and materials, and Ademar Gevaerd from Brazil recently confirmed: “We spoke about a contract of services… in order to find metamaterials.” There was a second trip by a BAASS team to Brazil, but no evidence has surfaced of any resulting purchases, so these trips are cited to document examples of BAASS travel expenditures.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>June 2009</b> - Bigelow had another tactic to collect UFO reports. He bought them outright. Canadian researcher <a href="http://the-v-factor-paranormal.blogspot.com/2010/12/brian-vike.html" target="_blank"><span class="s6" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(2, 30, 170); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">Brian Vike</span></a>, writing about the HBCC (Houston British Columbia Canada) UFO Research site: "I did own and operate it at one time, but I sold my 5 domain names to Bigelow Aerospace back I believe in June of 2009." The site is no longer active, but here's an archive of <a href="https://web.archive.org/...//www.hbccufo.org/about-us.html" target="_blank"><span class="s6" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(2, 30, 170); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">HBCC UFO Research</span></a> from 2010, under BAASS management.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>July 2009</b> - BAASS Ten Month Report delivered to DIA. According to Tim McMillan in <a href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a30916275/government-secret-ufo-program-investigation/" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">Inside the Pentagon's Secret UFO Program</span></a>, for the DIA, BAASS produced a “ 494-page ‘Ten Month Report,’ ...chock full of strategic plans, project summaries, data tables, charts, descriptions of biological field effects, physical characteristics, methods of detection, theoretical capabilities, witness interviews, photographs, and case synopses—each one entirely, explicitly about unexplained aerial phenomena.” there was also a mention of Bigelow’s Skinwalker Ranch in Utah as a “possible laboratory for studying other intelligences and possible interdimensional phenomena.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Jan. 31, 2010</b> - The MUFON SIP field investigation program first had its funding cut by BAASS, and the contract was subsequently not renewed, so shut down. Under the reduced funding, $324,000 total was received from BAASS over the life of the project. </span></div>
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<span class="s2" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;"><b>March 25, 2010</b> - Colm Kelleher <a href="https://theozfiles.blogspot.com/2020/04/baass-interest-in-australian-and.html" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">emailed Australian researcher Bill Chalker</span></a>: </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“Since like 2008, I have been part of Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies... we are interested in compiling a database of high-quality cases from around the world. ...we would love to hear of any cases in Australia or China that have physical evidence (including trace evidence) associated with them.” Nothing resulted, but this indicates that a global search was underway by BAASS, and that they were ready to pay for it if necessary.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>2010 Date?</b> - EarthTech subcontracted 12 more technical studies to be used as DIRDs, for a minimum estimated price of $24,000.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>June 10, 2010</b> - Robert Bigelow uncharacteristically made public comments to the <i>New York Times</i> on UFOs and emphasized the danger from them:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“I’ve been a researcher and student of U.F.O.’s for many, many years. Anybody that does research, if people bother to do quality research, come away absolutely convinced. You don’t have to have personal encounters. People have been killed. People have been hurt. It’s more than observational kind of data.” It’s possible these comments were intended to help secure another year of BAASS funding by the DIA.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>June 2010</b>. A large number of BAASS personnel were laid off according to their LinkedIn profiles. Marc Cecotti obtained a quote from a former BAASS employee that “One day in June 2010 the suits from the Defense Intelligence Agency showed up for 15 minutes, left. The next day we were all laid off.”</span></div>
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<b style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323;">July 29, 2010</b><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323;"> - An </span><a href="https://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/faa/FAA-BigelowBAASS-1.pdf" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35);" target="_blank"><span class="s6" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(2, 30, 170); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">FAA memo effective July 29, 2010</span></a><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323;"> stated: “... air traffic control reporting of UFOs in the United States should now go to BAASS...” Colm Kelleher confirmed that BAASS had an office to receive UFO reports. As with most other BAASS projects, it’s unknown how much was spent on the project or what became of the data gathered.</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Sept. 30, 2011</b> - AAWSAP option year 3 started, apparently without any funding for BAASS. AATIP was transferred to OSD control (according to Luis Elizondo).</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b><span style="font-size: large;">The Money: Tracking what the Pentagon Funding Purchased</span></b></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">One of the most paradoxical aspects of the AATIP story is the BAASS subcontract MUFON, which was simultaneously the most publicly known project, but held some of the greatest secrets. Of the $22M from the AAWSAP contract, only the payments of BAASS to MUFON can be accounted for.</span></div>
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<b><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span>The MUFON-BAASS Transactions and Tax Reporting</b></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">$10,000 (MATE papers)</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">$1800 (Field Investigator manuals)</span></div>
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<span class="s8" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none; text-decoration-line: underline;">$324,000</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b> </b>(SIP funding and CMS access)</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>$335,800 </b>(total)</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">"MUFON is an all-volunteer, non-profit 501(c)3 charitable corporation," according to their website. When Bigelow approached MUFON with the proposition to hire them, some of the Board of Directors questioned how it might affect their non-profit tax status or conflict with the group’s goals. Here’s an example, a Dec 9, 2008, MUFON email between the </span><span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">MUFON Advanced Technology Establishment team</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>“Dear Mates:</i></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>... The issue has been raised as to what form of business entity our project should utilize. That may depend on whether we decide to go with a start up company for the power generation project or actually run the project ourselves. If we should decide to run the project ourselves, it has been suggested that we should set up another not-for-profit organization. In considering that question, we have to ask what our goal would be? </i></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>MUFON already has not-for-profit corporation status. Is the goal to keep the information from the board? All we really want to do is to keep the name of the sponsor from becoming known, isn't it? If there is that much concern about the board members knowing the name of our sponsor, perhaps they could agree in principal that they don't need to know that information (based on John Schu[e]ssler's and James' assurances?) but can participate generally in decisions. If we keep the information about what we're doing from the board, doesn't that place James, Bob and Robert in a tough and possibly unethical position? We could have the board members sign the second NDA form, or something similar, so that they realize they are jeopardizing their position with MUFON if they reveal the information.”</i></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Ultimately MUFON elected to continue the contract under their existing structure, justifying the income as financing their core mission. The MUFON Federal tax filing from 2008 and 2009 reflects the money from Bigelow shows a total of $344,667 as “contributions” from BAASS rather than contracted work, services rendered, or goods purchased.</span></div>
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<span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none; text-decoration-line: underline;"><a href="http://mufonalookattheorganization.yolasite.com/2008-mufon-tax-return-schedule-b.php" target="_blank">MUFON 2008 Tax Return Schedule B</a></span><span class="s1" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;"> shows $242,667 received from BAASS as a contribution. (Filed under Clifford Clift as director, filed 2010-02-01.)</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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MUFONs justified accepting the BAASS contracts for the following reasons:</div>
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<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Needed the money to fund research</span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Did not conflict with goals of sharing information</span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Case information provided was (supposedly) no different than what MUFON presented in CMS site and published in Journal. </span></li>
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<b style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323;">BAASS Estimated Expenditures for FY09 and FY10</b></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">With the documented MUFON figures in hand, we can extrapolate some of the other BAASS expenditures for the DIA contract. (Note - This includes known figures, estimates, and guesswork)</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">$6,900,000 - BAASS payroll est.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">$400,000 est. cost of BAASS facilities</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">$20,000 est. cost BAASS equipment</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">$350,000 est. cost BAASS field investigations</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">$335,800 - MUFON contracts and purchases.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">$1000 - HBCC UFO websites purchased from Brian Vike of Canada</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">$20,000 - est. Hal Puthoff and EarthTech team fees</span></div>
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<span class="s7" style="font-kerning: none; text-decoration-line: underline;">$78,000 - est.</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"> for subcontracted 38 studies for DIRDs</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>$8,104,800 est. total </b></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The DIA’s contract with BAASS was for a total of $22M, so obviously the above list comes up short. Several possibilities exist. Perhaps the funds were used over a longer time frame, or the expenses were larger than are known or estimated - or the money went into projects yet undiscovered. It also may be that Robert Bigelow used AAWSAP to recover some of his previous research costs related to NIDS and Skinwalker Ranch. This exercise shows that like with the rest of the AATIP story, there are still a lot of questions yet to be answered.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The best-known product of the Pentagon UFO program is the 38 scientific studies on the future of advanced aerospace developments. In late 2017, the <i>New York Times</i> and other news agencies were shown a dossier to establish the credentials of the AATIP program. The collection included a powerpoint presentation with the slide, “FY09 Technical Reports,” the first 26 DIRDs produced via Hal Puthoff’s subcontract with Bigelow. Part of this material was later posted on the site of Chris Mellon (of <a href="https://home.tothestarsacademy.com/" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">TTSA</span></a>), but later removed. Mellon later displayed two of the missing slides during an episode of <i>Unidentified</i>, and we’ve used those to create a PDF to recreate the document.<a href="https://app.box.com/s/rvakz0ojckeazm5tps5n0rzyqyzh1i07" target="_blank"><span class="s9" style="color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;"> </span><span class="s6" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(2, 30, 170); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">AATIP Powerpoint Briefing 2009</span></a>.</span></div>
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<span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323;">In response to the </span><a href="https://fas.org/irp/dia/aatip-list.pdf" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35);" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">FOIA by Steven Aftergood</span></a><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323;"> of the Federation of American Scientists, the DIA released a list of 38 research titles funded by AATIP. This document was created by the DIA stating that it was furnishing the Congressional Committee on Armed Services with “a list of all products produced under the AATIP contract” These were the 38 Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs) contracted during the AAWSAP/AATIP project. By comparing it with the 2009 briefing document, we can determine that Puthoff contracted the following DIRDs for FY2010’s additional $12M in funding:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>Advanced Nuclear Propulsion for Manned Deep Space Missions</i>, Dr. F. Winterberg, Univ, of Nevada -Reno</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>Aneutronic Fusion Propulsion</i>, Dr. V. Teofilo, Lockheed Martin</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>Cognitive Limits on Simultaneous Control of Multiple Unmanned Spacecraft</i>, Dr. R. Genik, Wayne State Univ</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>Detection and High Resolution Tracking of Vehicles at Hypersonic Velocities</i>, Dr. W. Culbreth, Univ of Nevada - Las Vegas</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>Aneutronic Fusion,</i> Dr. W. Culbreth, Univ of Nevada - Las Vegas.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>Laser Lightcraft Nanosatellites</i>, Dr. E. Davis, EarthTech</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>MHD Air Breathing Propulsion and Power for Aerospace Applications</i>, Dr. S. Macheret, Lockheed Martin.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>Ultracapacitors as Energy and Power Storage Devices</i>, Dr. J. Golightly, Lockheed Martin.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">A few of the DIRDs have been located or leaked, and match the titles, authors, and content described in the DIA list of 38 research titles. See “<a href="https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/the-advanced-aviation-threat-identification-program-aatip-dird-report-research/" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) DIRD Report Research</span></a>” by John Greenewald.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The second group of studies may give some insight either into the AATIP project, or at least what Robert Bigelow and Hal Puthoff thought would be valuable to their sponsors. It still remains unclear if the studies reflect the true goals of the project or served as a cover story for UFO research.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Bryan Bender’s article “<a href="https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/16/pentagon-ufo-search-harry-reid-216111" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">The Pentagon’s Secret Search for UFOs</span></a>,” <i>Politico</i> magazine, Dec. 16, 2017, discussed the Bigelow-Reid connection and how AATIP was funded. “Reid initiated the program, which ultimately spent more than $20 million, through an earmark after he was persuaded in part by aerospace titan and hotel chain founder Bob Bigelow, a friend and fellow Nevadan... Bigelow... was also a regular contributor to Reid’s reelection campaigns, campaign finance records show, at least $10,000 from 1998 to 2008.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Bender quotes an unidentified former senior intelligence official who was uncomfortable with the program, “I was concerned the money was being funneled through it to somebody else who was an associate of Harry Reid’s. The whole circle was kind of a bizarre piece.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">George Knapp on the structure of the post-BAASS AATIP from the <a href="https://youtu.be/ZX7pwoNUoCk?t=794" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">2019 Laughlin UFO MegaCon presentation</span></a>: </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">[AATIP] ...a group of people Lue Elizondo was the head of. It's not so much a program as it was a loose network of intelligence officials in different agencies, including the Air Force, and the Navy, CIA, DIA, DARPA, might be a couple of other agencies, but a case would come in from any one of their units, it would be shared with this group of people and analysis would be done, evidence would be looked at, and then it's stashed in a drawer and nobody ever sees it, it's not passed up the chain of command.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><i>Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - scientific research</i> features a series of articles by Keith Basterfield and Marc Cecotti on the Bigelow-AAWSAP projects, the latest at the time of this writing is: <a href="https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2020/04/how-baass-went-about-collecting-ufo.html" target="_blank"><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">How BAASS went about collecting UFO reports from across the globe</span></a>, which features a timeline of known attempts to gather data and materials.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">More MUFON tax returns may be found at the site:<a href="http://mufonalookattheorganization.yolasite.com/" target="_blank"><span class="s9" style="color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;"> </span><span class="s6" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(2, 30, 170); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">MUFON: A look at the Organization.</span></a></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Also, see the previous articles by Roger Glassel and Curt Collins:</span></div>
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<span class="s4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;"><a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/the-pentagon-ufo-programs-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><span class="s10" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); font-kerning: none;"><b>The Pentagon UFO Program’s Secret Partner</b></span></a><b> </b></span></div>
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<a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/breaking-silence-aatips-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><b>Breaking the Silence: AATIP’s Secret Partner Speaks</b></a></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">This article originally appeared in the February 2014 issue of <i>UFO Today</i> magazine, but unfortunately the format did not allow for all the pictures used as supporting evidence, or for the three versions of the Cash-Landrum UFO illustrated by Christian Lambright. Here for the first time is the article in full.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>I'd like to get to the bottom of the Cash-Landrum affair. The story there concerns Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum and Vickie's grandson Colby. The three were coming back from a bingo game when they saw a glowing (object) spewing flames above them in the sky. They stop the car to watch this thing, and as it moved off, they reportedly saw about twenty-three helicopters escorting it out. After they got home there were all sorts of physiological effects: Their eyes swelled, their hair fell out, they developed blisters, they were nauseated and weak. The event completely altered their lives. </i></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Dr. J. Allen Hynek, <i>OMNI Magazine</i><b>, </b>February 1985<b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The December 29, 1980 encounter near Huffman, Texas is one of best known, thoroughly documented cases in UFO history. Much of the enduring appeal of this dramatic and intricate case is due to the investigation of it by highly credentialed aerospace professionals. The image formed during their early casework permanently shaped how the case is viewed and understood. We need to look back to opening the of the case to examine how that picture was developed.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">It was during Betty Cash’s second hospital stay for a mysterious illness in January 1981 that the story of the encounter began to emerge. Vickie Landrum had been making calls, desperately trying to get some help and answers. They wanted to know: what the object was, how it had injured them and who was responsible for it. When they saw the helicopters following the object, they become convinced that it was all some kind of military operation, and later reasoned that the U.S. government would have knowledge of it, and information that could help them. When Betty Cash was released from the hospital, she joined in Vickie’s efforts to reach someone who could help or provide answers. After some difficulty and delays, Betty contacted John F. Schuessler, and he began investigating the event as a UFO case.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">John Schuessler worked for McDonnell Douglas at NASA’s Johnson Space Center. He had a private interest in unidentified flying objects and was a founding member of MUFON (the Mutual UFO Network), serving as its deputy director. In 1976 he founded Project VISIT (Vehicle Internal Systems Investigative Team), a Houston-based research group that chiefly consisted of aerospace engineers and other professionals who, in their spare time, applied technical expertise to the study of USVs, or Unidentified Space Vehicles.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Schuessler began by interviewing Betty Cash about the events, taking photographs of her injuries and examining her car. Vickie and Colby Landrum were interviewed one week later, followed by a trip with them the scene. By this time, Betty had moved to Alabama to be cared for by her mother and was unavailable to participate in further physical investigations. Schuessler shared his preliminary report in March 1981 with major UFO organizations, but the investigation continued.</span></div>
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Other members of Project VISIT participated in the search for additional witnesses and investigated the source of the helicopters. Schuessler also solicited Dr. Peter Rank, a radiologist associated with MUFON, to analyze the medical records to determine if radiation could have been involved in the encounter. The nature of the witnesses’ injuries became a controversial issue; they were cited as proof of the encounter, and yet the medical records documenting them were withheld. The unwillingness of the chief investigator to allow access to case materials has long been a topic of criticism from both UFO skeptics and proponents.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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Over the next several months the media attention continued to build and formed a strange relationship with the case. The media seemed to take the lead in the production of new information and developments. Pleas in the news coverage for any additional witnesses to come forward yielded a few results- respondents claimed seeing either a UFO or some helicopters. The involvement of the television program “That’s Incredible!” led to two new developments. The witnesses were examined by doctors at Houston’s Methodist Hospital, and Vickie Landrum was questioned under hypnosis by abduction researcher Dr. R. Leo Sprinkle. Neither produced any clear solutions. While there was little progress in the case there was much activity, and it continued to look promising. The witnesses were still looking for their answers and cooperated, enduring the publicity in the hopes that it would lead to getting help.<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Vickie and Betty weren’t content to let others do all the work, and in late July 1981, it seemed their efforts were beginning to show results. Senator Lloyd Bentsen replied by letter to Betty, advising her to contact Bergstrom Air Force Base to file a report and claim for damages, stating that “...they will be most willing to assist you in any way possible.” Betty took a flight to Texas, and together with Vickie and Colby, made the long drive to Austin to visit the base. Their hopes and expectations were high, perhaps unrealistically so, due to the effusive tone of the letter. Base officials merely questioned them about the events, then explained that the Air Force no longer investigated UFO cases. The witnesses were told there was nothing the Air Force could do beyond providing them with damage claim forms. They were profoundly disappointed, and it proved to be just one event in a long series of false hopes.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Looking back, we can now see that by the fall of 1981 the VISIT investigation had peaked, but media interest in the case had not. Schuessler presented the case for the first time at the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) conference in September. In his lecture he summarized the case, describing the events to date, offering many new details, including a fresh physical description of the mysterious object. Schuessler stated it as a “...large glowing UFO... The unusual aspect of the thing was its diamond shape. Small blue lights ringed the center and the points of the diamond seemed to be cut off. The light from the object was intense and lit the whole area.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">When the case was featured in the November 1981 <i>MUFON UFO Journal</i>, it was accompanied by an illustration by Kathy Schuessler. The picture showed a clearly defined, glowing diamond-shaped UFO with a ring of lights around its center. The Schuessler description and picture served as the UFO equivalent of a police sketch, or “wanted poster,” and effectively became the face of the case.</span></div>
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The Schuessler illustration appeared next in the presentation and booklet for the 1982 MUFON Symposium in July and again later for the cover of the September 1983 <i>MUFON Journal</i>. The “lighted diamond” concept was repeated throughout UFO literature, and other artists’ versions of the UFO with a ring of lights began appearing. John Schuessler later started using a second painting by his wife that featured a more oval version of the UFO. This painting was used by Schuessler in his many slideshows and lectures on the case, and later as the cover illustration of his book, <i>The Cash-Landrum UFO Incident</i>. When the prime time television program <i>Unsolved Mysteries</i> featured the case, it based its depiction of the UFO on Schuessler’s report, introducing it to millions of viewers. The image of the otherworldly diamond played a defining role in the case.</div>
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Another byproduct of the media coverage was the investigation Department of the Army's Inspector General as to whether U.S. Army helicopters were involved in the incident. In the spring of 1982 Lt. Col. George C. Sarran spent several months checking the possibilities, and also traveled to Texas. There, he met with Schuessler, examined the cold leads and interviewed the available witnesses. Sarran considered the witnesses credible, but found no evidence to suggest any Army involvement.<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The damage claim forms obtained at Bergstrom Air Force base finally came into play in late 1982 when Peter Gersten, the flamboyant “UFO Lawyer,” filed them on behalf of the witnesses. When the claims were denied, they then attempted to file a civil suit against the United States government, a contentious process that went on for the next several years. This proved to be another false hope, as there was never enough evidence gathered to satisfy a court. The witnesses were deeply disappointed when in August 1986 the case was dismissed without ever going to trial. Media coverage of the case faded away.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">While the lawsuit developments were making headlines, UFO investigator and artist Chris Lambright tried to reach the witnesses for testimony of another sort. Lambright sought to paint technically accurate illustrations of the most credible UFO encounters. His first painting was of the classic 1964 <a href="http://www.cufon.org/contributors/chrisl/socorro.htm" target="_blank">Socorro, New Mexico sighting</a> by police officer Lonnie Zamora. There Lambright used measurements from the official reports with the direct cooperation, testimony and feedback from the eyewitness. He wanted to apply the same methods to depict the Cash-Landrum sighting.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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After studying the case literature, Lambright’s first step was to draw a series of different diamond UFO shapes, which he sent to the primary case investigator, John Schuessler, asking him to indicate which was the closest match. Schuessler instead drew his own diamond shape and included a note about the midline ring labeling it as “small blue ports or lights.” With this drawing and the published descriptions as reference, Lambright sketched out a scene of the encounter, then sought out the eyewitnesses for further details.<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">On July 10, 1985, Chris Lambright and fellow researcher Tommy Blann paid a visit to Vickie Landrum at her home in Dayton, Texas for an interview, which they recorded for reference. Lambright opened the MUFON Journal to Schuessler’s article and asked, “Do you see this illustration? This was done by John’s wife and it looks like the whole thing is glowing and it’s got a series of lights or dots or holes or something around it.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“I didn’t see any dots…nothing.”</span><span class="s2" style="font-family: "helvetica"; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;"> </span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Vickie shook her head and explained that Schuessler must have taken the blue lights from Colby’s “Lite-Brite” picture of the object.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The Hasbro toy Lite-Brite has a screen with a grid of holes lit by a tiny light bulb, allowing simple pictures to be formed using colored translucent pegs. Betty Cash later described how Colby was preoccupied with drawing the UFO for weeks after the event: “Vickie went and bought him that Lite-Brite, to try to help him… she could not afford the notebook paper that that child was going through.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Lambright moved on to other details of the craft’s flight and physical characteristics. Vickie described how they originally saw just a light at a distance through the trees. When it came down to hover over the road, they saw flames spewing downward, apparently in some kind of mechanical distress. The object would rise above the trees on a jet of fire, and when the flames diminished, it would lower.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Lambright sought clarification, “When the thing went out (flames decreased), I think most people think the thing was still glowing like a light bulb.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Shortly afterwards Lambright interviewed Betty Cash by phone. He asked Betty similar questions about the UFO and how it had been depicted.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“... they showed several small blue…it looked like portholes or lights around the middle of the object...but you don’t recall seeing anything like that on the object itself?”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“No sir!” Betty had either not seen or noticed the illustration. “I can’t imagine what picture it was that John put in the blue lights.” She went on to explain that the early case drawing she had seen was an accurate depiction.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Lambright asked, “In other words, it was a dark object with fire coming out of the bottom?”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The witnesses were not technically sophisticated, and they had difficulty describing just what they’d seen during their terrifying ordeal. The fiery light coming from the bottom of the object was blinding, and the witnesses had some trouble expressing the difference between the light and the object producing it. Vickie said, “Colby swore it looked like a big diamond. I couldn’t tell for I was so scared about him... It lifted and I knew it was at least half a mile or more across the main part of the light. It was bigger than a water tower.” (Schuessler, John F. <i>The Cash-Landrum UFO Incident.</i> </span><span class="s3" style="font-kerning: none; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;">La Porte: Geo Graphics, 1998, pp.42-43<b>.) </b></span>It seems that the original investigators were confused by this and reported the UFO itself as gigantic and glowing.</div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">How and why the “ring of blue lights” became accepted is a bit more puzzling. Vickie had explained that Schuessler photographed Colby’s Lite-Brite picture, and it seems he interpreted the colored pegs illustrating the UFO’s center as a ring of lights. There was yet another ingredient for the blue lights that Vickie didn’t seem to remember; something revealed when she had been put under hypnosis.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">On July 11, 1981 Dr. R. Leo Sprinkle put Vickie Landrum under regressive hypnosis for the coverage by <i>National Enquirer </i>magazine (and again later for the ABC network television program <i>That’s Incredible!).</i> The purpose of the hypnosis was to attempt the recovery of additional details about the sighting. During the session, two new details were produced: the scent of lighter fluid and the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>first mention of blue lights. Vickie is reported to have said, “It had some blue on it... Looked like little lights.” (Schuessler, </span><span class="s3" style="font-kerning: none; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;">1998, p.134)</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">John Schuessler accepted the hypnosis material as genuine evidence, incorporating it into the case as additional witness testimony. He interpreted the lighter fluid smell to be the odor of helicopter fuel and the blue lights as<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>a ring around the fuselage of the UFO. The hypnosis story was combined with the Lite-Brite picture and the mistaken glow to form a composite image. A new picture of the UFO was born - not of what the witnesses saw or described, but of a colorful, gigantic gleaming Unidentified Space Vehicle similar to those in Steven Spielberg’s <i>Close Encounters of the Third Kind</i>.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Betty Cash, early February 1981: “We could not get up close enough to detect what the figure was. Or I couldn’t at least, the lights were too bright in my eyesight.” She later added, </span><span class="s4" style="font-family: "times"; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">“...</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">this bright object that made the sky just split up and it looked like the world was coming to an end. It was a very bright red... (Vickie) looked out the glass but she said the light was to bright for her to see very much of the figure...”, (Schuessler, </span><span class="s3" style="font-kerning: none; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;">1998, pp. 39, 253).</span></div>
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Vickie Landrum : (Vickie told the reporter) Colby insisted that it was “diamond-shaped,”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and that “The light from it was just like someone was up in your eye shining a flashlight at 'em. Maybe he could see better from in the car or something, but we couldn't tell no shape to it. The light from it was glowing, lighting up the whole road like it would set it on fire.”<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Gordon, C. (1981, February 22). “Two women share terror of mysterious encounter,” <i>The Courier</i>, p.1A.)</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">In the original published reports there was no mention of any specific markings or lights on the UFO. There were, however, a few UFO reports in Texas and other areas both before and after the incident, some of which involved UFOs with lights. VISIT sought comparisons and connections between the Cash-Landrum sighting and some of the other incidents, most notably the separate sightings of Glenda and Jerry McDonald also of Dayton; Frank Chinn of Echols, KY.<b> (</b>Schuessler, 1998, pp. 74, 75, 314, and Brookesmith, Peter, ed. <i>The Age of the UFO. </i>Orbis Publishing, London, 1984, pp. 160-161.)</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">As they were asked to repeat the story for the public, media and investigators, Betty and Vickie gradually accepted Colby’s “diamond-shaped” description and began using it themselves in talking about what they had encountered.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“Betty described the object as just an extremely bright light with no distinct shape, Vickie said it was oblong with a rounded top and a point on the bottom, while Colby said it was totally diamond-shaped." (Lorenzen, C. (September 1981) Burns Follow UFO Incident. <i>The APRO Bulletin</i> Vol. 29, No. 8, p. 2.) </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Vickie Landrum: “It was diamond-shaped and as tall as a water tower. It was a dull metallic color, and it just floated there.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(Horswell, C. (1981, September 25) State, private agencies probing claims of UFO encounter. <i>The Houston Chronicle</i>, p.1A.)</span><span class="s5" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(185, 45, 93); color: #b92d5d; font-kerning: none;"><i> </i></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Colby made many pictures of the UFO, and one he drew with Vickie from March 1981 was reproduced in Schuessler’s book (page 237). It shows a featureless diamond-shaped object spewing flames downward. Betty Cash also drew the UFO during the interview at Bergstrom Air Force Base. It also depicts a featureless diamond-shaped object spewing flames downward. Vickie signed the drawing, agreeing that it was accurate.</span></div>
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With the legal case lost, the story of the witnesses was absorbed into the body of UFO lore, becoming little more than a parable about the evils of a cover-up by the U.S. government. Along the way, a crucial question went unasked: How did something as basic as the description of the UFO get so distorted and then become recorded inaccurately in the case history?</div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">As personal computers became more prevalent, the Computer UFO Network developed. Originally conceived as an online bulletin board; Chris Lambright joined them and led the implementation of the CUFON website. The site collected and archived important UFO material, including Cash-Landrum case documents. In 1994 Betty Cash provided them with a tape of the pivotal 1981 Bergstrom AFB interview, which documented lengthy testimony from the witnesses to U.S. military officers. CUFON published a transcription of the interview online, making it public for the first time.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Also in 1994 Lambright briefly discussed his interviews with Vickie and Betty on a UFO Internet forum. He mentioned the discrepancy of the UFO picture and details as an indication that there might be other problems in the original investigation of the case. In 2003, Rebecca Keith shared Lambright’s message on the forum by UK researcher James Easton, where it could find a wider audience. Ten years later, I came across Lambright’s comments there, and tracked him down to get the details. We’ve continued to correspond on the case, and he recently told me:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“I never did finish the oil painting I originally showed to Vickie Landrum, though I think it's still in storage somewhere... more recently I tried my hand at a rendition using a 3D program...and you get a great idea of how light effects the entire scene. It's still a guess on how bright the flames really were, and how reddish they were, etc. What really becomes obvious is how dark a dark grey object would have been in the sky, and brings home what Vickie said that if it hadn't been for the flames they might not have seen it at all.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Lambright completed two variations of the scene, showing different degrees of illumination from the flames. This is is a unique effort by Lambright, finally a realistic representation of the scene as described by the witnesses themselves.</span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Version 1: All illumination comes from the downward flames, shown here almost dormant.</td></tr>
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With the documentation that the circulated UFO description was in error, doubts arise about how other data was gathered, evaluated and represented. There was no police or Air Force investigation at the beginning of this case, and the only the documentation was the elusive medical records of Betty Cash. About all we have to work with is the media coverage, and the parts of the VISIT investigation that John Schuessler chose to share.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The Cash-Landrum case deserves a fresh look and should be reopened.</div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The passage of time closes some doors, but others may open. Betty Cash died in 1998, and Vickie in 2007, leaving only Colby Landrum remaining as a primary witness. The helicopter personnel who participated in the operation are nearing retirement age and could now discuss this case without the fear of risk to their military careers. Others who were involved may still be alive, and it is possible that once-secret government documents could now be available. The VISIT case file also needs to be opened for whatever cold leads it may provide. There is yet hope that the curtain of secrecy can be parted to provide what the witnesses have fought so hard to find - answers.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">A special thanks to Christian P. Lambright whose input into was invaluable. Chris' interviews with the witnesses, artwork, investigation and insight provided the foundation for this article. Chris has a website </span></span><a href="http://www.xdeskpublishing.com/" target="_blank">http://www.xdeskpublishing.com/</a><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">, where more information can be found on his book, </span><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(71, 71, 71); color: #474747; font-kerning: none;"><b><i>X Descending</i></b></span><span class="s4" style="color: #474747; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;"><b>.</b></span></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Conspiracy theory and Conspiracy theorist. Those terms have become tactical labels used to portray opponents as tinfoil hat-wearing crackpots. This is the story of one UFO conspiracy theory, involving the US government and federal funding, that has been proven to be true.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">When the AATIP story broke in 2017, it put the neglected UFO topic back on the front pages. Unfortunately, within it, the AATIP story also contained one of ufology’s worst scandals or fiascos in recent history, and it confirmed the rumors of the US government’s involvement in civilian UFO research. Not only was this conspiracy theory real, it involved the US Congress, the Department of Defense, and billionaire Robert Bigelow, a NASA contractor.</span></div>
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<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>A Glossary of Abbreviations</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Recap of our Previous Article</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>AAWSAP or AATIP, “Mostly Just One Guy?”</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>What’s So Bad About Taking a Little Government Money?</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Additional Data: MUFON UFO Reports Sent to BAASS</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The Devil’s Advocate: Possibly Misunderstood, Not Sinister?</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Public Statements by Bigelow, Elizondo, & Harzan on the BAASS-MUFON Era</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>MUFON’s Response to Questions about the Bigelow Contracts</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>An Interview with James Carrion</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Picking up the Scent: The FAA and the UFO Hotline</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The Legacy of Elaine Douglass</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>On The UFO Trail of Robert Bigelow</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Dissident UFO Buffs</li>
<li><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Sources, Resources, and Further Details on BAASS and MUFON’s SIP (Revised)</li>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">In our previous article, <a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2020/03/the-pentagon-ufo-programs-secret-partner.html" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">The Pentagon UFO Program’s Secret Partner</span></a>, we revealed a previously hidden chapter of the AATIP story. For those who need a glossary for the alphabet soup involved:</span></div>
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<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>AATIP</b>: Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program </span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>AAWSAP</b>: Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program</span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>BAASS</b>: Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (owned by Robert Bigelow)</span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>CMS</b>: MUFON’s web-based </span><span class="s4" style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">Case Management System, a UFO report database.</span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>DIA</b>: United States Defense Intelligence Agency</span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>DoD</b>: United States Department of Defense</span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>FAA</b>: Federal Aviation Administration</span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>MATE</b>: MUFON Advanced Technology Establishment</span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>MUFON</b>: Mutual UFO Network (largest civilian UFO group in the USA)</span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>NIDS</b>: National Institute for Discovery Science (owned by Robert Bigelow)</span></li>
<li><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>SIP</b>: STAR Team Impact Project (MUFON’s field investigations)</span></li>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Newly surfaced documents show how in 2008, billionaire Robert Bigelow was contracted by the US Government’s Defense Intelligence Agency, and in turn his Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) subcontracted a civilian group, the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) to write scientific papers and to conduct field investigations of UFO sightings. However, MUFON was duped; Bigelow did not reveal that their funding came from the Pentagon. Another strange angle is that the language used in the contract and the studies ordered avoided UFO terminology, and it appears to have been a deception to conceal what the government was funding. </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Under the BAASS contract, UFO data was to be obtained in three ways. First, the “MUFON Advanced Technology Establishment” (MATE) prepared five scientific papers on advanced aerospace performance, for which they were paid $10,000. Second, they wanted MUFON’s files, and third, to pay them $56,000 a month for on-the-spot investigations of new UFO sightings. </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">It all went sour over the money, and the two parties had an ugly break-up in early 2010. Here’s a sanitized official view of the BAASS arrangement from the man who helped create it, John Schuessler, in “<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120521015856/http://mufon.com:80/MUFONHistory.html" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">A Brief History of MUFON</span></a>,” from 2012:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“In 2008, [director] <a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/p/james-carrion.html" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">James Carrion</span></a>, Jan Harzan, Chuck Modlin and John Schuessler met with Robert Bigelow and his team... Later, Carrion negotiated a contract with Bigelow Aerospace that allowed MUFON to organize a funded rapid-response effort that could put investigators in the field on high value UFO cases within 24-hours. It also gave Bigelow Aerospace access to the MUFON Case Management System. Unfortunately, dissident UFO buffs quickly came up with nonsense conspiracy theories about the cooperative agreement and spread malcontent and disinformation about it across the Internet.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The Bigelow-MUFON saga was discussed in Sarah Scoles book, <a href="http://www.sarahscoles.com/theyarealreadyhere.html" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;"><i>They Are Already Here: UFO Culture and Why We See Saucers</i></span></a>:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“Carrion resigned in 2010, putting out a public statement... In it, he revealed his qualms about the Bigelow deal and hinted that the government was involved. Who was the true sponsor of the STAR team? <i>‘It is time for MUFON to sweep its own house clean,’</i> the letter concluded. The cobwebs wouldn’t get clear for years—not even when Robert Bigelow landed on the front page of the <i>New York Times</i>.” </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">That Dec. 16, 2017, <i>New York Times</i> article revealed that Bigelow’s company “hired subcontractors and solicited research for the program.” It confirmed what had been suspected by a few ufologists, that Bigelow was working for the Pentagon, and that his work with MUFON had been part of it. </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">That disclosure went largely unnoticed at the time, with the focus put on the Navy UFO videos released in connection with the story. What changed things was Tim McMillan’s Feb. 14, 2020, article, <a href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a30916275/government-secret-ufo-program-investigation/" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">Inside the Pentagon's Secret UFO Program</span></a>, which stated:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“The first pages list the names of every contractor working for BAASS with appropriate security clearances... some of those listed are very familiar to the UFO community, including (Hal) Puthoff, (Eric) Davis, Jacques Vallee, and Colm Kelleher.” It was “full of strategic plans, project summaries, data tables, charts, descriptions of biological field effects, physical characteristics, methods of detection, theoretical capabilities, witness interviews, photographs, and case synopses,” including, “A possible UAP landing reported to BAASS by the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) and its STAR Team.”<i> </i></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">In an <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1XfZJM-qsI&feature=youtu.be&t=3228" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">interview on Inside the Black Vault</span></a> with John Greenewald, McMillan mentioned another</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">name in connection with the security clearances:<br /><br /><i>“...that 10 Month report lists every BAASS contractor who had the clearance to be approved in the program. ...Jacques Vallee, John Schuessler…” </i></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">(Jacques Vallee's involvement in BAASS was kept quiet at the time, and ever since. His website bio however, listed him since 2002 as serving on the scientific advisory board of Bigelow Aerospace, and so it remained until 2019. The last name McMillan mentioned seemed way out of place, since John Schuessler was on the Board of Directors of MUFON, and its previous International Director.)</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">But it was that STAR Team case, the “possible UAP landing” case that MUFON had sent to BAASS that fascinated us, because if specific data could be traced from MUFON to this report, it would conclusively prove the flow of information from a civilian organization into the hands of the Pentagon. That set Roger Glassel in motion, and what we found caused us to reexamine AATIP history with a new set of eyes.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">In the eyes of <a href="https://fas.org/irp/dia/aatip-list.pdf" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">Congress, the DIA</span></a>, and Pentagon spokespersons, AATIP and AAWSAP were the same project, and Dr. Hal Puthoff has stated that AATIP was just a nickname for AAWSAP. However, Luis Elizondo differentiates the two as distinctly separate. Throughout our articles, we have used AAWSAP to refer to the original program, and mostly used AATIP to refer to how the project was discussed after it was publicly revealed. Some <a href="https://twitter.com/blackvaultcom/status/1240266822936453120?s=20" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">readers objected</span></a> to our previous article’s literary device to illustrate that the size and scope of AATIP had been overinflated in its press debut. We said, that the hype:<br /><br />“… led us to believe this project was an elite squad operating out of the Pentagon doing hands-on UFO investigations, but it’s slowly come out that at their end, it was a ‘portfolio,’ mainly a part-time job for one guy to collect the material packaged and delivered by Bigelow’s company.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">We don’t have all the puzzle pieces, but if that’s an exaggeration, perhaps not by much. The DIA AAWSAP project was managed by Dr. James T. Lacatski, but essentially all operations were outsourced to BAASS in Las Vegas. About the time Lacatski left, and Luis Elizondo took over, the work from BAASS was gone, or going away. Whatever was left became known as AATIP, basically an internal network with a near-zero budget. Elizondo apparently worked on the project in addition to his other assignments (aka a part-time basis), and while others may have been involved, AATIP was “mostly” Elizondo and his efforts to gather material from the Navy and other branches of military service.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Ufology, rightly or not, has cast the US government as the bad guy, the keeper of UFO secrets, so it’s very odd indeed that MUFON would sell out, even unknowingly, to start working for “The Man” in order to facilitate the use of UFO-type technology for commercial or military use. The Bigelow contracts seem to have compromised the organization’s goals and ethics in a number of ways, including:</span></div>
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MUFON was hired to facilitate UFO propulsion to Bigelow, part of the “military industrial complex." Unless that was to used to defend the planet, how did they square that with their mission of working for "The Scientific Study of UFOs for the Benefit of Humanity?”<br />
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>The Devil’s Advocate: Possibly Misunderstood, Not Sinister?</b></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">The mysterious aerospace billionaire Robert Bigelow would make the excellent basis for a James Bond super-villain, but the real man is more complex. Maybe he has good reasons and a benign motive for his Machiavellian machinations. Bigelow appears to have a sincere and enduring interest in UFO, extraterrestrial and paranormal matters, and while he’s not alone in that, most buffs are not ruthless businessmen with secret government contracts.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Bigelow’s NIDS organization was relatively transparent, with their goals, personnel and research presented openly on their site. Something changed. First NIDS was shut down in 2004 for a flimsy-sounding reason, then the site was scrubbed of data after the AAWSAP contract was awarded. </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Rob Swiatek is still on MUFON’s Board of Directors. In April 2009 he wrote a candid letter on the BAASS-MUFON project to veteran UFO researcher <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20160908222919/http://www.jimmoseley.com/biography/" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">James W. Moseley</span></a>, publisher of the newsletter <i>Saucer Smear</i>. It’s reproduced below, and it almost reads like a postcard from an excited passenger about to board the Titanic:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“...the fortunes of MUFON have catapulted recently, although not from the sinister hand of government. ...Robert Bigelow, and his Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies came to a consensus that, yes, they need data on ...close encounter type cases … Bigelow has agreed to pay for MUFON field investigations… But the initiative is generating its own stress, and MUFON is about to discover what happens when substantial amounts of money are injected into an arena that previously had none…”<span class="Apple-converted-space"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span class="s7" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">Robert Bigelow’s contact with MUFON was someone that had worked with him in the </span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">National Institute for Discovery Science project, John F. Schuessler. It was Schuessler who took his offer to MUFON, and helped set everything up - apparently on both ends.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Unidentified Space Vehicles - that was John Schuessler’s unambiguous designation for UFOs, though his public comments were more moderate. <a href="http://www.ufoevidence.org/researchers/detail28.htm" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">Schuessler retired</span></a> from Boeing aerospace company at Houston, Texas in 1998. In the 1980’s he preferred his job to be described as “a mechanical engineer employed as McDonnell Douglas project manager for space flight operations” at NASA’s Johnson Space Center. To decode, he was emphasizing that he did not work for the US government and NASA, but actually for McDonnell Douglas, a company doing contract work for NASA. The math is simple, though, no NASA, no job. The AAWSAP and BAASS relationship was much the same.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">with it. His letter to <i>Popular Science</i> magazine in December 1967 showed his support of government involvement in ufology, but that particular project didn’t end so well:</span></div>
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<span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;">We’ve not solved the puzzle, just found more of the pieces. Switching analogies, on the UFO chessboard, we don’t even know which pieces Robert Bigelow or John Schuessler are or were. Royalty, or bishops? Surely not pawns.</span><br />
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Before we hear the new comments from MUFON players with their side of the story, we’ll take a look at what Robert Bigelow and Luis Elizondo may have recently said about the BAASS-MUFON days. Mr. Bigelow, to the best of our knowledge, has made only one public comment on his involvement since the <i>NYT</i> article in </span><span class="s4" style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">Dec. 2017</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">. In an <a href="https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/space-and-the-future-excite-robert-bigelow-in-profound-ways/" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">interview recorded Aug. 28, 2019</span></a>, with George Knapp, Bigelow <i>almost</i> talked about AATIP matters:</span></div>
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<span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;">AATIP’s Luis Elizondo has only touched on the BAASS-MUFON relationship indirectly, but dropped a big clue about why the Pentagon contact with Bigelow was terminated. In late 2008, (when Bigelow was nervous about maintaining his Government funding) Elizondo quietly entered the picture. In a </span><a href="https://youtu.be/1yjSSH95_DY?t=1966" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">2018 interview with George Knapp</span></a><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;">, Elizondo stated that he joined AAWSAP, admitted that he had coordinated with BAASS, and said:</span><br />
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">MUFON’s current Executive Director Jan Harzan spoke about AATIP on the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7ucU48TzQ&feature=youtu.be&t=676" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">MUFON Podcast Episode I</span></a>, June 6, 2019, and he praised (former BAASS contractor) Hal Puthoff’s connections, so maybe he honestly doesn’t see working with the government as a problem:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Seeking comments about what MUFON research may have been used by BAASS in their work with the Pentagon, we reached out to those involved in the 2008 - 2009 BAASS contracts. We began by asking each of them if they had seen the Feb. 14, 2020, Popular Mechanics article, “<span class="s2" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); font-kerning: none; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;">Inside the Pentagon’s Secret UFO Program</span>” by Tim McMillan, which stated:</span></div><div class="p4" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;"><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span><blockquote><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">"</span><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Charter, Georgia, Times, serif;">Some of the notable content of the 2009 BAASS Ten Month Report includes:<br />... </span><span style="font-family: Charter, Georgia, Times, serif;">A possible UAP landing reported to BAASS by the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) and its STAR Team (rapid response field investigators funded by BAASS in March 2009).</span></blockquote></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">We asked if that was accurate, and whether MUFON had received a copy of that BAASS 10 Month Report. From MUFON’s Executive Director, Jan Harzan, ex-Director John Schuessler, BAASS contractor Hal Puthoff, Luis Elizondo, and an executive assistant for Robert Bigelow, there was nothing. </span></div>
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<b style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;">Tom Deuley</b><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;">, formerly of the MUFON Board of Directors courteously replied, but said that he was no longer active in the organization, and did not wish to make a statement. However, three others did respond with comments.</span><br />
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Robert Powell</b> (now with the <a href="https://www.explorescu.org/" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">SCU</span></a>), former MUFON national research director replied:</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“I was not privy to the information that MUFON shared with BAASS.” In a follow-up, we asked specifically about his work in the MATE project, and he said, ”I'm sorry but I can't help you as all work that I ever did for BAASS was confidential and under a NDA.” He subsequently was able to confirm the project, saying, “Yes, MUFON did have a MATE team and I was part of that team.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“I seem to recall there was a landing or a CEII case the Bigelow investigators looked in to. MUFON did not receive a copy of the BAASS 10-month report. I was on the board at the time (still am) and never heard a whisper of such a report at the time.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">He later kindly added, “I’ve gone back and reviewed some documents to refresh my memory on how matters stood in 2009 re. MUFON and BAASS. ...MUFON’s STAR Impact Project (the ‘rapid response field investigators’) didn’t begin operations until April 2009. (To best of my knowledge, this was also the date on which MUFON began supplying case information to Bigelow.) ...In all—from April to October 2009—STAR teams were deployed about 45 times across the U.S. MUFON’s contract with BAASS ended in October 2009, and the flow of case information would have ceased sometime around then as well.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“Unfortunately I did not [see the BAASS document] as I would love to compare the report to the stream of SIP data that MUFON fed BAASS and ascertain whether it was a good portion of this report. By June 2009, Bigelow complained MUFON wasn't giving him his money's worth, but if the report shows that MUFON contributed the bulk ...well you can do the math on that one as to Bigelow's character.” </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Carrion was involved in virtually all aspects of the BAASS-MUFON story up until the time of his resignation. While researching this story, we asked science journalist Sarah Scoles if she’d talked to him while writing her book, <span class="s2" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); font-kerning: none; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;"><i>They Are Already Here: UFO Culture and Why We See Saucers</i></span>. She said, “... I did talk to James Carrion. We met once in person when he was in Colorado, and... [had an] interview over the phone. ...it seemed like the book would be incomplete without an account of his time at MUFON during the AATIP years (although I didn't succeed in tying MUFON and AATIP together by more than inference).”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Q</b>: James, I found your 2011 blog article “<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140821235057/http://followthemagicthread.blogspot.com/2011/01/strange-bedfellows.html" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">Strange Bedfellows</span></a>” (which discusses his resignation from MUFON), and would like to hear if you now think that the undisclosed backer for the MUFON/BAASS contract STAR Team Impact Project (SIP) was the DIA/OSD with the AATIP/AAWSA program? Reading old <i>MUFON Journals</i>, the story seems to fit, with BAASS hiring fifty scientists to help with the SIP, and some of the areas of interest were the same as that of AAWSAP.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Carrion: Perhaps the MATE reports were the carrot for MUFON's initial involvement... Is there any proof that the MATE reports went anywhere past Bigelow's desk? After the MATE papers delivery that was the end of any conversation regarding MATE. The focus then shifted 100% to BAASS contracting MUFON.</b></span></div>
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<b style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;">Q</b><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;">: At the January 2009 Las Vegas meeting (to set up the SIP field investigations contract) with Robert Bigelow and his BAASS team, I believe you'd already interacted with Colm Kelleher, but when did you first know that Hal Puthoff and Jacques Vallee were involved? </span><br />
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Carrion: I was never told exactly what their roles were. Neither Puthoff nor Vallee volunteered any information to me about what exactly they were doing on the project.</b></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Q</b>: What interaction did you have (before during or after the Las Vegas meeting) with Douglas Kurth? (Kurth was the BAASS Program Manager, a retired Marine Corps Commander and USS Nimitz UFO witness.)</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Q</b>: Can you tell me anything memorable about what Robert Bigelow said or did during this January 2009 meeting?</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Carrion: Nothing memorable that Bigelow himself said but I found it highly unusual that he proposed increasing the amount of money to spend on SIP staff incentives after the meeting. As much of a penny pincher he is and as much they dug into every detail of how the money was being spent, in hindsight this appears odd.</b></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Q</b>: What did Robert Bigelow tell you about how they were using the material MUFON provided? </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Carrion: SIP - to achieve breakthroughs in aerospace technology by learning from UFOs - either through observation or gathering of physical material. </b></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Q</b>: We know now that the BAASS-MUFON relationship was doomed no matter what, because Bigelow lost his AAWSAP funding the next year. Briefly, had it not soured, what do you think might have happened with MUFON in another year of operation?</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>Q</b>: Did you suspect that “the sponsor” who provided Bigelow's funding was a government entity?</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">To document this, Carrion provided an exchange of emails that took place shortly after the BAASS Las vegas meeting. On Feb. 11, 2009, Chuck Reever cautioned that “... if funding depends on Government sources this could be a problem if that information ever leaked.” Carrion replied, “The funding is coming from BAASS ‘sponsors’ which John Schuessler knows and feels comfortable with but that we are not privy to. I asked if there was any government ties at the meeting with Bigelow and he stated no.” </span></div>
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<span style="color: #232323; font-size: 16px;">Two years later, James Carrion was interviewed on <i>The Paracast </i>radio show with Gene Steinberg and co-host Chris O'Brien, Feb, 20, 2011. At 41:15 minutes into the show, Carrion told the same story about the Bigelow meeting in slightly different words:</span><br />
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">There were some early hints that Robert Bigelow’s contract with MUFON was part of his relationship with the US government, and one of the first to gather evidence was their state director for Utah, Elaine Douglass. She <a href="https://www.ufodigest.com/article/the-gagged-for-life-star-team-confidentiality-agreement/" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">sent emails</span></a> to MUFON leaders in December 2010, with privacy concerns over material inserted into the UFO reporting during the BAASS contract. It asked for: “consent to the release of your contact information to 3rd parties not connected to or affiliated with MUFON.” Douglass received no reply, but when another MUFON member asked, director Clifford Clift responded, saying it was to employ outside labs and consultants in investigations, and that, ”There are no conspiracies and no intent by MUFON to hide things from members. Trust MUFON.” Be that as it may, many witnesses would not have been comfortable knowing “3rd party” BAASS might have put their personal information and report into government hands. </span></div>
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<span style="color: #232323; font-size: 16px;">In 2001, Robert Bigelow’s National Institute for Discovery Science proudly announced on their site: “</span><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20010806073212/http://www.nidsci.org/news/faa.html" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); font-size: 16px;" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">NIDS Becomes Only Official Organization to Receive UFO Reports from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) June 22, 2001</span></a><span style="color: #232323; font-size: 16px;">.” </span><br />
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<span style="color: #232323; font-size: 16px;">And so it remained until after BAASS was launched, then listing was changed. An </span><a href="https://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/faa/FAA-BigelowBAASS-1.pdf" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); font-size: 16px;" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">FAA memo effective July 29, 2010</span></a><span style="color: #232323; font-size: 16px;"> stated:</span><br />
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Alfred Lambremont Webre looked into the BAASS-FAA connection in the Examiner.com, April 7, 2010, article, “<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100411062028/http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2010m4d7-FAA-removes-Bigelow-UFO-directive-issued-to-air-traffic-controllers-pilots-from-website" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">Robert Bigelow's and MUFON's hybrid UFO investigation venture 'under review' in 2010</span></a>.” Webre called Dr. Colm A. Kelleher, BAASS Deputy Administrator, about the UFO hotline. Kelleher confirmed that BAASS had an office to receive UFO reports, but minimized it, and Webre reported, “He stated that the monthly volume of UFO reports received by BAASS is ‘infrequent.’ Dr. Kelleher stated that BAASS received no FAA funds for receiving UFO reports. This reporter verified that BAASS UFO hotline staff was on duty to receive UFO reports.”<br /><br />True, the company received no FAA money, but Kelleher was not asked, nor was he inclined to volunteer, anything about the DIA funding for BAASS. Webre also discussed confidential documents that were anonymously leaked, but Dr. Kelleher did not wish “to comment on the leaked BAASS-MUFON documents.” </span></div>
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<span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;">Elaine Douglass received a copy of </span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">the <a href="http://ufoupdateslist.com/2011/feb/m05-006.shtml" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">leaked BAASS-MUFON contract</span></a>, then shared </span><span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;">it among the UFO community on</span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"> Jan. 15, 2011. Later, Douglass gave Robert Bigelow some unwanted exposure the next year, on <a href="https://www.bitchute.com/video/2GwlGKWLpNEb/" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;"><i>Conspiracy Theory With Jesse Ventura</i>: Skinwalker</span></a>, Season 3: Episode 5, Dec. 3, 2012. Ventura’s investigation-style reality show was intentionally far-out, and it often included Alex Jones, and while the show itself was looney, this episode did capture a few interesting bits, and it documented Bigelow discussing UFOs around the end of his AATIP relationship. </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Ventura interviewed Elaine Douglass about BAASS having “unseen backers,” and she told how Bigelow insisted upon control and secrecy in his contract with MUFON. There were two brief “ambush interviews'' of Bigelow. In the first, Ventura asked him about how BAASS was listed as the place to report UFO sightings in the FAA manual, but Bigelow seemed to duck the question. </span></div>
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<span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;">Later in the episode, Ventura spoke to retired Col. John B. Alexander, who took credit for arranging the FAA listing - but did not explain that it’d originated years before, with NIDS. In Alexander’s 2011 book, </span><i style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;">UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies and Realities</i><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;">, he described how he had arranged a meeting in Washington, D.C., that included himself, Bigelow, Colm Kelleher and FAA officials where they volunteered NIDS:</span><br />
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Bigelow’s involvement with the FAA extends into his AAWSAP contract days, and can by extension, be rightfully considered part of the AATIP story. In the episode's second mini-interview with Bigelow, Sean Stone got in a few quick UFO questions, including one about sharing his research. He asked, “Would you ever consider putting together some kind of dossier or document based on all the investigation that you have done over the years?”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>The Legacy of Elaine Douglass</b></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Elaine Douglass worked for the Department of Defense, and after retiring became a full time UFO investigator from the mid-1980s, and a founding editor of <a href="http://jar.exopaedia.org/?fbclid=IwAR3CRlwI-cgMNOzW2PyHTxVyzF6Hab2Kpn5RdY9pqR21VsT1VzGdBmlz2Tg" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">JAR magazine</span></a>. She was MUFON State Director for Utah, but was fired in 2010, and formed <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140103010425/http://reformmufon.org/" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">the Committee to Reform MUFON</span></a> (CRM). One of Elaine’s big concerns was the involvement of Robert Bigelow in MUFON, and the secrecy regarding it. Those issues were never resolved, and Elaine lost her battle with cancer and passed away in 2014.</span></div>
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<span style="color: #232323; font-size: 16px;">Marilyn Carlson of CRM created The Elaine Douglass Files to preserve Marilyn’s research documents. and correspondence. Unfortunately, the site is now defunct, and in what seems to be a cruel twist of fate, MUFON now houses the physical collection of Elaine Douglass’ files. Fortunately, it was not all lost. Marilyn gave permission for UFO archivist Issac Koi to collect Elaine’s files as a PDF, which is now permanently hosted at the Archives for the Unexplained (AFU) website as </span><span style="color: #232323; font-size: 16px;">the </span><a href="http://files.afu.se/Downloads/Documents/0%20-%20UFO%20Researchers/Elaine%20Douglass/Elaine%20Douglass%20files.pdf" style="font-size: 16px;" target="_blank"><span class="s10" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;"><b>Elaine Douglass Files</b></span></a><span style="color: #232323; font-size: 16px;">.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>On The UFO Trail of Robert Bigelow</b></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Jack Brewer has been following the involvement of Robert Bigelow in ufology for many years at <a href="http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">The UFO Trail</span></a>. We reached out to him for comment on the exposure of government funding in the BAASS-MUFON relationship.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">“The actions of Mr. Bigelow do not necessarily reflect those of someone with objectives of facilitating quality research or disseminating accurate information. For decades, however, organizations and people within the UFO genre framed him as a benevolent philanthropist and reliable source. Such a portrayal has not been entirely established and there is much evidence to refute it. A lack of transparency was long at issue, translating into questions of methodologies, objectives, ethics, and even competence. Now that Mr. Bigelow’s involvement with the DIA was established, it would seem questions will justifiably persist.” </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Brewer also pointed out two other earlier unsettling episodes of MUFON’s files being purchased by Bigelow or a “sponsor.”</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>The Carpenter Affair</b> - Circa 1995: Bigelow’s purchase of MUFON’s Alien Abduction Records, which included sensitive witness information.</span></div>
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<span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;">“<a href="http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-carpenter-affair-for-record.html" target="_blank"><span class="s10" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">The Carpenter Affair: For the Record,</span></a>” Oct. 22, 2013</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"><b>MUFON’s Ambient Monitoring Project</b> - Circa 2008 Originally “the Abduction Monitoring Project” Which he says it “was a rather odd initiative with an unnamed financial sponsor...”Reportedly completed, the data/results seemed to vanish.</span></div>
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<span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;">“<a href="http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2014/04/what-happened-to-ambient-monitoring.html" target="_blank"><span class="s10" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">What Happened to the Ambient Monitoring Project?</span></a>”, April 2, 2014</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Brewer also obtained documents pertaining to the 2008 BAASS-AAWSAP contract, and it shows the DIA’s refusal to reveal the identity of parties involved to a FOIA requester in 2011:</span></div>
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<span class="s3" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(35, 35, 35); color: #232323; font-kerning: none;">“<a href="http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2019/08/dia-withheld-aawsap-contract-awarded-to.html" target="_blank"><span class="s10" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none;">DIA Withheld AAWSAP Contract Awarded to BAASS in 2011 FOIA Response</span></a>,” Aug. 1, 2019</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 16px;">As mere mortals, maybe we shouldn’t question the wisdom of the Gods of Olympus, the Pentagon or even the man behind the curtain in the land of Oz. MUFON portrayed the critics of the Bigelow deal as complainers, crackpots and conspiracy theorists. To them, James Carrion was only a disgruntled ex-Director, Elaine Douglass was only a fired Utah State Director and nutty old gal, Jack Brewer was only a nobody blogger and keyboard warrior. However, these three were no over-imaginative Chicken Littles. All these “dissident UFO buffs” had been saying the emperor had no clothes, and in time, they were proven right. </span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"></span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">In our closing exchange with James Carrion, he expressed the opinion that since the cat is out of the bag about BAASS and MUFON, maybe those involved will no longer be bound by their NDAs. If nothing else, we now have more pieces of the puzzle, and it’s a foundation to build on. We hope it goes much further still; that all parties involved - from the contractors, the technical paper authors, to the US government itself - will open up and end the protracted drama about the secrecy surrounding AATIP. The ultimate goal is to clean away the debris and proceed with clarity. That would be a good first step towards chipping away at some secrets that really matter.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">This and the preceding article was put together drawing from a great many sources. In the link below, we’ve gathered the primary documentation into a PDF, which includes the two BAASS-MUFON contracts, leaked emails, other documents, and four of the MUFON Advanced Technology Establishment papers produced for BAASS.</span><br />
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Special thanks to Clas Svahn, Isaac Koi, Keith Basterfield, Sarah Scoles, Tim McMillan, Jack Brewer, for research, materials, documents, advice and fact-checking. And to “David Vincent,” and “Claude Lacombe,” without whom none of this would have been possible. </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Freedom of Information Act Requests have not yet produced any material of substance on AATIP, in part because of the “commercial in confidence” nature of the AAWSAP contract with BAASS. Most of the other sources remain bound by NDAs relating to long-dead projects, but journalists such as George Knapp and Tim McMillan have presented documents from unnamed anonymous sources relating to the Pentagon’s AATIP study. In our report, we’ve depended chiefly on items of demonstrable provenance, but also have referenced a dossier of BAASS-MUFON documents from a confidential, but verified source. Some of the material used in this story references previous leaks of BAASS-MUFON documents.</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">MUFON’s SIP training materials. Archived page:</span></div>
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<span class="s5" style="font-kerning: none; text-decoration-line: underline;"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090306142321/https://www.mufon.com/MUFONSIP.htm" target="_blank">MUFON STAR Impact Project (SIP) Information Page</a></span><span class="s7" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">, March 5, 2009</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Keith Basterfield, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - scientific research, </span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">an invaluable resource on the AATIP saga: <a href="https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/search?q=baass"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">BAASS articles</span></a></span></div>
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<span class="s7" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">Jack Brewer, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1519579616/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tpbk_p1_i0" target="_blank"><span class="s12" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); font-kerning: none;">The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community</span></a>, Dec. 16, 2015</span></div>
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<span class="s7" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">Jack Brewer, “<a href="http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2017/12/ufo-pentagon-story-reflects-fundamental.html" target="_blank"><span class="s12" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); font-kerning: none;">UFO-Pentagon Story Reflects Fundamental Problems</span></a>,” Dec. 20, 2017</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">James Carrion, “<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140821235057/http://followthemagicthread.blogspot.com/2011/01/strange-bedfellows.html" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">Strange Bedfellows</span></a>,” Jan. 31, 2011<br />Also, see Carrion’s article, “<a href="https://www.theufochronicles.com/2018/10/what-is-really-happening-at-skinwalker-ranch.html" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">What is Really Happening at the Skinwalker Ranch?</span></a>” from Feb. 8, 2011, where he discusses “uncovering disturbing information about the Skinwalker Ranch owned by Robert Bigelow [and] began to have doubts about the real purpose behind the MUFON-BAASS project.”</span></div>
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<span class="s7" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">Curt Collins, “<a href="https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2017/12/ufos-media-military-dreams-of-discovery.html" target="_blank"><span class="s12" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); font-kerning: none;">UFOs, the Media, the Military & Dreams of Discovery</span></a>,” Dec. 27, 2017</span></div>
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<span class="s7" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: black; font-kerning: none;">Elaine Douglass, “<a href="https://www.ufodigest.com/article/the-gagged-for-life-star-team-confidentiality-agreement/"><span class="s12" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); font-kerning: none;">The Gagged-for-life Star Team Confidentiality Agreement</span></a>”, May 12, 2011</span></div>
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<span class="s10" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none; text-decoration-line: underline;"><a href="http://files.afu.se/Downloads/Documents/0%20-%20UFO%20Researchers/Elaine%20Douglass/Elaine%20Douglass%20files.pdf">The Elaine Douglass Files</a></span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"> includes a dossier on Bigelow and his UFO-related activity. </span></div>
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<span class="s10" style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(18, 85, 204); color: #021eaa; font-kerning: none; text-decoration-line: underline;"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140103010425/http://reformmufon.org/">The Committee to Reform MUFON</a></span><span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;"> (defunct, last archived Jan. 3, 2014)</span></div>
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<span class="s1" style="font-kerning: none;">Richard Lang, “<a href="https://www.theufochronicles.com/2011/03/what-caused-failure-of-baass-mufon-sip.html" target="_blank"><span class="s2" style="color: #021eaa; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">What caused the Failure of the BAASS - MUFON SIP Program?</span></a>,” March 6, 2011. “During the period from February 2009 until the end of January 2010, I served as the STAR Team Manager and SIP Project Coordinator.”</span></div>
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