tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post2895826357792890140..comments2024-01-22T18:18:17.236-06:00Comments on Blue Blurry Lines: The Cash-Landrum UFO Prime Suspect: The CH-47, Army ChinookCurt Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-23159672356677137072017-12-22T17:03:57.453-06:002017-12-22T17:03:57.453-06:00Ha "be erroneous." Again, time to look a...Ha "be erroneous." Again, time to look at CIA fronts and their helicopters.fact275https://www.blogger.com/profile/05642335956025574804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-82304536444373396222017-12-19T09:23:18.212-06:002017-12-19T09:23:18.212-06:00Betty's number was 23, but the witnesses' ...Betty's number was 23, but the witnesses' count varied. When Vickie was asked if she was sure of the number, she said maybe some were counted twice, but insisted there were at least a dozen- and that that there were at least two different types of helicopters. In a 1985 (unpublished) interview, Vickie said as they were returning home to Dayton (twenty minutes or more after the initial sighting) they saw even more helicopters coming in, and she estimated that might bring the total to 40 or more.<br /><br />Yes, there's good reason to think that "the count of 23 must erroneous."Curt Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-67595534244935124632017-12-18T23:02:35.369-06:002017-12-18T23:02:35.369-06:00Curt, I've mentioned before as others here hav...Curt, I've mentioned before as others here have now, that the count of 23 must erroneous. A few helicopters circling could give panicked witnesses the impression of a larger fleet. Also, you should consider "private" air carriers funded by the CIA who are not subject to FOIA. CH-46 and CH-47 had civilian models, that while not widespread, were in use worldwide.fact275https://www.blogger.com/profile/05642335956025574804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-56945350866446590662017-09-23T14:57:40.737-05:002017-09-23T14:57:40.737-05:00"It could be more like mental projection, wit..."It could be more like mental projection, with the advanced civilization transmitting the images telepathically. The helicopters may have been in the witnesses' minds."<br /><br />That's what I'd intended by "Oz" not the Bill English proposal. Perhaps my usage is mistaken, and if so, sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-59399221208072324812017-09-20T11:27:33.791-05:002017-09-20T11:27:33.791-05:00Again, the testimony of the 7 year-old is highly q...Again, the testimony of the 7 year-old is highly questionable. Be honest, as an adult how accurate is your memory of events that occurred when you were 7 years-old, even major events experienced firsthand? Childhood memories often are heavily influenced by the stories about an event told and re-told by parents and other adults over time. I strongly doubt he has an accurate memory of counting helicopters but rather confabulated it from what was repeatedly said over the years by the adults he accompanied in their attempts to get restitution from the government.<br /><br />I'm going to make a prediction. Nobody will ever identify those helicopters nor where they came from because a "fleet" of helicopters never existed. There were helicopters, but not 23. Given the fragility of all human psyches in times of extreme stress, if counting was done it’s unlikely it was done accurately, especially by two God-fearing women who initially thought it might be the end of the world or the Second Coming.<br /><br />This is one of Ufology's major problems and a huge weakness. It never wants to take into account the emotional state and pre-existing beliefs of the witness and how those might have distorted perception, interpretation, and memory of an event. Ufology also remains in stasis when it comes to recognizing psychological research that’s been done in the past 20-plus years, choosing to ignore all the studies that have demonstrated rather conclusively that human memory is indeed a very fallible thing that begins morphing immediately after an event. Rather than being an accurate record, human memory has shown itself to be a trickster. <br />purrlgurrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06519835482606629362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-89520830929796685872017-09-20T10:05:57.611-05:002017-09-20T10:05:57.611-05:00The Sea Knights were part of the "New Orleans...The Sea Knights were part of the "New Orleans" scenario. Oz? Maybe so. I didn't mention it in the article, but some ufologist like Bill English proposed that it was a fleet of UFOs disguised as helicopters. Oh boy.Curt Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-72928120947316492962017-09-20T09:51:03.631-05:002017-09-20T09:51:03.631-05:00Well, if you want to perform "due diligence&q...Well, if you want to perform "due diligence" on the helicopter issue, I've never ever seen anyone even mention the CH 46 Sea Knight, that are likewise double rotor, and that were used by the USMC, not the Army. That would mean checking to see if any unit of CH 46s was in Texas. Actually I was still stationed at NAS Dallas in 1980 where we had CH 53 Sea Stallions, but they are single rotor. In any case, getting many helos in the air at one time is a BIG deal, so I tend to go along with the "Oz" factor of seeing things that external forces were influencing the witnesses to see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-41169924124468607292017-09-19T18:33:21.362-05:002017-09-19T18:33:21.362-05:00Curt,
Not to drag it out but I find that logic fa...Curt,<br /><br />Not to drag it out but I find that logic faulty. It's the reason I brought up the documented physical injuries / illnesses sustained. If there was exposure to some sort of chemical involved, this could clearly alter perception, up to and including the number of helicopters. Also WADR from what we have learned about the Bin Laden raid, stealth helicopters exist. Who knows, but perhaps there were prototype versions back then. Understandably different models but still...Would'nt want to throw the UFO out with the helicopters.Dare_Devilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07675663555185479150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-5989423303418964872017-09-19T17:39:39.524-05:002017-09-19T17:39:39.524-05:00Right, but the witnesses were more specific about ...Right, but the witnesses were more specific about the details of counting the helicopters than they were about other parts of the story. If we toss that out, there's not much reason to hang on to anything else they said.Curt Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-30573296556082750262017-09-19T17:01:55.207-05:002017-09-19T17:01:55.207-05:00We had three witnesses in a high state of panic an...We had three witnesses in a high state of panic and fear. I think it's highly likely that none of them actually counted helicopters at the time of the sighting. There may have been only a couple that were circling and in a state of excitement the witnesses thought they saw a whole fleet as the helicopters kept coming around. I think the 23 helicopters is an after-the-fact confabulation based on a real memory of a few helicopters circling the craft or the area. So much recent psychological research has demonstrated that memory is fungible not fixed, and it begins eroding immediately after an event. Since one of the witnesses was a 7 year-old hiding on the floor of a car for most of the time, I think his helicopter testimony can be discarded as simply parroting the adults, not corroboration.<br /><br />It's entirely possible this was a test by a private sector contractor and the helicopters were not military but civilian, belonging to the contractor. Since information on this would be held in the private sector (and likely not released for reasons of legal liability), we'll probably never be able to identify the contractor or what was being tested. The Cash-Landrum sighting will remain an unknown, not because aliens were involved, but because given all the mergers and acquisitions in the defense industry in the ensuing interval, the contractor likely is no longer in business as an independent entity and many of its records were lost or discarded.<br />purrlgurrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06519835482606629362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-12297838156600443982017-09-19T14:12:59.676-05:002017-09-19T14:12:59.676-05:00The best evidence is the original diagnosis, but a...The best evidence is the original diagnosis, but all we have are summaries by people who've read it. Dr. Rank accepted Schuessler’s premise of UFO injury, but could not define it:<br />“The conclusion I can make so far is that radiation damage occurred, type unknown, probably limited in severity, without evidence of systemic involvement.”<br /><br />Allan Hendry’s report summarizes Dr. Rank’s assessment of the original records:<br />“All tests performed (white blood cell counts, eye examination, skin tests, a biopsy, etc.) showed nothing.”<br /><br />I'll try to gather a more thorough examination of the medical data in a future report.<br />Curt Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-79539645428800493952017-09-19T14:01:38.651-05:002017-09-19T14:01:38.651-05:00It appears from a reading that chemical exposure w...It appears from a reading that chemical exposure was posited at the time. The review of the records by an outside radiologist does suggest possible cutaneous exposure to ionizing radiation. Is this not the case ?Dare_Devilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07675663555185479150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-47622575280834547202017-09-19T13:46:47.265-05:002017-09-19T13:46:47.265-05:00Be sure to read:
Analysis of Betty Cash's Medi...Be sure to read:<br />Analysis of Betty Cash's Medical Records, Peter Rank, M.D. letter to John Schuessler ("complete summary report" of medical data) 4/29/1981 (5 pages). PDF pages 3-7<br />https://app.box.com/s/zvelar3gubgiee5zwgi3<br />The summary of original diagnosis does not include radiation injuries.Curt Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-40669498093456192582017-09-19T13:41:55.235-05:002017-09-19T13:41:55.235-05:00Projections don't usually produce radiation bu...Projections don't usually produce radiation burns they? Didn't think so.<br />Dare_Devilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07675663555185479150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1071963771262525979.post-46589362244048302252017-09-17T09:01:21.070-05:002017-09-17T09:01:21.070-05:00Testing the comments function. Google+ has been tu...Testing the comments function. Google+ has been turned off.Curt Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.com